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I look at it this way. Only a few compounds truly need testing from decent sources, Primo, var, hgh and the likes. Test E \C, deca, eq are pretty evident in their actions, same with dbol, drol,
tacohuman said:
labmax is subjective and held hostage by the competence of the tester and/or the accuracy of the camera. Its a useful tool, but results really need to be compared to one another for decent effectiveness. Mass spec doesn't have this weakness, but is prohibitive due to cost as well as availability.

Saying labmax was "proven wrong" is really an attack on the tester and not the tool. You can't say a hammer is broken because it won't turn a screw.
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Hey, if you would rather use a broken hammer than a screwdriver to turn a screw, by all means , have at it. The cost difference between the two aren't that different and the reliability is light years. If you read labmax it states ''presumptive tests only'', follow the natural trail and it is confirmed with a mass spec.
Im not sellin anything here, if you guys think you're gettin what ya need, ok with me . Carry on
 
clamz said:
I was wondering if any of you guys were following the mass speec controversy. if not. it seems to be a strong possibility that the guy over at eroids may have been a bit misleading about the mass spec testing. wether willingly or not, it seems that all those tests have been wildly erroneous. aat first i thought it was a few scorned srcs and fanboys but the more its being looked into the more its unraveling. even when i read up on it, the electrospray ms, is not the preferred method, and may not even be a possible gauge of purity and definetly not of concentration. it neeeds to. be donee by gas chrom ms to be accurate, and he doesn't use that method. i just bring this up to say maybe we shouldn't send this guy anymore money until its cleared up, i sent $150 the week before it. started and i feel some. kinfd of way about it. i sent power and md test e that i brewed.. anyway don't take my word, best to do research and form an opinion but i lose faith everyday, and think i may have been had here.
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There is a very interesting thread there on this very subject unless the ''owner/sponsor'' deleted it already. A tech was dissecting the test being used and getting shelled for it. He noted it was the wrong type of test. You have to have the correct machine to test with. Example: The company I gave the link to states openly it's machines cannot accurately test HGH, the molecules are too big for it.

You wouldn't happen to have a link to what you're reading you could pm me Clamz?
 
clamz said:
I was wondering if any of you guys were following the mass speec controversy. if not. it seems to be a strong possibility that the guy over at eroids may have been a bit misleading about the mass spec testing. wether willingly or not, it seems that all those tests have been wildly erroneous.
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I know that there is some guy on eroids doing testing. I have seen so many lab results around to find out later that they were faked.

You might be paying $150 for worthless tests, never done.
 
mercury said:
I know that there is some guy on eroids doing testing. I have seen so many lab results around to find out later that they were faked.

You might be paying $150 for worthless tests, never done.
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It will be interesting to see the what comes of the discussion, and to find out out just how accurate the mass spec tests are. It looks like 2 SRC's and one mod are the main ones calling bullshit on the mass specs, but there are plenty that think they are legit. I think we'll find out that they are correct, give or take 10% on purity and concentration.

This was the test that found the MJR caber was not caber
This was the test that found GR's normas to be 4% purity and 50/mg per ml concentration.
There have been a few SRC's raws that came back 100% purity, and plenty of raws that came back crappy that were not posted on the site, and not used by the SRC.
I've yet to see any mass specs posted that differed drastically from what users were reporting, except for one bloodwork posted on GR's normas.
There is one guy in the discussion that goes by Labrat, he's the only one that really seems to understand the stuff. All the others are just trying to figure it out, even Angus admits he's just passing along the results he gets back from his lab guy.
They are having a "lab challenge" now, unlabeled samples of the same stuff sent to Angus, Alin, and a 3rd independant. We'll see the big picture soon, I hope.
 
Burrr said:
This was the test that found GR's normas to be 4% purity and 50/mg per ml concentration.
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those numbers do not make sense

if your 100 mg sample is 4% pure then it contains 4 mg
10 ml would contain 2000 mg of test

if it is 4% pure then in contains 8 mg of test in 10 ml vial

the math is wrong, I do not know that they are talking like some student trying to run GC/MS but has no clue.

