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[Big Mike]

Ok. Scally says in there to get the best reading do not split the dose. I believe most of us split the dose. We need to get a protocol down. Tile you splitting doses. I have always split doses. Johnny how about you.

If my knowledge serves me correctly, (according to a Bill Llewelyn article) to get the most accurate testosterone reading you should not split doses. The most accurate readings are when your gear is taking all at the same time. The article also stated to test at least 4 weeks in, on the same dosage.


Hope this helps?


Big Mike

 

[Cole]

With all that being said we need more tests!! MS has been here for a minute now and I think tile posted the first bloods.. It's only $45, don't you guys want to see where you're at?? I'm always curious where my numbers are..

This is some real talk right here! I'll be honest when I first started I had no idea of blood test's. (foolish I know) I'm seeing a ton of guys on here that could be posting blood test's.
Yes I know people are saying, I know how my body reacts to good shit and it's happening. There is so much more to it than that though.

 

[Voltrader]

With all that being said we need more tests!! MS has been here for a minute now and I think tile posted the first bloods.. It's only $45, don't you guys want to see where you're at?? I'm always curious where my numbers are..

This right here and my curiosity goes beyond just test and estrogen levels.

 

[tileguy123]

reading through this my jab schedule wasnt that out of whack for testing..

Tues : Test Eth 300mg , Test P 100mg , NPP 100mg

Thur Test P 100mg , NPP 100mg

Fri Test Eth 300mg, blood drawn 2hours latter...

unless im missing something. the TE i shot on Friday didnt even release yet right?

 

[Colt44]

This right here and my curiosity goes beyond just test and estrogen levels.

The price of blood work should be calculated into every cycle. No reason not to do it IMO.

 

[Fckit]

So it sounds like splitting doses is, at least, part of our problem. Folks (such as myself) need a sticky with easy-to-follow instructions so we're all on the same page with testing protocol. We also need to be sure that protocol matches expected results. Problem is, who doesn't split doses?

 

[Cmxer32]

Labs are always a must for me regardless of my knowledge of how my body reacts to certain compounds. They should not be only done to see what your t levels are at but to check the various other factors that reflect the way your body is responding to the gear. I will be starting my ms run next week and will be a big one, test e, test p, tbol, eq at 1.5 g, tne, ending with prop and mast p

 

[Voltrader]

So it sounds like splitting doses is, at least, part of our problem. Folks (such as myself) need a sticky with easy-to-follow instructions so we're all on the same page with testing protocol. We also need to be sure that protocol matches expected results. Problem is, who doesn't split doses?

Since I am on always on test I will switch to test once a week and I will go in three weeks and do blood work following protocol.

 

[Fckit]

Gotcha

 

[Voltrader]

We really need to start a thread and have a few guys different body types and ages run a test only cycle from the Same lab. I would be curious at those results.

 

[mghoward74]

We really need to start a thread and have a few guys different body types and ages run a test only cycle from the Same lab. I would be curious at those results.

I could participate in this...lmk what you want to do

40 years old
6'2
233 lbs

I'd run a test only, but would like to add that tbol, anavar, and mast e also

 

[Voltrader]

I could participate in this...lmk what you want to do

40 years old
6'2
233 lbs

I'd run a test only, but would like to add that tbol, anavar, and mast e also

All right give me a minute I will get a thread going in the morning. I will be.at work and have.the.time. Let's see if we.can get some guys in on this.

 

[redrum720]

So if we pin without splitting we would reach 10x am I correct (8x-10x) so if we split it it should be (6x-7x) also needs to be 24-48 hrs

 

[zthrill]

Here's my opinion on blood results:

Test E was at it's lowest point about at 600mg a week. I believe. Peak levels would be around 32hours after injection.

Test P was the day before and the peak levels are probably a few hours less than 24 hours.

Anyway both of his test injections were on the decline and his doses were split. Scally says it should be 8-10 at peak levels once a weak. Being split doses with each ester numbers are already going to be lower than 9500 TT plus take in account that his test E was barely being released. Having 6x not at peak levels seems pretty decent to me. I'm not saying it's the best but fairly decent.

 

[bickel29]

Since so many of us (I assume all of us) are splitting doses, we REALLY need to know how much of a "discount" to apply to the 10x rule when getting bloods done.

But JB, I assume you were splitting doses when you achieved that 10x result running Stretch's gear, right?

 

[mghoward74]

So does this sound right

Test E at 600 mg on whatever day of the week (saturday) once a week

Pin the same time, same day on cycle

Then get bloods on week 5 or 6 (monday)

Is this right what we're saying

Edit: so one would end up at 6000 or so according to the 10x rule

 

[Fckit]

So does this sound right

Test E at 600 mg on whatever day of the week (saturday) once a week

Pin the same time, same day on cycle

Then get bloods on week 5 or 6 (monday)

Is this right what we're saying

I don't know what we're saying anymore. My head hurts.... Going to read cycle logs for a minute

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Since so many of us (I assume all of us) are splitting doses, we REALLY need to know how much of a "discount" to apply to the 10x rule when getting bloods done.

But JB, I assume you were splitting doses when you achieved that 10x result running Stretch's gear, right?

Yea and with other gear.. I seem to remember Scally saying it shouldn't make too much of a difference but my photographic memory isn't working at the moment for me to find the thread..

Keep in mind Scally came up with the 10x estimate doing thousands of bloods on patients, I'm sure some were splitting doses.. When Volt makes his thread tomorrow I'll ask him to clarify..

 

[mghoward74]

So could this be the reason trt doctors give injections once a week?

 

[tmac34]

U can do this NPP comes in 100ng/ml.
Pin 100 eod 3-4 weeks along with the deca dose do not worry you will have no problem as long as your wife can handle it.
As far as my current run that is all self experimenting trying to see if there is something better . I am 42 and can do it.

Received pak today from MS. T/A took 3 weeks due to a shipping issue (don't know the details). MS was excellent with communication along the way which made the delay more acceptable. Packaging was great. Previously received MS Cialis and V. Cialis gave me a persistent headache, but did work. The V works fantastic and I prefer it over the Cialis - will definitely be ordering more V!

Started tonight MS NPP 100 EOD to run along an already in progress blast of Test. In few weeks from now, start DECA 200mg ew to run concurrently with the NPP. Plan on lowering Test from 500mg to 250mg once NPP is done. Will run 250mg Test with DECA 200mg ew for a stretch.

Thank you MS and everyone else who provided feedback on my previous post about running NPP and DECA.