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[naps]

I'm only talking about Geneza. We do test all the raws for Geneza. Some other brands on our website use the same raw suppliers so at least I know they are getting good ingredients.

Here are the December lab reports from the new Chinese testing laboratory. This time it's HPLC-UV only.Will probably get back to the previous laboratory next time since they were doing mass spec as well.

 

[Charles]

BTW, Im not taking sides, for naps or for anyone else, I was just stating from a business standpoint that naps would be silly , but since I've never used/tested/ or mas spec their product, it's simply a comment based on economics, I do feel for those getting bunk gear, we are all here for a common goal sucks that money corrupts "absolutely."

 

[irishman]

Are you serious?! The point is not that you are intentionally putting out bad batches to cut corners and save money. We all know these raws are cheap as fuck, the quantity you buy both raws and finished product it makes everything ridiculously inexpensive for you... But you, like everyone else in this game DO NOT TEST EVERY BATCH YOU GET! It's absolute horse shit if you say you do.

It IS more cost-effective for you to put out a product and deal with the fall-back of unhappy customers or undersosed product than test every batch that goes out, because as you said it at one point, you sell more steroids than nearly any online resaler. Companies do this all the time. Forego quality control to save a buck on the front-end either because analysts have discovered there is more money to be made this way or because they just think that is the case.

Either way, people aren't this stupid and you are blind if you can't see that. The reason you get the business you do is because you are accessible, available and relatively cheap for those who usually buy in the gym. BUT you could be selling 3-4 times the amount you are if you actually tested your product

So, is naps good or bad? Why don't they accept credit cards?

 

[Boilermech]

So, is naps good or bad? Why don't they accept credit cards?

Is this a real question? Credit card seriously?

 

[irishman]

Is this a real question? Credit card seriously?

Yes, it's a real question.

 

[Marcus]

So, is naps good or bad? Why don't they accept credit cards?

Naps has some good and some bad product, the problem is you just don't know what your getting as consistency is an issue. And as you can see naps NEVER admits ever that there can or may be issues... So buyer beware is all.

CC transactions can be traced and documents MUST be kept to ensure payment and prevent chargebacks (amongst other reasons, I doubt audits are priorities with any online source). Im sure naps keeps info anyway, but do you want a solid paper trail leading back to you as well? Even if you bought a pre-paid, it's pretty easy to trace where those have been purchased and information associated with them. Either way, merchant agreements require paperwork to be kept for minimum amounts of time

 

[irishman]

Naps has some good and some bad product, the problem is you just don't know what your getting as consistency is an issue. And as you can see naps NEVER admits ever that there can or may be issues... So buyer beware is all.

CC transactions can be traced and documents MUST be kept to ensure payment and prevent chargebacks (amongst other reasons, I doubt audits are priorities with any online source). Im sure naps keeps info anyway, but do you want a solid paper trail leading back to you as well? Even if you bought a pre-paid, it's pretty easy to trace where those have been purchased and information associated with them. Either way, merchant agreements require paperwork to be kept for minimum amounts of time

Thanks, Marcus

 

[Marcus]

I'm only talking about Geneza. We do test all the raws for Geneza. Some other brands on our website use the same raw suppliers so at least I know they are getting good ingredients.

Here are the December lab reports from the new Chinese testing laboratory. This time it's HPLC-UV only.Will probably get back to the previous laboratory next time since they were doing mass spec as well.

Do you also happen to have the test for concentration?
@Dr JIM @lightspan can you take a look at the HPLC data above that Naps posted and give us your feedback? Above my knowledge

 

[Boilermech]

Naps has some good and some bad product, the problem is you just don't know what your getting as consistency is an issue. And as you can see naps NEVER admits ever that there can or may be issues... So buyer beware is all.

CC transactions can be traced and documents MUST be kept to ensure payment and prevent chargebacks (amongst other reasons, I doubt audits are priorities with any online source). Im sure naps keeps info anyway, but do you want a solid paper trail leading back to you as well? Even if you bought a pre-paid, it's pretty easy to trace where those have been purchased and information associated with them. Either way, merchant agreements require paperwork to be kept for minimum amounts of time

Dang I was writing up a novel to respond. It's a good thing I refreshed this before I posted.
Good response brother.

 

[Dr JIM]

Do you also happen to have the test for concentration?
@Dr JIM @lightspan can you take a look at the HPLC data above that Naps posted and give us your feedback? Above my knowledge

That can NOT be done bc those HPLCs simply do not contain enough information for an onlooker to derive a concentration from.

That is those HPLC's are full of holes but suffice it to say first they are computer generated graphs, have retention times that are far to brief for AAS, reportedly solubilize a halogenated AAS Fluromesterone using methanol and H20 NOT (its to polar at that concentration, see my earlier post on this problem) and none of the HPLCs posted references a calibration curve which is VERY IMPORTANT BC a sample concentration can NOT BE DETERMINED, in it's absence.

If you read thru this thread again I previously mentioned these discrepancies and asked for a Naps rep to field my questions……. Not to surprising they never posted a reply on Meso that i'm aware of.

 

[Dr JIM]

Marcus take a gander at page 15 and 16 of the HPLCs I recently posted. Notice the calibration curve and the calculations used to derive the concentration? That's the standard mate and when that info is absent red flags should go up PERIOD!

 

[Marcus]

That can NOT be done bc those HPLCs simply do not contain enough information for an onlooker to derive a concentration from.

