My Dr. Crisler Experience

ktmsmith

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This Dr. is an expert in the field of self-promotion and mediocre at best at running a business and treating patients. Like many I imagine I became aware of with him via reviews on various message boards many of which he actively participates. Because I was seeking a Dr. which specialized in male HRT I decided to drive from Ohio to his practice. My first warning should have been when I was able to get an appointment in less than one week. For a supposed world renowned HRT Dr. he apparently is not very busy. After a 5 hour drive I arrived on time for my appointment. Then I waited 45 minutes for him to see me. I was the only patient in the office, another bad sign. While I waited patiently I watched him eat his lunch in his office. Even though he walked by several times while I waited, he never once acknowledged my presence. A polite hello seems reasonable to me. His office is absolutely filthy; dark, dingy with stains all over the carpet which I can only assume are from the dog he had running around in his suite. The dog clearly needed to be let out to do its chores but it was ignored just like me. When the Dr. finally decided to see me he was unprepared and obviously had not reviewed the blood work drawn from another Dr. several weeks before which I had sent in prior to my appointment.

My appointment lasted about 30 minutes of which half of the time he spent entering my stats on his laptop. He barely discussed my symptoms and gave me a 5 minute physical which incidentally requires the patient to walk into an entirely different part of the building as he doesn’t have an exam room within his suite. This room was also dirty and cluttered and basically amounted to a glorified broom closet, not a medical exam room.

My initial visit was $495. For that I got 30 minutes and a prescript for testosterone which I had to order on his ATM website using the pharmacy he recommends. If you want to use your pharmacy you get to pay an extra $15 because they fax in the order and that takes extra effort according to them. Actually I suspect this $15 amounts to the kickback he doesn’t receive when you don’t use his pharmacy; more about that later.

At my appointment, I was told I would receive an email in 4 weeks with a blood work order at my area LabCorp. After 6 weeks I still had not received my blood work request so I inquired as to its status and was informed by his office assistance Renee that the request was sent in and she couldn’t help it if I didn’t get an email notice to that fact. They are so busy don’t you know “treating people from all over the world.” Very unprofessional but just the beginning of what his troglodyte office manager is all about.

After the blood work was completed I scheduled my first virtual office visit, VOV. I assumed I might need more than the standard 15 minutes allowed for the Level one consult so I added another 15 minutes and paid the extra fee. Of course I had no idea what we would talk about because I wasn’t permitted access to my blood work prior to the VOV. You can only get your blood work after you have your VOV not before and of course you must pay a $5.00 fax fee to have them sent. Apparently I am capable of doing all of the administrative duties for Dr. including placing my order for prescriptions, scheduling VOV’s etc. but I am not capable of relaying to the Dr. how I am feeling without the contaminating effect of knowing what my labs are. That is complete BS and indicative of this Dr.’s massive ego.

The Dr. was 50 minutes late for our scheduled VOV. When he finally called we had a terrible connection so I asked him to call back to see if it would improve. 20 Minutes later he called back. Apparently he considered those 20 minutes to be part of my paid time because he spent less than 10 minutes total with me on the phone. Of course I was at a complete loss to ask questions because I had no knowledge of my blood work. I did know that I did not feel good and was told that my Total T was around 220. I was at 640 with my prior Dr. so something clearing was wrong. I asked about my thyroid levels and was told those labs were not ordered. Hmm..why not? That seems like basic HRT blood work 101. According to Crisler the problem was with the pharmacy compounder. Remember this was their recommended compounder. Even more remarkable was the fact that he wanted ME to call the compounder to complain as he was supposedly having trouble with them and was in the process of changing to a new pharmacy. So at this point I was 8 weeks in and doing worse than when I started with him. His solution; call the pharmacy and complain and order your next T prescript from their new pharmacy. Like an idiot I chose to use his newly recommended compounder. However after several weeks of not receiving my new prescript I had to inquire again as to its status. After several days of waiting for a response, ever pleasant Renee again flatly replied via email… “the compounder is not set up yet.” There was no information as to when it would be done or an offer to source it from somewhere else; just a, rude, ambiguous response. In addition to the T prescription which was not fulfilled I had a second prescription which they did not source through one of their pharmacies so I had to have them fax a prescription to my local Wal-Mart, again for $15.00 After several days I contacted the pharmacy and they told me they never received the order. Several emails and calls later over the course of more than a week I still didn’t have my prescription filled. Eventually, Renee told me that she was done with trying to get the problem resolved which I don’t think amounted to anything more than her continuing to fax in the request which was obviously not getting through. Apparently picking up the phone and communicating with the pharmacy was too much of a burden for her. She rudely informed me that she was too busy to mess with it anymore and if I wanted the prescription filled I would have to submit a new request on ATM for an additional $15.00 fee to a different pharmacy. Now that’s what I call service.

