New to PEDs, looking for some advice

[H91]

Hi,

Have been reading articles on this forum for some time now, but this is my first post.
Have been thinking a lot about using PEDs to improve fat loss and for strength gain.
Some background:
When I was younger was doing weightlifting regularly up to my late 20s. Currently I am approaching 51.
Then I moved to another city and settled with my gf, started new job, had kids etc... all that to say that I stopped all form of sport for 20 years
2 years back my dr discovered I had diabetes, only 5ft5 and 110Kg
So I changed my diet, started intermittent fasting and walking and lost quite a few kg down to 94. Also stopped snacking and alcohol.
Regarding diet, I have raised protein intake (fish, white meat and eggs) and split my carb intake (rice mainly) in half completing with a lot of vegetables.
After that I was prescribed semaglutide by the specialist.
I also started to go back to the gym and have been training regularly for nearly 2 years now (3x per week).
My weight went down to 76Kg. However had a big depression issue beginning of this year and has to be on neuroleptics and this fucked my diet
and of course my weight. Went up to 86Kg and even after being off neuroleptics for 2 months now, my weight is still topping at 82-83Kg
as you can imagine this won't have been an issue if that was muscles, but there is still quite a bit of stubborn fat; currently arount 18-20% body fat measured with an adipometer.
Beginning of last summer I started some AAS, Anavar for 6 weeks (20mg as pre-workout for 4 weeks, then 30mg for the next 2 weeks)
Didn't see any negative effects and found my training much easier but didn't see much strength gain except for maybe 10Kg on the squat. Recovery was very good though.
The idea was to check that the gear I had was not some counterfeit and would not create gyno, that libido and test levels were fine.

I am looking to start a new cycle of AAS with the following goals:
- fat loss ++
- strength gain ++
- muscle gain

I know that many will say that I need a test base, but I do not want to add test:
- looking a very simple cycle
- do not want to have to worry about the estradiol issue and what compounds to add to fight that
- limit own test suppression (I use B12 high dose for that)
- hate needles
- mentally not ready

I was thinking about raising Var to 50mg and add Dbol to it with Yohimbe for fat loss.
Any recommendations on that please? Can I still use this ASS cycle as pre-workout or should it be extended to a full cycle?

PS: I am looking for help not judgement

 

[Chips7]

my response is absolutely non-judgmental.

but I am convinced you haven't read the forum enough, otherwise your post would be very different.

I invite you to continue your reading and to come back with a formulation that makes sense.

good luck to you.

 

[H91]

my response is absolutely non-judgmental.

but I am convinced you haven't read the forum enough, otherwise your post would be very different.

I invite you to continue your reading and to come back with a formulation that makes sense.

good luck to you.

Thanks Chips7

I can ensure you I have been reading a lot
Can you please give me one example of a thread showing your point of view please?

 

[Chips7]

maybe from your point of view, but I assure you that you haven't read the forum enough.

I'll give you a clue, don't consider any cycle without basic testosterone.

you're looking for simplicity, but launching into this world is anything but simple. continue your research.

Thanks Chips7

I can ensure you I have been reading a lot
Can you please give me one example of a thread showing your point of view please?

 

[H91]

That's what I thought you meant

I don't disagree that a test base is the best solution.
However, I am looking not looking for the best solution but for an alternative oral only cycle one with well know side effects and if this doesn't fit my need I will most probably start a test base cycle.

My questioning is very simple:
I am going to use Anavar. From what I read stacking with Dbol might give much better results that a Var only cycle.
Do you see any issues with using let's say 50mg Anavar + 50mg Dbol cycle that might be prevalent instead of an 80-100mb Var only cycle?
I that dosing too high?
Liver assistance needed and oestrogen issues forseen?
Other oral stack than Dbol would be better?

 

[roofer22]

So you already made up your mind to do an oral only cycle and just want us to agree with that. No one going to do that because it's a terrible idea.

You're looking to take potentially very liver toxic compounds and stack them. This shows you need lots of research. Honestly if you can't handle a needle you don't deserve to use peds.

I'm not trying to be a dick. Whatever you do, try to be safe.

 

[H91]

So you already made up your mind to do an oral only cycle and just want us to agree with that. No one going to do that because it's a terrible idea.

You're looking to take potentially very liver toxic compounds and stack them. This shows you need lots of research. Honestly if you can't handle a needle you don't deserve to use peds.

I'm not trying to be a dick. Whatever you do, try to be safe.

That's what I have some difficulty to understand.
You don't use test alone, but do use other compounds with test.
Does that make those less liver toxic with test?

 

[roofer22]

That's what I have some difficulty to understand.
You don't use test alone, but do use other compounds with test.
Does that make those less liver toxic with test?

Orals are liver toxic because they are formulated to go through the liver twice. The truth is you should run test by itself to see how you respond before adding other compounds. Many people use test alone. What do you think trt is?

 

[H91]

Orals are liver toxic because they are formulated to go through the liver twice. The truth is you should run test by itself to see how you respond before adding other compounds. Many people use test alone. What do you think trt is?

Ok

But that doesn't reply to my question.
Also, many people use test alone, understood.
That means many don't. So they should never use oral compounds with test ?

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

So you dont want to run testosterone because of estrogen side effects, but you wanna run Dbol which produces methyl-estrogen? Thats even worse.

At your age, your natural testosterone levels will be much harder to recover from a steroid cycle even with a post cycle therapy. Anavar can still shut you down. Additionally you havent even mentioned any PCT plans.

You clearly have no idea what you are doing. If you want to lose weight, I suggest some semaglutide.

 

[H91]

So you dont want to run testosterone because of estrogen side effects, but you wanna run Dbol which produces methyl-estrogen? Thats even worse.