That is those HPLC's are full of holes but suffice it to say first they are computer generated graphs, have retention times that are far to brief for AAS, and not ONE references a calibration curve which is VERY IMPORTANT BC a sample concentration can NOT BE DETERMINED!

If you read thru this thread again I previously mentioned these discrepancies and asked for a Naps rep to field my question……. Not to surprising they never posted a reply on Meso that i'm aware of.

As usual, thank you dr jim.

@naps stop posting this bullshit data and tip-toeing around a vital question. It's not going to go away by your slick talk and ridiculous claims

 

[Roc050]

With all these changes going on here why cant a source have to comply or they cant post here, pack them up time to go

 

[mercury]

I'm only talking about Geneza. We do test all the raws for Geneza. Some other brands on our website use the same raw suppliers so at least I know they are getting good ingredients.

Here are the December lab reports from the new Chinese testing laboratory. This time it's HPLC-UV only.Will probably get back to the previous laboratory next time since they were doing mass spec as well.

OK NAPS, there is no way to verify where you got those reports. There are a few things missing to take them into consideration.

Explain one thing, since you make 10 micro liter ( 10 ul ) injection why do you dissolve 200 mg of powder. How the calculation of purity was done, did they use standard, provide the data sheet.

If you can answer this in proper manner, I will never again give you a bad review. I will simply shut up.

 

[naps]

The questions have been forwarded to the lab. Yes, I'm not a chemist.
These reports is not something I'm very proud about. It's the first contact with this lab. It's actually an University in China. Doesn't mean anything though. The reports were just to demonstrate that we are constantly looking for better options. Sometimes through trial and error. Whether you want to follow our lab reports or not, they have been done and this time with this particular lab.
For sure I will return to the EU lab and previous Chinese laboratory after the holidays since they are the best for now and MESO will be testing through them soon as well. I'm still looking for options here. So instead of "fuck you", you guys can may be offer a better lab. I doubt Dr.Jim will me PM and offer his services though.

 

[naps]

If you can answer this in proper manner, I will never again give you a bad review. I will simply shut up.

Hold on bro. You missed my previous question. The lab test that you called fake on our website has been done by the same person that did the labs for another manufacturer. Why did you call our labs fake and another manufacturer's real? The person who did the labs was Angus from eroids. Seriously, why don't you contact him to ask if our report is real?

 

[mercury]

Hold on bro. You missed my previous question. The lab test that you called fake on our website has been done by the same person that did the labs for another manufacturer. Why did you call our labs fake and another manufacturer's real? The person who did the labs was Angus from eroids. Seriously, why don't you contact him to ask if our report is real?

Angus is not accredited and certified lab so he can be taken only half seriously.

I have already explained this you posted lab results of powder and attached it to a oil. It was not oil test but powder test. And this was in question. There were also some information missing which put the validity of test into question.

The other one of pure powder was more realistic and he had also some supporting data like previous blood test so I could believe that it was for real. So he had powder and he posted test of powder.

 

[naps]

Angus is not accredited and certified lab so he can be taken only half seriously.

I have already explained this you posted lab results of powder and attached it to a oil. It was not oil test but powder test. And this was in question. There were also some information missing which put the validity of test into question.

The other one of pure powder was more realistic and he had also some supporting data like previous blood test so I could believe that it was for real. So he had powder and he posted test of powder.

Ok and since you never trust my words why not to ask Angus this question direct before questioning the report?

 

[Marcus]

The questions have been forwarded to the lab. Yes, I'm not a chemist.
These reports is not something I'm very proud about. It's the first contact with this lab. It's actually an University in China. Doesn't mean anything though. The reports were just to demonstrate that we are constantly looking for better options. Sometimes through trial and error. Whether you want to follow our lab reports or not, they have been done and this time with this particular lab.
For sure I will return to the EU lab and previous Chinese laboratory after the holidays since they are the best for now and MESO will be testing through them soon as well. I'm still looking for options here. So instead of "fuck you", you guys can may be offer a better lab. I doubt Dr.Jim will me PM and offer his services though.

Let me get this straight, we call you out on your testing, you backtrack and blame the lab in China, then ask US for a connection to a lab? You are the biggest resaler of steroids on the Internet, how are you not possibly able to run proper testing on your product?!?! Do you even realize how absolutely insane this is?!

No one said, "fuck you..." dr Jim does not test for sources for the reason that he does not want to be held responsible for drumming up sales. What's to say that you won't swap samples after testing and he will be the one left with the responsibility?

 

[naps]

You are the biggest resaler of steroids on the Internet, how are you not possibly able to run proper testing on your product?!?! Do you even realize how absolutely insane this is?!

As I said the questions have been forwarded to the lab.

The insane part is that I'm nothing compared to the whole UG market that does not practically put any effort into testing at all. We do!

We have a good lab in China and in EU where we have always been testing the raws at. Meso will be testing there soon as well. Body Of Science has released the Underground ANABOLICS book testing in this lab too. Still my reports from these labs have been questioned by members here so I decided may be I could find a better place with more detailed reports. That was a mistake. Any report I post will be questioned so I will stop here and return to EU and previous Chinese lab. In fact, the "Chinese lab" is a branch of the USA based laboratory. It's a big name in the States as well and there are not many branches of US labs in China. Anyone can guess the name, I won't post it here. So any questions you will have towards future reports I will still forward them and try to get the best answer for you since I'm not a chemist. But there is nothing I can do to the lab if you don't like the "retention time" or similar details.

Merry Christmas, boys and girls! May the Love and Peace of Christmas surround you always.