Ultimately I contested charges on my credit card for services which were never rendered. I never got the T prescription from his new pharmacy and of course I never got the prescription filled at Wal-Mart. When Crisler became aware of my decline to pay for service he sent me an email telling me I was dismissed from his practice. Apparently I violated the Dr./patitent relationship. He even had the gall to accuse me of fraud for contesting his charges. He also regretted to inform me that he couldn’t recommend another Dr. for my care. Oh BOO HOO…what a tool. He did however offer to forward my medical records for an additional fee. [:o)]

Buyer beware with this Dr.
 
This Dr. is an expert in the field of self-promotion and mediocre at best at running a business and treating patients. Like many I imagine I became aware of with him via reviews on various message boards many of which he actively participates. Because I was seeking a Dr. which specialized in male HRT I decided to drive from Ohio to his practice. My first warning should have been when I was able to get an appointment in less than one week. For a supposed world renowned HRT Dr. he apparently is not very busy. After a 5 hour drive I arrived on time for my appointment. Then I waited 45 minutes for him to see me. I was the only patient in the office, another bad sign. While I waited patiently I watched him eat his lunch in his office. Even though he walked by several times while I waited, he never once acknowledged my presence. A polite hello seems reasonable to me. His office is absolutely filthy; dark, dingy with stains all over the carpet which I can only assume are from the dog he had running around in his suite. The dog clearly needed to be let out to do its chores but it was ignored just like me. When the Dr. finally decided to see me he was unprepared and obviously had not reviewed the blood work drawn from another Dr. several weeks before which I had sent in prior to my appointment.

My appointment lasted about 30 minutes of which half of the time he spent entering my stats on his laptop. He barely discussed my symptoms and gave me a 5 minute physical which incidentally requires the patient to walk into an entirely different part of the building as he doesn’t have an exam room within his suite. This room was also dirty and cluttered and basically amounted to a glorified broom closet, not a medical exam room.

My initial visit was $495. For that I got 30 minutes and a prescript for testosterone which I had to order on his ATM website using the pharmacy he recommends. If you want to use your pharmacy you get to pay an extra $15 because they fax in the order and that takes extra effort according to them. Actually I suspect this $15 amounts to the kickback he doesn’t receive when you don’t use his pharmacy; more about that later.

At my appointment, I was told I would receive an email in 4 weeks with a blood work order at my area LabCorp. After 6 weeks I still had not received my blood work request so I inquired as to its status and was informed by his office assistance Renee that the request was sent in and she couldn’t help it if I didn’t get an email notice to that fact. They are so busy don’t you know “treating people from all over the world.” Very unprofessional but just the beginning of what his troglodyte office manager is all about.

After the blood work was completed I scheduled my first virtual office visit, VOV. I assumed I might need more than the standard 15 minutes allowed for the Level one consult so I added another 15 minutes and paid the extra fee. Of course I had no idea what we would talk about because I wasn’t permitted access to my blood work prior to the VOV. You can only get your blood work after you have your VOV not before and of course you must pay a $5.00 fax fee to have them sent. Apparently I am capable of doing all of the administrative duties for Dr. including placing my order for prescriptions, scheduling VOV’s etc. but I am not capable of relaying to the Dr. how I am feeling without the contaminating effect of knowing what my labs are. That is complete BS and indicative of this Dr.’s massive ego.

