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Never Recovered From Steroids - Teen
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lightmetal08
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I think the question is more like, who tf gave a 16 yr old winstrol?
whitesox95
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Okay so for example, a reference range of 348 – 1197 ng/dl (nanograms per decilitre) for total testosterone levels as a measurement. My TOTAL testosterone level was 138 ng/dl. So that is well below the cutoff at 348. On my second blood test, they checked my FREE testosterone level and it was 13.8 on a range of 8.7-27.9.
So, my total test, 138, is far below average. My free test, 13.8, is just about average. There is no doubt my testosterone is low. I am awaiting another test. I will post the other stats. My doctor said I was in the normal range because he only had the results from my second test (13.8). I told him about my first test (138) and he said that is very low and ordered me a new blood test so he could see if it is true.
When you get the results post the whole thing. Meaning take a picture of it. Hopefully he is checking LH and FSH. That is very important
BUT block out your name when u post it lol
deadshot3673
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Hey dude I'm in a similar situation as you. I'm 19, but I have low testosterone without having tried any steroids in the past. My advice to you, if you really don't want to be put on TRT, is to try Clomid.
In my experience, HCG is not strong enough to raise your testosterone high enough. When I tried it it raised me from 370 to about 450. So nothing significant there. The thing about Clomid, however, is it can sometimes have nasty side effects. For me it intensified my depression, causing suicidal thoughts (look up Clomid and depression and you'll find a ton of stories). However, Clomid did raise my testosterone. I would suggest starting off at a low dose of 12.5 mg every other day. Clomid is a pill that is made for women's fertility, and being in that the pill itself is half estrogen. So, managing estrogen while on Clomid can be a pain in the ass.
If you're really looking for the root cause, I would suggest getting your thyroid checked (TSH, T3, T4, thyroid antibodies) via blood test. Hypothyroidism can cause hypogonadism.
Also, sleep apnea and other sleep disorders can cause low T. So consider getting a sleep study. However, take things one step at a time and don't try to solve everything at once. It's taken me over a year to finally get on TRT and I'm still waiting on my sleep study.
Best of luck and feel free to PM me if you have questions.
In my experience, HCG is not strong enough to raise your testosterone high enough. When I tried it it raised me from 370 to about 450. So nothing significant there. The thing about Clomid, however, is it can sometimes have nasty side effects. For me it intensified my depression, causing suicidal thoughts (look up Clomid and depression and you'll find a ton of stories). However, Clomid did raise my testosterone. I would suggest starting off at a low dose of 12.5 mg every other day. Clomid is a pill that is made for women's fertility, and being in that the pill itself is half estrogen. So, managing estrogen while on Clomid can be a pain in the ass.
If you're really looking for the root cause, I would suggest getting your thyroid checked (TSH, T3, T4, thyroid antibodies) via blood test. Hypothyroidism can cause hypogonadism.
Also, sleep apnea and other sleep disorders can cause low T. So consider getting a sleep study. However, take things one step at a time and don't try to solve everything at once. It's taken me over a year to finally get on TRT and I'm still waiting on my sleep study.
Best of luck and feel free to PM me if you have questions.
whitesox95
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Yeah I've heard about clomid... I was considering it. Does it restore your test levels or is it also something you have to be on for the rest of your life?
Also, are you on TRT and why did you choose that route at 19?
deadshot3673
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It's kinda experimental so unfortunately I can't say for sure what it does. For me, however, when i was on high dose clomid (50mg 3x week) I was miserable. My testosterone level was 1200 and but my estrogen was hard to control even while on high dose anastrozole. When I took the initiative and lowered my clomid dose (because i was so miserable) then my testosterone levels started to drop to about 550 (when i started at 370). So, for me, the clomid would not have restarted me permanently and I would have to be on it for life. So, instead I am trying other methods of TRT. I'm on pellets now but will probably end up on injections in the future. I'm on TRT at a young age because having low T makes me miserable. I have bad anxiety, terrible depression (with suicidal tendencies), no libido, fatigue, yada yada yada. For me, going on TRT was a move of desperation and I don't regret it at all. I only wish I had started off on injections.
