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I never relied on labmax, I'm a psychology major, and I studied psycho-pharmacology (the effects of substances on the brain), so I've known how to read mass specs for a long time. It has helped me spot fakes and stay away from "bad" gear for the most part. I've been reading mass specs for steroids for several years now, I thought labmax could be easily fooled through purity of compound (I.E. Underdosed) and I want to stay away from underdosed just as badly as I want to stay away from "mislabeled" gear. Also, with research grade mass specs, you also get to see bacteria content (infection anyone?).

Although labmax has been helpful in identifying new UGL's for potential use, I used to rely on 3rd party research articles of underground steroids, or labs that were known to sell internationally due to less stricter internal country laws through a 3rd party to the US. Not to say I haven't been scammed, because you can still purchase gear that is counterfeited. But I greatly diminished those odds through my own research, which I guess is what labmax can do for people who don't know how to read research papers... But by that point, you're already invested in the gear.

I was fooled once by GP, because they used to run a fairly legit operation, got some terrible Dbol from them not too long ago, and I won't touch them again. I still have some PCT from them, which is about all I would venture to use...
 
I'M not sure, i got money in it so id love to see angus come out on top. i don't believe he will tho. I'm sure whatever method he's using can detect whether it contains a hormone, i no longer bellieve he can accuretly quantify purity or concentration. imagine this as an example, anyone could buy a labmax kit, test for hormone and based. off that nnegative or positive just take a guess. google imagge search and photoshop can mske any kind of ms graph you want, there are thousands of ms graph examples
imnot saying he's doing that, but all these boards are here first and foremost to protect us. i think we should be asking these questions. i seen one on stealth satchels at 13% purity, once it was sent to a certified lab it csme back in the 90% range.. i got thee same lot# normas from teexgear and counterfeit. orr not they were way better than 4%. That is only my opinion and experience and that of a few friends, i have no tests to back me. i am not sticking up for any tester,source or board but we all protect eachother. sometimes we gotta protect eachother from eachother, i took those tests as religion and iin hindsight, i shouldn't have treated the 2 testers any different than i would a source. not only am i sending money on blind faith but those tests helped dictate. what i put in my body.
 
Burrr said:
I've gotten great gear and great advice from eroids, the forum is not to blame for any of this.
The purity is calculated by identify the steroid, the carrier oil, BA and BB, whatever is left is considered an impurity.
The test on the GR normas suggests that there were huge amounts of impurities, although they were not identified.
When the guy from Eroids does mass specs that say the GR normas were bunk there was no one calling bullshit because of the eroids factor. All of the mass specs that myth had done were done by a poster on eroids. He's also a member on meso.
It's hard to judge character from a steroid forum, but based off of what I've seen from both myth and angus, I think they are both stand up guys.
The mods, src's and users of eroids are working to uncover the truth. There is no eroids conspiracy, everyone wants a legit mass spec test to be available.
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One of the reasons i decided to trust angus was that he was soo trusted in the community. in the last ebc he won 1st place which nnetted him roughly $5000 in free prize gear. he deeclinned it znd said split it evenly to the 5-10th place contestants. I am hsving a hhard time picturing him in a scam, but there'd were really no checks and balances to his testing so a lot could have gone wrong.
 
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Burrr said:
I've gotten great gear and great advice from eroids, the forum is not to blame for any of this.
The purity is calculated by identify the steroid, the carrier oil, BA and BB, whatever is left is considered an impurity.
The test on the GR normas suggests that there were huge amounts of impurities, although they were not identified.
When the guy from Eroids does mass specs that say the GR normas were bunk there was no one calling bullshit because of the eroids factor. All of the mass specs that myth had done were done by a poster on eroids. He's also a member on meso.
It's hard to judge character from a steroid forum, but based off of what I've seen from both myth and angus, I think they are both stand up guys.
The mods, src's and users of eroids are working to uncover the truth. There is no eroids conspiracy, everyone wants a legit mass spec test to be available.
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I saw there Naps had a bunch of gear tested. You have any results or info on how they turned out? That would tell much imo. The red flag 1st off is eroids 2nd a $60 mass spec test? IMO it seems like a great way to grab new desperate buyers attention and money. $60 isn't enough to totally scare you off and low enough to say ''ahh wth , it's worth it'' What Head of Mass Spec testing at a ''REspected University'' would do a test for that? That also means the guys taking your money would be doing it for free or out of the kindness of their hearts.. Yea..OK. Think about it gents. I have no dog in this other than utterly hating scammers
 
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Now its easy to see the red flags. but when your just coming up n learning it doesn't seem unreasonable. I've gotten a lot out of eroids, this is tthe first time i may have been ripped off on that board at all and that's at over 30 orders from their lists. never been beat on gear, the trick is being around and learning whose reviews and opinions to trust, there are many good guys with credibility and you learn from theitr experiences. When you do it that way the only risk of being beat is if a src gets bad raws or if they decide to dip completely and run, which is just a fairly rare piece of bad luck over there.
 
