Mass Spec Thread

[whodatnation]

Chain of custody will definitely be a hard pressed item to get by but I think you go back to pillars of the community . Those guys that everyone knows their integrity is untouchable by a dollar bill and who the community trust. With this though it starts here within Meso and then another boards top guys get into and then the domino starts falling. It is an idea now and hopefully as a community we take this somewhere.

I agree with bitcoin being the trade for money and hopefully it's days of serious volatility are over,

 

[TheGuy85]

I am as white as it gets and you can't tell me anything along the lines that I got preferential treatment because I was white. I have two felonies and I served six years. Hell my first stint was for selling weed and ecstasy. The second for a damn bar fight in Jax Beach. It isn't set against race but it is set up against the poor. And at that time I was poor and couldn't afford a lawyer so I had a public defendant who had over 1,000 cases and all she wanted to do was take a plea bargain and threaten me with max sentences if I took it to trial. It is the exact same reason why you see a complete disassociation of the American middle class. This class is almost to the brink of extinction because there is no difference in jobs and their pay scales. Hell you flip burgers at Mickey D's now and make 12 dollar an hour.As long as you believe the hate propaganda that the media uses to control the masses you will miss out on what is really happening in America. Off my soap box now

You could have a good lawyer and still get rocked if your the dope man. It's not about how much money you got anymore, it's all about who you can rat on apparently. Snitches were getting sentenced below the minimum mandatory sentencing guidelines when mms sentences were in place (not sure how that's all playing out now). Prosecutor drops charge down to lesser felony if the rat cooperates. That in itself is morally corrupt. What happened to justice being blind. They fucking can rat on friends and family and keep pushing dope as long as they keep helping make busts, that is until someone hopefully puts a bullet in their face.

In the U.S. justice system, criminals are punished more severely for going to trial (it's your right, isn't it? A fair trial?) and rewarded with lighter sentences for selling people out. Pretty fucked up justice system.

 

[Millard]

Chain of custody will definitely be a hard pressed item to get by but I think you go back to pillars of the community . Those guys that everyone knows their integrity is untouchable by a dollar bill and who the community trust. With this though it starts here within Meso and then another boards top guys get into and then the domino starts falling. It is an idea now and hopefully as a community we take this somewhere.

You would be surprised what can happen to someone whose "integrity is untouchable" after the UGLs and their shills, their vets, their mods, their admins in the community are done with them. What happened to @MythotiK is only the very beginning of the assault. These guys need to be protected from this backlash.

The MESO community may firmly stand behind them. But the success of a testing program is one that has an impact well-beyond our tight-knit community. An internal testing program for MESO members would be great but to truly make the dominoes fall, we need a program that takes care of the chain of custody with checks/balances that make it practically impossible to discredit.

 

[whodatnation]

I agree with you Millard that eventually you will even go further than what you stated above. It will make it back to the beginning and that is at the raw stage. So whatever endeavor we embark on the reality is that not only is this game changing but could be life changing for those on the front lines. But for now we will start with Meso and what we have in front of us to keep the small time scammers from preying on our beloved board. Off to work

 

[bickel29]

Whodat, Millard, Lightspan, Theguy, Ulfhednainn, etc thanks for the passionate and thoughtful posts over night. While we all support and thank Myth, it is important that we continue to challenge ourselves to find ways to 'move the ball forward' on this.

We have a lot of smart people here - hopefully we can pool our resources together and find a way to make it happen.

 

[bickel29]

I agree with you Millard that eventually you will even go further than what you stated above. It will make it back to the beginning and that is at the raw stage. So whatever endeavor we embark on the reality is that not only is this game changing but could be life changing for those on the front lines. But for now we will start with Meso and what we have in front of us to keep the small time scammers from preying on our beloved board. Off to work

Off to work, Whodat? Sleep deprivation and pain "management" - hope you're not operating any heavy machinery?!

 

[whodatnation]

I'm actually a nccco operator by trade lol. But I've climbed the ladder and I'm a project manager within a crane rental company. I'm currently on admin duties in the office. It's quite amazing that the same passion I put into selling drugs and being a young punk once I focused those energies in the right direction a whole new world opened for me. Damn good guess though bickel. There isn't any sleep for me until I have this surgery. I doze off but I'm always awakened by pain

Off to work, Whodat? Sleep deprivation and pain "management" - hope you're not operating any heavy machinery?!

 

[graniteman]

It makes sense, brother, hope you're feeling better.

When I get a chance to come up for air (work is crushing me) I will post the MS guide I mentioned over the weekend, and start making some inquiries about independent labs for testing. It will need to be ex-US, no lab in the states will do it for obvious reasons, but I am almost certain there are CROs either in Eastern Europe, India or China that will do the analyses. We, as a community, can find a solution which will serve the common good. No one, UGL, skeptic, or naysayer, can argue with the results from an independent 3rd party lab. If all (ok many, all is thousands) of us are sending samples for analysis, the finger cannot be pointed at any one of us.