The Dr. was 50 minutes late for our scheduled VOV. When he finally called we had a terrible connection so I asked him to call back to see if it would improve. 20 Minutes later he called back. Apparently he considered those 20 minutes to be part of my paid time because he spent less than 10 minutes total with me on the phone. Of course I was at a complete loss to ask questions because I had no knowledge of my blood work. I did know that I did not feel good and was told that my Total T was around 220. I was at 640 with my prior Dr. so something clearing was wrong. I asked about my thyroid levels and was told those labs were not ordered. Hmm..why not? That seems like basic HRT blood work 101. According to Crisler the problem was with the pharmacy compounder. Remember this was their recommended compounder. Even more remarkable was the fact that he wanted ME to call the compounder to complain as he was supposedly having trouble with them and was in the process of changing to a new pharmacy. So at this point I was 8 weeks in and doing worse than when I started with him. His solution; call the pharmacy and complain and order your next T prescript from their new pharmacy. Like an idiot I chose to use his newly recommended compounder. However after several weeks of not receiving my new prescript I had to inquire again as to its status. After several days of waiting for a response, ever pleasant Renee again flatly replied via email… “the compounder is not set up yet.” There was no information as to when it would be done or an offer to source it from somewhere else; just a, rude, ambiguous response. In addition to the T prescription which was not fulfilled I had a second prescription which they did not source through one of their pharmacies so I had to have them fax a prescription to my local Wal-Mart, again for $15.00 After several days I contacted the pharmacy and they told me they never received the order. Several emails and calls later over the course of more than a week I still didn’t have my prescription filled. Eventually, Renee told me that she was done with trying to get the problem resolved which I don’t think amounted to anything more than her continuing to fax in the request which was obviously not getting through. Apparently picking up the phone and communicating with the pharmacy was too much of a burden for her. She rudely informed me that she was too busy to mess with it anymore and if I wanted the prescription filled I would have to submit a new request on ATM for an additional $15.00 fee to a different pharmacy. Now that’s what I call service.

Ultimately I contested charges on my credit card for services which were never rendered. I never got the T prescription from his new pharmacy and of course I never got the prescription filled at Wal-Mart. When Crisler became aware of my decline to pay for service he sent me an email telling me I was dismissed from his practice. Apparently I violated the Dr./patitent relationship. He even had the gall to accuse me of fraud for contesting his charges. He also regretted to inform me that he couldn’t recommend another Dr. for my care. Oh BOO HOO…what a tool. He did however offer to forward my medical records for an additional fee. [:o)]

Buyer beware with this Dr.

Your first post...imagine that. I have said it before and I'll say it again. In 4 years I have never had any of these problems. I have had to have prescriptions re-faxed because of pharmacy error and they were always done immediately.....with no extra charge. I have received phone calls late in the evening on Saturdays and Sundays to schedule appointments when they received my lab work on a Friday. He has been up to an hour late a couple times but has always apologized. And this wasn't really any big deal because I have waited just as long at my local doctors office. At lest with a VOV I can go about my business and just answer the phone when it rings.
 
you already posted this story on your other account


Sako, if you are referring to me you are dead wrong. Yes I did post something very similar, how ironic that the author of this thread posted an almost identical experience, however if you can figure out how to check the IP address he is from Ohio and I am from the West coast.

I too was the only patient when I went to see the doc, and he did the same thing to me, wiping off his desk, fiddling around while I waited and waited. Doc wasn't prepared nor was he on following VOV visits. On a side note Renee didn't appear to be all that busy when I was there, never saw her on the phone once. Yes I have also been to the broom closet (exam room) down the hall of course. Take it for what its worth, for those of you that had or are having a good experience with him more power to you but you should let the ones that have had a less than pleasurable experience vocie their concerns.

