MESO-Rx Exclusive Muscle dysmorphia from medical vs bodybuilder perspective - do you have it?

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

@MairUnderwood(Researcher) I really enjoyed the article, good job.

Thanks heaps. It means a lot to me to get feedback like that

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

I really thought this would focus on people sacrificing their health for looks. I get why people would consider that a problem but it seems like it was all about guys wanting to get bigger. You keep moving the goal post it said, well no shit. I keep trying to get more money too, if I'm getting a bj I'll see if I can get deep throat. It doesn't seem like guys are nearly as into size as they use to be either, being shredded seems to be as important to most guys now.

It kinda is about people sacrificing their health for looks - their mental health and sometimes their physical health. That's what MD is.
There is no problem with trying to get the most out of life. There is no problem with wanting to get bigger/leaner/more shredded, it's only when wanting to get bigger/leaner/more shredded fucks up other aspects of your life that it becomes a problem and that's what the paper was about. These guys said they suffered because the goal post shifts, if you're not suffering that's great. As you would have seen in the paper I think we need to understand how some people can bodybuild without suffering, so we can help prevent others from suffering

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

Sure do have it. I would say the massively over-the-top defensive postings here are a huge tell for those claiming they don't.

The response is fuckin interesting isn't it?

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

I love this:

But getting back to this topic, basically took self development away from the gym to not obsess over it as bad. Without any other accomplishments in life chances are you just won't break away from it.

Nice link to what I am going to say in part 2, thanks this is one of the ways bodybuilders say to manage MD. remember that there is more to you than your physique

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

It doesn't always work in the order of character development developing the physique, sometimes the physique can help develop the character too!

Couldn't agree more. By drawing attention to MD I'm not trying to belittle what bodybuilders have told me about how much bodybuilding improved their lives, and helped them develop as a person (see my first paper on here about whether bodybuilding is good or bad for mental health), I just want to get more of a conversation going on about MD as I think there's a lot of guys suffering out there who feel pretty alone in their suffering

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

There is a fair amount of criticism of the American Psychiatric Association for the tendency to seemingly psychopathologize everything. The more "disorders" that can be diagnosed, the more money they can bill insurance for.

And some notable psychiatrists seem like they want to diagnose all bodybuilders with muscle dysmorphia.

Yep, there is a tendency to pathologise bodybuilding (and other aspects of everyday life), but we can't let us stop trying to prevent the suffering. I know we are on the same page with this Millard

 

[Demondosage]

Millard definitely doesn't suffer from bigorexia, he is a road cyclist half the year, the muscle goblin robs him half the year and then he has to pick up all the pieces again and again, lol

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

I could be “bigorexic” “bigdicked” “narcissistic” “whateveryouwantic” but mainly i m misanthropic and hate people who dont mind their fuckin loser life, @Millard spoke about insurance exploiting so it does make sense. And i couldnt imagine why Any fuckin one should give a fuck about this rediculous shit , mainly made to make money somehow.

do you think i m bigorexic? Cool... fuck you...

Do you think i ve some mental issues and you just wanna feel better then me? Cool.. kill yorself

do you wanna exploit insurance by addind “diseases” ? You motherfucker, respect... good move... fuck you anyway


so here there is people that could be called Bigorexic, mad, bad, Trennorexic (i know some of them who like men who look like girls but with a dick instead of a pussy) ... my question is always the same... who fuckin cares?

 

[Bumble]

That's preference. It's very normal to engage in behavior that is socially-rewarded. That's not bigorexia.

This is me then. For all my education, accomplishments, capabilities, experience (such as they are) the most return/reward ALWAYS comes from being jacked, in all circles.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

This is me then. For all my education, accomplishments, capabilities, experience (such as they are) the most return/reward ALWAYS comes from being jacked, in all circles.

would like to know in details this

 

[Bumble]

would like to know in details this

To accommodate your inquiry, i (anyone) would have to provide some sort if resume, profession, social circle and activities, and even locale would give some insight.

This is not the place for specifics, my friend. No can do.

Have a good afternoon.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

To accommodate your inquiry, i (anyone) would have to provide some sort if resume, profession, social circle and activities, and even locale would give some insight.

This is not the place for specifics, my friend. No can do.

Have a good afternoon.

ok but you could have been generic.. without giving out details

 

[grey]

do you wanna exploit insurance by addind “diseases” ? You motherfucker, respect... good move... fuck you anyway

Who on earth are you talking to here?

It sure as hell isn't the people behind this research (which clearly you didn't absorb at all).