If you're worried about not being able to have kids then theres options for you to consider. You can keep your testes somewhat alive by using HCG while on treatment. Or, when ready to have a kid, you can do a short run of clomid to get some sperm generated. Then you can impregnate your wife and hop back on TRT.
In your situation, I would recommend trying clomid, but don't stay on that shit for 9 months like I did when it clearly wasn't working. Give it like 3 months and if you see no improvement in systems then I would say fuck it and move to TRT. I would also recommend NOT suffering for the next 10 years while you're waiting to have a kid. If your symptoms are legitimately bothering you then try to find someone to prescribe you TRT.
master.on
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Clomid can help
but it ain't something you want to be on for a long time
Clomid/Nolva visual side effects can become permanent or hard to revers from long term use.
Try HCG instead
Studies show HCG is safe for long term use
The effects of long-term (14-120 months) hCG-treatment of 17 male patients affected by isolated hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism (IHH) on testicular volume, plasma testosterone levels, and sperm concentration were assessed. Mean testicular volume increased from 3.8 +/- 0.2 (Mean +/- SEM) ml to a maximal of 14.9 +/- 1.1 ml after 22.2 +/- 2.3 months of hCG treatment. Maximal testicular volume correlated positively with the volume recorded before the patients had undergone any previous treatment. Testicular growth was also analysed by sorting the patients into two sub-groups according to whether their initial testicular volume was less than 4 ml (small testis subset, STS) or greater than or equal to 4 ml (large testis subset, LTS), supposedly indicating complete or partial gonadotrophin deficiency, respectively. Testicular volumes in the LTS group were always greater than those of the STS. Plasma testosterone levels reached adulthood values during hCG treatment and no statistically significant difference was detected between LTS and STS patients with IHH. Thirteen patients (70%) became sperm-positive during treatment with hCG alone; five out of eight (60%) were STS patients and eight out of nine (90%) were LTS. In addition, LTS patients always had a greater sperm output than did STS patients. Sperm concentration correlated positively with maximal testicular volume, but not with patient age, length of treatment, or initial testicular volume. The administration of hMG to eight of these patients caused an increase in testicular volume in two patients but the mean volume was not statistically different from that recorded at the end of treatment with hCG alone. Similarly, sperm concentration improved in three patients but again it did not differ significantly from that achieved in the course of hCG treatment. It is noteworthy that one patient became sperm-positive after the addition of hMG to his therapeutic regimen. Among sperm-positive patients attempting conception, seven out of 10 succeeded, two of whom were from the STS group. In summary, this study indicates that hCG alone is an effective treatment to induce complete spermiogenesis in IHH patients regardless of their initial testicular volume. However, a number of IHH patients may benefit from the addition of hMG in terms of testicular volume, sperm output, and pregnancy outcome.
Therapy with human chorionic gonadotrophin alone induces spermatogenesis in men with isolated hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism--long-term follow-up. - PubMed - NCBI
But get Estradiol blood tests (besides Testosterone)
you may need some Aromatase Inhibitor to reduce high Estrogen from HCG
but it ain't something you want to be on for a long time
Clomid/Nolva visual side effects can become permanent or hard to revers from long term use.