If you have this knowledge and are still able to use it , why don't you pass it along? I am a self educated man. Never made it to college or past the ninth grade for that matter but I learn fast. Are these mass spec's available online and can you shed a little light on how to properly read one?



4leafclover said:
I never relied on labmax, I'm a psychology major, and I studied psycho-pharmacology (the effects of substances on the brain), so I've known how to read mass specs for a long time. It has helped me spot fakes and stay away from "bad" gear for the most part. I've been reading mass specs for steroids for several years now, I thought labmax could be easily fooled through purity of compound (I.E. Underdosed) and I want to stay away from underdosed just as badly as I want to stay away from "mislabeled" gear. Also, with research grade mass specs, you also get to see bacteria content (infection anyone?).

Although labmax has been helpful in identifying new UGL's for potential use, I used to rely on 3rd party research articles of underground steroids, or labs that were known to sell internationally due to less stricter internal country laws through a 3rd party to the US. Not to say I haven't been scammed, because you can still purchase gear that is counterfeited. But I greatly diminished those odds through my own research, which I guess is what labmax can do for people who don't know how to read research papers... But by that point, you're already invested in the gear.

I was fooled once by GP, because they used to run a fairly legit operation, got some terrible Dbol from them not too long ago, and I won't touch them again. I still have some PCT from them, which is about all I would venture to use...
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I don't get it, these are ass spec tests but they can't identify the compounds or impurities ? This is supposedly The Head of ' Mass Spec.'' Testing at a Prestigious University himself conducting these tests, he can't access chemspider for comparisons ? Sorry guys I was skeptical, now it's laughable
 
Unless you have the impurity on file you can't identify it. Even then the impurity could be impure. If you do have it on file, you usually have to do a 1v1 comparison. Finding the right one could take hours.

Do you know how these tests work? You talk alot, but you dont seem to understand the basics, you just seem hugely anti-mass spec.
The tests myth did should have been sufficient to identify what it did, no more no less. I haven't looked at any of naps or angus' tests because I don't care.
 
tacohuman said:
Unless you have the impurity on file you can't identify it. Even then the impurity could be impure. If you do have it on file, you usually have to do a 1v1 comparison. Finding the right one could take hours.

Do you know how these tests work? You talk alot, but you dont seem to understand the basics, you just seem hugely anti-mass spec.
The tests myth did should have been sufficient to identify what it did, no more no less. I haven't looked at any of naps or angus' tests because I don't care.
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I promised to do an analysis and "dummies guide" to at least one of the spectra that has been posted. My apologies to all, I have been buried by work, but should be able to do so tomorrow night. If the conclusion is not readily extracted from the data presented, then the spectra are, at a minimum, problematic and incomplete.

Edit - that being said, I have no reason to believe the results are anything but legitimate.
 
lightspan said:
I promised to do an analysis and "dummies guide" to at least one of the spectra that has been posted. My apologies to all, I have been buried by work, but should be able to do so tomorrow night. If the conclusion is not readily extracted from the data presented, then the spectra are, at a minimum, problematic and incomplete.

Edit - that being said, I have no reason to believe the results are anything but legitimate.
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I want them to be real more than anyone but because i want them to be isn't enough anymore. he can identify which oils have hormonne in them but every test I've seen someone else do to compare to his has shown inaccuracies. i realize that is no definitive proof but he also shows no real proof other then graphs that could come. from anywhere. They were going to. do blind comparison teste but i think they scrapped the idea.
 
tacohuman said:
Unless you have the impurity on file you can't identify it. Even then the impurity could be impure. If you do have it on file, you usually have to do a 1v1 comparison. Finding the right one could take hours.