I cannot take those results serious.
 
4leafclover said:
I wish myth was still going to conduct these... Too bad...


BRING BACK MYTH!
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myth was the one who had the tests conducted that are in question.... I don't think myth was in on some grand conspiracy- but the guy angus doing the mass spec is about as trustworthy as casey anthony babysitting your kids.
 
Well it just seems like since he stopped doing them we aren't getting any information except labmax. Which although useful, has it's limitations. Hopefully Millard can lock down a lab.
 
4leafclover said:
Well it just seems like since he stopped doing them we aren't getting any information except labmax. Which although useful, has it's limitations. Hopefully Millard can lock down a lab.
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I am impressed with how quickly standards have been raised.... labmax was gospel a few months ago and now we need more... good to know people care as much as they do.

I never found a four leaf clover and it fucking pisses me off.
 
I found one, once, with my wife. They grow (clovers) in front of one of my houses, and one year we had a huge 4 leaf one. I was also thinking, it happened because I'm Irish. Since we have such good luck and all :rolleyes:
 
4leafclover said:
I found one, once, with my wife. They grow (clovers) in front of one of my houses, and one year we had a huge 4 leaf one. I was also thinking, it happened because I'm Irish. Since we have such good luck and all :rolleyes:
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depends on what period of time.... being 1/4 irish I know that the irish people are usually being suppressed or were starving to death... they just put a happy face on it- and forget about their formative years when immigrating to new york. the luck seems to be more talked about than actually apparent in their history.
 
I've gotten great gear and great advice from eroids, the forum is not to blame for any of this.
The purity is calculated by identify the steroid, the carrier oil, BA and BB, whatever is left is considered an impurity.
The test on the GR normas suggests that there were huge amounts of impurities, although they were not identified.
When the guy from Eroids does mass specs that say the GR normas were bunk there was no one calling bullshit because of the eroids factor. All of the mass specs that myth had done were done by a poster on eroids. He's also a member on meso.
It's hard to judge character from a steroid forum, but based off of what I've seen from both myth and angus, I think they are both stand up guys.
The mods, src's and users of eroids are working to uncover the truth. There is no eroids conspiracy, everyone wants a legit mass spec test to be available.
 
It is weird how once someone is provided a means to information on something how they crave to have more of that info. Lab max opened doors that people thought were closed. Although people in the know could get things mass spec'd there was no test for the little guy with no connections. Lab max allowed the common man to test his vial and have an answer on whether he was completely ripped off or actually had some hormones present.

Once learning the first piece of the testing it now becomes the objective of how much hormone is present. It is simple human behavior to want more. Lab max is definitely a topic of complete hatred among the inner circles of the scamming circuit I am sure. This simple tool is now setting fire across this community. As with all things someone or some more companies will start providing the asked for abilities to mass spec again. Where money is to be made , the people to make it will come. Supply and demand that is all.

I found the only four leaf clove in the pen in Bonifay, Fl on compound three about three months before my release date. Two days later I lost half my good time on a write up for dipping in the dorm. Florida is 85 percent so on my 36 month sentence it was only like 60 days but I lost all my faith in the four leaf clover for sure lol


brutus79 said:
I am impressed with how quickly standards have been raised.... labmax was gospel a few months ago and now we need more... good to know people care as much as they do.

I never found a four leaf clover and it fucking pisses me off.
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whodatnation said:
. Lab max allowed the common man to test his vial and have an answer on whether he was completely ripped off or actually had some hormones present.
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I remember old days when I was posting pictures and asking everybody, I could never get any good answer. Since labmax I do not this anymore, I am founding good gear and I am not feeding scammers anymore.

I have seen on paid forums that scammers try to discredit labmax but as more people use it and trust it scammers are having hard time.
 
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