Try HCG instead
Studies show HCG is safe for long term use
The effects of long-term (14-120 months) hCG-treatment of 17 male patients affected by isolated hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism (IHH) on testicular volume, plasma testosterone levels, and sperm concentration were assessed. Mean testicular volume increased from 3.8 +/- 0.2 (Mean +/- SEM) ml to a maximal of 14.9 +/- 1.1 ml after 22.2 +/- 2.3 months of hCG treatment. Maximal testicular volume correlated positively with the volume recorded before the patients had undergone any previous treatment. Testicular growth was also analysed by sorting the patients into two sub-groups according to whether their initial testicular volume was less than 4 ml (small testis subset, STS) or greater than or equal to 4 ml (large testis subset, LTS), supposedly indicating complete or partial gonadotrophin deficiency, respectively. Testicular volumes in the LTS group were always greater than those of the STS. Plasma testosterone levels reached adulthood values during hCG treatment and no statistically significant difference was detected between LTS and STS patients with IHH. Thirteen patients (70%) became sperm-positive during treatment with hCG alone; five out of eight (60%) were STS patients and eight out of nine (90%) were LTS. In addition, LTS patients always had a greater sperm output than did STS patients. Sperm concentration correlated positively with maximal testicular volume, but not with patient age, length of treatment, or initial testicular volume. The administration of hMG to eight of these patients caused an increase in testicular volume in two patients but the mean volume was not statistically different from that recorded at the end of treatment with hCG alone. Similarly, sperm concentration improved in three patients but again it did not differ significantly from that achieved in the course of hCG treatment. It is noteworthy that one patient became sperm-positive after the addition of hMG to his therapeutic regimen. Among sperm-positive patients attempting conception, seven out of 10 succeeded, two of whom were from the STS group. In summary, this study indicates that hCG alone is an effective treatment to induce complete spermiogenesis in IHH patients regardless of their initial testicular volume. However, a number of IHH patients may benefit from the addition of hMG in terms of testicular volume, sperm output, and pregnancy outcome.
Therapy with human chorionic gonadotrophin alone induces spermatogenesis in men with isolated hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism--long-term follow-up. - PubMed - NCBI
But get Estradiol blood tests (besides Testosterone)
you may need some Aromatase Inhibitor to reduce high Estrogen from HCG
BirdieNumNum
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"In my experience, HCG is not strong enough to raise your testosterone high enough". - then your testicles do not work properly. It make no sense that clomid would increase testosterone to a higher level than hcg.
deadshot3673
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That's a good point, I don't really understand how that works. Maybe the Clomid just stimulated a lot more LH than the HCG could act as..because that was my experience lol
BirdieNumNum
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Even so..... clomid are MIND DESTROYERS not good 
deadshot3673
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never again will i go on that drug..jesus christ it was awful..estrogen went through the fucking roof..I'll only go back on if its the only way that i can have kids in the futureEven so..... clomid are MIND DESTROYERS not good
Shujaat
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Seems like the dropping of test level is either natural happens to people who don't touch juice....low test doesn't mean no children...post your blood works take a pic and post it.....winny at those doses shouldn't ideally shut you down so bad....other advice would be to relax a bit and stay positive eat well and exercise well I have seen people recovering even without pct
Shujaat
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I was shutdown for a year after using Deca for 16 weeks .....
master.on
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If you use HCG long enough
you'll testis will slowly begin responding
Do you mind sharing how did you recover?
BirdieNumNum
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master.... I merely stated that if the testis are not responding to hcg that they are not functioning properly. And yes I clearly understand that they begin to respond to hcg over time, or I would still be severely hypogonadal.
Shujaat
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Well didn't do any steroids for about 2 years ....positive mind set....a party and alcohol free life and gym no cardio every set to failure with no more then 30 mins in the gym 4 times a week....and I did start recovering in about one year + time .....recently did 500 mg test e and 400 mg tren ace 10 weeks cycle (both were ugl brands and I am thinking it was under dosed but did work well in terms strength gains) I recovered with 50 mg clomid everyday for 21 days .....
Low dose Clomid is not used enough. Wondrous drug, and while Scally hates Repros Therapeutics, I truly hope Androxal gets approved and we can make use of all the research and access to that single isomer version of Clomid!
For most people, a 6-month trial of low dose Clomid should precede any decision to commence TRT.
For most people, a 6-month trial of low dose Clomid should precede any decision to commence TRT.
deadshot3673
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IME clomid SUCKED ass and gave me terrible anxiety and depression and spiraled my estro out of control
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