Good lord.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

Who on earth are you talking to here?

It sure as hell isn't the people behind this research (which clearly you didn't absorb at all).

Good lord.

There is a fair amount of criticism of the American Psychiatric Association for the tendency to seemingly psychopathologize everything. The more "disorders" that can be diagnosed, the more money they can bill insurance for.

i was referring to this by Millard... whoever is involved... researchers too so...

Anyway you clearly suffer of Pissoffrexia and you should be taken care of properly..

I heard that you could take a hot shower with Shaqueille O’Neal , he, by dropping the soap, would let you understand that you should get away lot of stress in your life.... and you should show some kindness by picking up it from the shower floor


View: https://youtu.be/Gym3NmKfjjU

 

[grey]

Anyway you clearly suffer of Pissoffrexia and you should be taken care of properly..

^This from the guy telling others to mind their own while dropping page long unintelligible screeds.

 

[Jet Labs]

As long as I'm able to keep hitting the weights I'll be a happy man. I prefer the golden era look so I'm not overly concerned about being "Huge".

I'm 6'2", 225lbs around 15%bf and I'll be super happy to hit 8%bf around the same weight and then just work on maturing the muscles while working on symmetry into my 50s/60s and beyond.

I've seen the lengthy list of guys who've died WAY TOO early and I don't want to be on that fucking list no way man. Put me on the list with Pearl, Zane, Robinson, Park, Scott, Columbu and so on.

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

As long as I'm able to keep hitting the weights I'll be a happy man. I prefer the golden era look so I'm not overly concerned about being "Huge".

I'm 6'2", 225lbs around 15%bf and I'll be super happy to hit 8%bf around the same weight and then just work on maturing the muscles while working on symmetry into my 50s/60s and beyond.

I've seen the lengthy list of guys who've died WAY TOO early and I don't want to be on that fucking list no way man. Put me on the list with Pearl, Zane, Robinson, Park, Scott, Columbu and so on.

Sounds like you aren't suffering the way some guys do. I wonder if some people just aren't cut out for bodybuilding and are just particularly susceptible to having it get out of hand? I would like to do future research looking at how some people seem to get through bodybuilding pretty unscathed mental health wise, whereas others really lose their shit

 

[Regular Joe]

As long as I'm able to keep hitting the weights I'll be a happy man. I prefer the golden era look so I'm not overly concerned about being "Huge".

I'm 6'2", 225lbs around 15%bf and I'll be super happy to hit 8%bf around the same weight and then just work on maturing the muscles while working on symmetry into my 50s/60s and beyond.

I've seen the lengthy list of guys who've died WAY TOO early and I don't want to be on that fucking list no way man. Put me on the list with Pearl, Zane, Robinson, Park, Scott, Columbu and so on.

Columbo died, Arnold and ferrigno are still alive. But Lou did become a mass monster in the mid 90s, so genetics?

 

[Regular Joe]

Sounds like you aren't suffering the way some guys do. I wonder if some people just aren't cut out for bodybuilding and are just particularly susceptible to having it get out of hand? I would like to do future research looking at how some people seem to get through bodybuilding pretty unscathed mental health wise, whereas others really lose their shit

There are lots of functioning alcoholics and I've met a couple of functioning crackheads.

What is the definition of bigorexia? Are you saying they always see themselves as small or that they are never happy with how big they get?

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

There are lots of functioning alcoholics and I've met a couple of functioning crackheads.

What is the definition of bigorexia? Are you saying they always see themselves as small or that they are never happy with how big they get?

The stupid researchers arent in bbers mind, and neither in their own fucked up mind.

bigorexia doesnt mean a fuck.

there is an italian bodybuilder, the biggest one, called Andrea Presti, that almost qualified for Mr Olympia open last year, he needed just 1 point, he s 127kg lean, and he thinks he s not big, because he dreams Ronnie Coleman’s freaky body. He met Big Ramy in real life and he said that s fuckin huge and that you should see him in person to understand. So, its all relative to something. So, that Andrea Presti that thinks hes small and isnt happy, he s right, because Ronnie Coleman and Ramy smoke him badly.

some people think im huge and i laugh, i always say “.... i look like shit, and i m fuckin skinny, you don’t know what huge means” Because all of these stupid medicians are fuckin skinny phaggot and the people with a disease is just them, that doesn’t understand a fuck, they re skinny, have small dick, jizz after 30’seconds their wife touch their small tiny penis, so they should burn in hell, all of them and their fuckin Moronrexia


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