My motivation for my thread was for people seeking his help have a full understanding of what could happen, they are getting both sides on this forum. And I call BS on return phone calls, never once did I ever get a return call when I left a VM, the only calls I EVER received were when I paid for a VOV. I called it quits after my last VOV when he didn't even tell me what my labs were and yes it is very hard to ask questions if you cannot see the labs while he is talking.
 
Your first post...imagine that. I have said it before and I'll say it again. In 4 years I have never had any of these problems. I have had to have prescriptions re-faxed because of pharmacy error and they were always done immediately.....with no extra charge. I have received phone calls late in the evening on Saturdays and Sundays to schedule appointments when they received my lab work on a Friday. He has been up to an hour late a couple times but has always apologized. And this wasn't really any big deal because I have waited just as long at my local doctors office. At lest with a VOV I can go about my business and just answer the phone when it rings.


Yes this is my first post on here. I actually wasn't even aware of this site until I googled for complaints against Dr. Crisler. What I read here and on other sites completely confirmed my frustrastions with his practice. I have no dog in this hunt but if I can caution a new potential client about his business practice and possibly spare them their time, and wasted money then so be it. I like many people have been taken for a ride before and I typically lick my wounds and move on, but the arrogance of this quack, the incompetance and rudeness of his staff ranks at an all time high for me and consequently I am happy to post my story.

I dont know you from Adam, and I have no reason to question your experience with Crisler. But honestly, doesnt it stand to reason that he would offer you superior service, which you apparently have recieved because you are a moderator on HIS board and from what I can tell never fail to counter argue somebody elses complaints?

By the way, you can find KTMSMITH on his muscle chat room forum which I joined when I first became a patient although I dont believe I ever posted anything on there. I am also on steriods. com forum. I have posted on there...in fact I have a post back several months ago when I posted excitedly about my upcoming first visit with Crisler. Little did I know.
 
If you are from Ohio I use Premiere Age Clinic in Independence, Ohio they specialize in TRT. They have a nice staff and a clean office. Prices are very affordable for what you get.
 
Sako, if you are referring to me you are dead wrong. Yes I did post something very similar, how ironic that the author of this thread posted an almost identical experience, however if you can figure out how to check the IP address he is from Ohio and I am from the West coast.

I too was the only patient when I went to see the doc, and he did the same thing to me, wiping off his desk, fiddling around while I waited and waited. Doc wasn't prepared nor was he on following VOV visits. On a side note Renee didn't appear to be all that busy when I was there, never saw her on the phone once. Yes I have also been to the broom closet (exam room) down the hall of course. Take it for what its worth, for those of you that had or are having a good experience with him more power to you but you should let the ones that have had a less than pleasurable experience vocie their concerns.

My motivation for my thread was for people seeking his help have a full understanding of what could happen, they are getting both sides on this forum. And I call BS on return phone calls, never once did I ever get a return call when I left a VM, the only calls I EVER received were when I paid for a VOV. I called it quits after my last VOV when he didn't even tell me what my labs were and yes it is very hard to ask questions if you cannot see the labs while he is talking.

Sure....post away. But I can post about my good experience too.
 
Yes this is my first post on here. I actually wasn't even aware of this site until I googled for complaints against Dr. Crisler. What I read here and on other sites completely confirmed my frustrastions with his practice. I have no dog in this hunt but if I can caution a new potential client about his business practice and possibly spare them their time, and wasted money then so be it. I like many people have been taken for a ride before and I typically lick my wounds and move on, but the arrogance of this quack, the incompetance and rudeness of his staff ranks at an all time high for me and consequently I am happy to post my story.

I dont know you from Adam, and I have no reason to question your experience with Crisler. But honestly, doesnt it stand to reason that he would offer you superior service, which you apparently have recieved because you are a moderator on HIS board and from what I can tell never fail to counter argue somebody elses complaints?