Exactly on point. If you want to shut the naysayers down, you can't have results printed out without a Company header and secrecy surrounding the testing. A Licensed Independent Lab removes all doubt.
Hope it works out for you lightspan

 

[antipcman]

Exactly!! It sucks being any new guy that would want to join but the truth of the matter is these companies will send shill after shill to the front lines and try to discredit from the inside out. I am not saying that my idea is the one we ever use but we must continue thinking outside the box and stay focused on our true agenda , and that is that when I pay for something as a consumer I expect what I pay for to actually be what I get. Don't give me the crap about it being illegal ya da ya da. When I sold coke and ecstasy I didn't fuck people over because I wanted returning customers. Anyone with a brain that dealed or used when they got shorted by the dealer they found a new one. It is one and the same.

The problem is that everybody is plugged in to the matrix. Nobody wants to open their eyes. But most people using PEDs are alpha type A go-getters. If there was a lobbying organization, you'd see waves. Look at the NRA, they're despised by politicians but they get shit done because of lobbying. All it takes is phone calls and money. Everybody would donate.

 

[jayb]

Myth,
Did you end up running mass spec on the naps promo hgh?
If so will you still be posting results?

 

[MythotiK]

Not yet, been so damn busy, plus there are 15+ tests going on now, well not at once...I will soon


-Myth-

 

[jayb]

Thanks myth,

 

[Millard]

The problem is that everybody is plugged in to the matrix. Nobody wants to open their eyes. But most people using PEDs are alpha type A go-getters. If there was a lobbying organization, you'd see waves. Look at the NRA, they're despised by politicians but they get shit done because of lobbying. All it takes is phone calls and money. Everybody would donate.

It's nice to have an optimistic in the house!

 

[brutus79]

The only option is multiple labs doing these mass specs. One lab=no credibility. None. Too much room for doubt- you need labs checking the results of other labs keeping everyone honest.

Case in point- let me show you how to shred the credibility of the testing done thus far.

Who essentially introduced astro with a first log and thread support/vouching for product quality? Myth.

Who essentially put all of astro's major competitors out of business with mass spec testing that COULD just be forms whipped up in photoshop? Myth.

Do we see where a conflict of interest could exist whether it actually does or not? If myth had affiliations or financial interests in astro he just performed an EPIC checkmate of meso business.

If we had another lab or labs to furnish results that mirrored his all that talk would be bullshit.... but instead we have forms with no labname from a lab that tests for eroids.

My point? Stop crying that myth isn't choosing to risk his freedom for peanuts (I know I wouldn't either) and make some fucking connections. Everyone has something to bring to the table- I guarantee it. Bring that instwad of bringing blind faith in any member- which is utterly foolish in my opinion.

 

[Millard]

The only option is multiple labs doing these mass specs. One lab=no credibility. None. Too much room for doubt- you need labs checking the results of other labs keeping everyone honest.

I don't agree. You need one legal, fully-accredited lab. But you need multiple people sending in samples for a given product to keep everyone honest.

 

[brutus79]

I don't agree. You need one legal, fully-accredited lab. But you need multiple people sending in samples for a given product to keep everyone honest.

seems like too much opportunity for corruption. I pay you $150 for a test or $15k to falsify results.... I guess it's that short sighted trust no one street mentality getting in the way.

 

[Millard]

seems like too much opportunity for corruption. I pay you $150 for a test or $15k to falsify results.... I guess it's that short sighted trust no one street mentality getting in the way.

I doubt that fully-accredited, DEA-licensed testing laboratory would conspire with an illicit black market steroid manufacturer to falsify results; accepting a $15k bribe while jeopardizing millions in revenue is a relatively low probability event.

 

[jabrel3]

I know this has been mentioned, but has anyone actually tried contacting ecstasydata.org to see if they would be willing to accept compounds in oil form? The lab is DEA licensed to receive, test, and discard schedule 1 narcotics, so I don't see why this would be a problem for them. I have been debating inquiring about it myself.

 

[brutus79]

I doubt that fully-accredited, DEA-licensed testing laboratory would conspire with an illicit black market steroid manufacturer to falsify results; accepting a $15k bribe while jeopardizing millions in revenue is a relatively low probability event.

but wouldn't there be a similar lack of probability of their testing it in the first place? I wasn't really considering such a place as an option.

 

[Millard]

I know this has been mentioned, but has anyone actually tried contacting ecstasydata.org to see if they would be willing to accept compounds in oil form? The lab is DEA licensed to receive, test, and discard schedule 1 narcotics, so I don't see why this would be a problem for them. I have been debating inquiring about it myself.

I have recently contacted a few DEA-licensed labs, including DDL, exploring different options. If anything comes of it, I will inform everyone.