My natty IGF-1 came back at 181 at 43 years old. Is this high enough that I wouldn't necessarily benefit from 2 units of GH daily?

[jtmarlin]

My natty IGF-1 came back at 181 at 43 years old. Is this high enough that I wouldn't necessarily benefit from 2 units of GH daily? Is the multiplier to shoot for when using HGH at an HRT level 100 IGF-1 per unit? I just don't want to blow a ton on GH inject 2 units and end up with 200 IGF-1 if I'm already at 183 IGF-1 w/no GH on just TRT. Am I thinking correct on this?

I'm on 20mg of test cyp per day = 140 weekly

 

[Ateam2023]

My natty IGF-1 came back at 181 at 43 years old. Is this high enough that I wouldn't necessarily benefit from 2 units of GH daily? Is the multiplier to shoot for when using HGH at an HRT level 100 IGF-1 per unit? I just don't want to blow a ton on GH inject 2 units and end up with 200 IGF-1 if I'm already at 183 IGF-1 w/no GH on just TRT. Am I thinking correct on this?

I'm on 20mg of test cyp per day = 140 weekly

imo 2 iu is a mere replacement dose "at best"

 

[Ghoul]

Why would extrogenous GH not just build on his naturally high level? It's not testosterone, there's no feedback axis that would cut down natural production. Am I missing something here?

 

[jtmarlin]

imo 2 iu is a mere replacement dose "at best"

That's what I'm looking for. What level of IGF-1 is the target for HRT? 250?

 

[Ghoul]

Presumably you could put yourself in the 99th percentile for your age and still be physiological.

 

[Grey Spartan]

imo 2 iu is a mere replacement dose "at best"

So what dose do you recommend for enhancement 6iu? Assuming we are considering the OPs question as an add on to HRT.

 

[Liter O' Test]

So what dose do you recommend for enhancement 6iu? Assuming we are considering the OPs question as an add on to HRT.

depends how ugly you are comfortable with

 

[Intrepid]

You'd probably see some benefit to 2iu, but it wouldn't be game changing because like others said it's really just a replacement dose

I think 4iu/day would do you well honestly

You can get a kit of 400iu gh for $135, or $0.3375/iu, so 4iu/day cost $1.35 a day, or about $40/month.

Should be able to run 4iu without breaking the bank. It's less than a cup of coffee per day, price wise

 

[DugPrime]

Why would extrogenous GH not just build on his naturally high level?

Using exogenous rHGH suppress the body's natural production of growth hormone.

 

[Ghoul]

Using exogenous rHGH suppress the body's natural production of growth hormone.

Thanks for that, I didn't know it blunts the natural pulsatile GH peaks.

Since I don't want to exceed physiological levels anyway, I guess I'll see if a secretagogue can get me into the top 1% for my age.

 

[Ateam2023]

So what dose do you recommend for enhancement 6iu? Assuming we are considering the OPs question as an add on to HRT.

he could start at 2 iu and titrate up accordingly

 

[Ateam2023]

hgh and igf1 score has alot of variables , including "diet" it seems to have an affect on igf1 numbers, Also age, idk theres alot more than just ius in and igf1 numbers that i still dont understand myself , i know im taking 5 ius a day of good hgh and my igf1 number is barely over 200, granted i have been in calorie deficit for 16 months , hmmmm "more variables" aha

 

[jtmarlin]

Perhaps I will hold off on GH. Had things come back at like 80 I would have been more inclined to take the leap here.

 

[Ateam2023]

My natty IGF-1 came back at 181 at 43 years old. Is this high enough that I wouldn't necessarily benefit from 2 units of GH daily? Is the multiplier to shoot for when using HGH at an HRT level 100 IGF-1 per unit? I just don't want to blow a ton on GH inject 2 units and end up with 200 IGF-1 if I'm already at 183 IGF-1 w/no GH on just TRT. Am I thinking correct on this?

I'm on 20mg of test cyp per day = 140 weekly

what are your goals with adding hgh anyway? Serious question, are you just chasing a number? fat loss , well being, antiaging( lol be careful believing that) anyway a goal of what you are trying to accomplish

 

[Grey Spartan]

e been in calorie deficit for 16 months , hmmmm "more variables" aha

16 months?! Have you reached your goal yet? What body fat did you start at?

 

[Ateam2023]

16 months?! Have you reached your goal yet? What body fat did you start at?

25% now down to 11-12% , and i didn't use anything besides hgh, cardio, fasting and a borrrring ass diet

 

[jtmarlin]

what are your goals with adding hgh anyway? Serious question, are you just chasing a number? fat loss , well being, antiaging( lol be careful believing that) anyway a goal of what you are trying to accomplish

I'd like to have the added fat loss benefit and perhaps a bit more hypertrophy without having to take my androgen load up past TRT. I want to feel as good as possible for as long as possible and age well.

 

[Intrepid]

I'd like to have the added fat loss benefit and perhaps a bit more hypertrophy without having to take my androgen load up past TRT. I want to feel as good as possible for as long as possible and age well.

2-4iu should be good for those purposes. Enhanced recovery, increased skin collagen. I find it helps my skin complexion personally

 

[OldGHGuy]

My natty IGF-1 came back at 181 at 43 years old. Is this high enough that I wouldn't necessarily benefit from 2 units of GH daily? Is the multiplier to shoot for when using HGH at an HRT level 100 IGF-1 per unit? I just don't want to blow a ton on GH inject 2 units and end up with 200 IGF-1 if I'm already at 183 IGF-1 w/no GH on just TRT. Am I thinking correct on this?

I'm on 20mg of test cyp per day = 140 weekly

My IGF-q is 260 on TRT only, age 55 (same Test dose of 140 mg per week but pinned every 3rd day). Average 450 on 2.4iu GH so yes, I think you will definitely benefit from 2 iu per day, even 5/2. But you would have to try it and the test to be sure as everyone is different.

 

[UncleBuns]

It's difficult to guess how much natural GH you produce based on IGF but a good average is about 100 IGF per 1iu GH. Most are around that, but there are outliers You could take 2iu daily and after 6 weeks pull an IGF 1 to see if it's worth it. I would work up to 2.5 or 3iu, stay at the same dose for 6 weeks, then pull IGF.