By the way, you can find KTMSMITH on his muscle chat room forum which I joined when I first became a patient although I dont believe I ever posted anything on there. I am also on steriods. com forum. I have posted on there...in fact I have a post back several months ago when I posted excitedly about my upcoming first visit with Crisler. Little did I know.

I was a patient long before I became a moderator on his forum and I received good service at that time as well.

I counter argue complaints that I see because they don't match my experience. People should see both sides.....not just the complaints.
 
and you are the only one on here doing so... and you are a mod on his forum.
[:o)]

So....your point? As I said above, I was a patient long before becoming a mod on his forum and I have had good service for the 4 years that I have been a patient. I have neither time nor money to burn. Believe me, if the service I was receiving wasn't good I would take my money elsewhere and wouldn't spend time moderating his forum.
 
I like many people have been taken for a ride before and I typically lick my wounds and move on, but the arrogance of this quack, the incompetance and rudeness of his staff ranks at an all time high for me and consequently I am happy to post my story.

Thanks for the post.
 
It wouldn't be the first time.

There must be some pretty unhappy customers to go through the trouble to "troll" a message forum.

At the end of the day Crisler is running a business and if the business has lousy customer service from him, or his employees, that is fair game to be discussed.

I am SO glad I didnt drive out to see him !
 
I see both sides here...... honestly though you can never EVER take the word of someone who uses their first post to bash someone, it may be a legit complaint but due to the amount of spammers out there thats just the way it is :p

If you guys were around when Peanutbutter was here you would understand.....matter of fact he could be lurking in the trolls here, you would know by his horrible english though [:o)]
 
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Take it easy on Dr Crisler. The guy has not had sex in a VERY long time. How is he supposed to fix your sexual problems when he can't even fix his own?
 
If you are from Ohio I use Premiere Age Clinic in Independence, Ohio they specialize in TRT. They have a nice staff and a clean office. Prices are very affordable for what you get.

Thanks for the recommendation kjcmc. I actually found a superb Doc in the Columbus area. My experience with her was the polar opposite of Crisler and his scam All Things Male clinic. Her first in person consult lasts 2 hours and the charge was $350. She is incredibly responsive, doesn't charge you for your prescript, doesn't steer you towards her pharmacy for a kickback and she has a brand new, clean and sterile office building, located less than a mile from LabCorp's Columbus lab. I went 30 minutes over on my first appointment and I was never once rushed or pressured out the door. She was extremely thorough, answered all of my questions and concerns, and really knows her stuff. She works up a complete therapy plan prior to your visit and has your blood work statistically plotted showing where you are at and where you should be for all hormonal categories. All of this is put together in a book which is yours to take. It tracks your medical history, your supplemental history, diet recommendations and their effect on blood work etc. I was completely blown away with her professionalism; all of this without a hint of ego. I left there confident that I had found a long term partner in my HRT therapy.
 
Thanks for the recommendation kjcmc. I actually found a superb Doc in the Columbus area. My experience with her was the polar opposite of Crisler and his scam All Things Male clinic. Her first in person consult lasts 2 hours and the charge was $350. She is incredibly responsive, doesn't charge you for your prescript, doesn't steer you towards her pharmacy for a kickback and she has a brand new, clean and sterile office building, located less than a mile from LabCorp's Columbus lab. I went 30 minutes over on my first appointment and I was never once rushed or pressured out the door. She was extremely thorough, answered all of my questions and concerns, and really knows her stuff. She works up a complete therapy plan prior to your visit and has your blood work statistically plotted showing where you are at and where you should be for all hormonal categories. All of this is put together in a book which is yours to take. It tracks your medical history, your supplemental history, diet recommendations and their effect on blood work etc. I was completely blown away with her professionalism; all of this without a hint of ego. I left there confident that I had found a long term partner in my HRT therapy.

lol that doesn't sound like like a troll post or anything [:o)]
 
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