Do you know how these tests work? You talk alot, but you dont seem to understand the basics, you just seem hugely anti-mass spec.
The tests myth did should have been sufficient to identify what it did, no more no less. I haven't looked at any of naps or angus' tests because I don't care.
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Do you know what Chemspider is? Do you not think the Head of Mass Spec. Testing at a Prestigious University wouldn't have access to these files?
I'm not anti testing, I'm anti parting noobs from there cash. Go ahead and keep faith, doesn't make a difference to me.
What ever, carry on good luck with eroids and the rest. No wonder ALP bailed. Lightspan , you may or may not be legit who knows, but you guys have a shit ton to learn. ALP comes here and you idiots chase him off, Mike Strong, who has been in the game longer than most of you have been alive and you throw rocks at him> lmao. Good luck guys, you'll need it. I'm out
 
Not going to delete but my reading comprehension was off. ALP bailed from eroids and I didn't catch that. Sorry granitman guess my total sickness over ALP not staying here took over :)

Karius wasn't run off from here granitman because he was welcomed with open arms. There was just a non compliance issue with the editing of his thread that he didn't like.

You know from ab that he edits his thread and updates stock and was not allowed to do that here and actually said he was coming back at one point but didn't.

Karius's thread stayed alive for a month from people asking if he was coming back so he definitely wasn't run away from here.

Also I don't know who is right or wrong on these mass spec deals but anyone wanting to shed light and knowledge on how to properly read them ,please do so. I would love nothing more then to be able to discern who is right or wrong with an informed outlook.

graniteman said:
Do you know what Chemspider is? Do you not think the Head of Mass Spec. Testing at a Prestigious University wouldn't have access to these files?
I'm not anti testing, I'm anti parting noobs from there cash. Go ahead and keep faith, doesn't make a difference to me.
What ever, carry on good luck with eroids and the rest. No wonder ALP bailed. Lightspan , you may or may not be legit who knows, but you guys have a shit ton to learn. ALP comes here and you idiots chase him off, Mike Strong, who has been in the game longer than most of you have been alive and you throw rocks at him> lmao. Good luck guys, you'll need it. I'm out
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graniteman said:
...but you guys have a shit ton to learn. ALP comes here and you idiots chase him off, Mike Strong, who has been in the game longer than most of you have been alive and you throw rocks at him> lmao. Good luck guys, you'll need it. I'm out
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Granite, where in the fuck are you getting that anybody here chased Karius off? Millard's forum rules here prohibit anyone from having the ability to edit/delete posts after 15 mins, and Karius continually edits his posts, so this boards set up doesn't jive with how K runs things. Which is fine, no hard feelings. But no one ran him off - what are you talking about?

And what do you mean we threw rocks at Mike? Yes, some members were aggressive in how they went at Mikestrong when he first came - it is their right to do so on an uncensored board. You seem hurt by this - more hurt than Mike was. He rolled with it, and stood up to it like a man - he didn't run away or declare himself "out". If you'll go back and read, you'll see plenty of us stood up for Mike and stated positive things about his background from the very start.

I don't get why you are so hostile. Are you, or were you, affiliated with someone, or some source, who flamed out here? If not, then I really do not understand your anger towards Meso - or am I misunderstanding your post?
 
You did what I did Bickel. You misunderstood. Alp went to Eroids a little while back but his stay there did not last long and that was what granite was referring to.

The thing that screwed up the Mikestrong return was the fact his membership was restarted. While the thread started out wrong Mike showed just how good of a guy he is by taking it in stride and completely understanding that all we are doing is protecting people from getting scammed. I am actually glad he came. He comes off as a really genuine person.
 
4leafclover said:
I never relied on labmax, I'm a psychology major, and I studied psycho-pharmacology (the effects of substances on the brain), so I've known how to read mass specs for a long time. It has helped me spot fakes and stay away from "bad" gear for the most part.
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you are guys talking like there is mass spec on each corner for free. I have been emailing labs for the last 10 or more years. No single positive reply. LE went after labs doing steroids testing and no lab will talk to you

I do not know anything about angus on eroids but I would like to find if he is really doing honest testing for people or maybe trying to promote some specific labs.

Having the opportunity to test at home with labmax and see results with your own eye is a real game changer.
 
mercury said:
you are guys talking like there is mass spec on each corner for free. I have been emailing labs for the last 10 or more years. No single positive reply. LE went after labs doing steroids testing and no lab will talk to you

I do not know anything about angus on eroids but I would like to find if he is really doing honest testing for people or maybe trying to promote some specific labs.

Having the opportunity to test at home with labmax and see results with your own eye is a real game changer.
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I feel like there is a labmax rep on every corner... but its just you.
 
Here is a pretty good lecture that goes over 3 different types of mass spec. It's long, so be prepared for a sit. It also assumes a basic understanding of chemistry.




whodatnation said:
If you have this knowledge and are still able to use it , why don't you pass it along? I am a self educated man. Never made it to college or past the ninth grade for that matter but I learn fast. Are these mass spec's available online and can you shed a little light on how to properly read one?
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