And that's exactlywhy I am asking for advice on how to counter that effect from Dbol. And any other suggestions to have a proper oral cycle are welcome.

On a side note, my test levels are way too high for my age and a reduction in libido is also a good thing for me (and for my wife). Everyone is different

You didn't read my initial post as I am already using semaglutide but still having some stubborn that I am unable to loose via diet.

Again, not looking on advice on test for now.
But only on how to limit the negatives of an oral cycle only.

 

[BuildABro]

As others have mentioned I would probably run Test by itself first to see how you respond and go from there. Plus at age 51 it’s highly probable you could receive a great deal of benefit from just TEST-C alone as a monotherapy anyway. This is what I started with, and it’s the most logical jumping off point. It’s likely test will be your base for everything you do moving forward.

Also you really need to get some preliminary bloodwork done so you can know where you are at on various health markers.

 

[tb82]

Hi,

Have been reading articles on this forum for some time now, but this is my first post.
Have been thinking a lot about using PEDs to improve fat loss and for strength gain.
Some background:
When I was younger was doing weightlifting regularly up to my late 20s. Currently I am approaching 51.
Then I moved to another city and settled with my gf, started new job, had kids etc... all that to say that I stopped all form of sport for 20 years
2 years back my dr discovered I had diabetes, only 5ft5 and 110Kg
So I changed my diet, started intermittent fasting and walking and lost quite a few kg down to 94. Also stopped snacking and alcohol.
Regarding diet, I have raised protein intake (fish, white meat and eggs) and split my carb intake (rice mainly) in half completing with a lot of vegetables.
After that I was prescribed semaglutide by the specialist.
I also started to go back to the gym and have been training regularly for nearly 2 years now (3x per week).
My weight went down to 76Kg. However had a big depression issue beginning of this year and has to be on neuroleptics and this fucked my diet
and of course my weight. Went up to 86Kg and even after being off neuroleptics for 2 months now, my weight is still topping at 82-83Kg
as you can imagine this won't have been an issue if that was muscles, but there is still quite a bit of stubborn fat; currently arount 18-20% body fat measured with an adipometer.
Beginning of last summer I started some AAS, Anavar for 6 weeks (20mg as pre-workout for 4 weeks, then 30mg for the next 2 weeks)
Didn't see any negative effects and found my training much easier but didn't see much strength gain except for maybe 10Kg on the squat. Recovery was very good though.
The idea was to check that the gear I had was not some counterfeit and would not create gyno, that libido and test levels were fine.

I am looking to start a new cycle of AAS with the following goals:
- fat loss ++
- strength gain ++
- muscle gain

I know that many will say that I need a test base, but I do not want to add test:
- looking a very simple cycle
- do not want to have to worry about the estradiol issue and what compounds to add to fight that
- limit own test suppression (I use B12 high dose for that)
- hate needles
- mentally not ready

I was thinking about raising Var to 50mg and add Dbol to it with Yohimbe for fat loss.
Any recommendations on that please? Can I still use this ASS cycle as pre-workout or should it be extended to a full cycle?

PS: I am looking for help not judgement

I suspect you would benefit the most from stacking various peptides first to possibly help with metabolism, general health etc. but many of those require injections.

You said you were on Semaglutide...you using the oral or injectable? B12 high dose....are you not injecting this?

What is stopping you from injectable test? I'm not terribly familiar with the transdermal options but they do exist.

I'm not judging (in fact my life story...though not exactly like yours...at least has some comparable similarities) but there is no way you are going to find advice on oral steroid stacking that will be rational or logical for what you are seeking.

If you wanted some more help, starting with blood work that looks at lipids, E2, PSA,. IGF-1 etc. along with CBC/Comp may at least yield some more input from the veterans around here. However,.the judgement will be because the orals (and even the test derivative injectables) are not to be dabbled in lightly and the people most informed on these simply do not use them for fat loss in the way you are proposing.

Comments here so far are spot on. I have some Dbol on hand for the express purpose of raising my E2.

Blood work every 1-2 months has helped me see the impacts of what I "dabble" with but I have gone very slow and steady and in no way would start to try and give you advice on anabolics in the manner you are hoping to use them.

Your question is valid...but orals simply are not to be trifled with especially as you get older. Yes, they can be used but they're definitely not the a base of a cycle you are proposing. Good luck!

 

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[RekTest]

Where do these var only cycles come from jesus…

Var is going to shut you down, your test is going to tank and you will feel like shit, thats why you NEED test as a base.
I can guarantee when your test tanks you will make no progress and might even go 10 steps backwards.
Var barely makes gains itself, I cant imagine making anything with it on 0 natty test

 

[Chips7]

I don't understand why you're all trying to help a guy who hasn't invested in doing the right research.

helping others is one thing, but chewing on someone else's work accomplishes nothing.

 

[RekTest]

I don't understand why you're all trying to help a guy who hasn't invested in doing the right research.

helping others is one thing, but chewing on someone else's work accomplishes nothing.

When people do research they are gonna see this thread, so hopefully having some good advise in it will help future people.

 

[Chips7]

When people do research they are gonna see this thread, so hopefully having some good advise in it will help future people.

This has already been repeated 100 times, you simply feed people's laziness.

 

[RekTest]

This has already been repeated 100 times, you simply feed people's laziness.

If you want to be like that, technically everything on this forum has been repeat 100k over, why is anyone here then

 

[H91]

As others have mentioned I would probably run Test by itself first to see how you respond and go from there. Plus at age 51 it’s highly probable you could receive a great deal of benefit from just TEST-C alone as a monotherapy anyway. This is what I started with, and it’s the most logical jumping off point. It’s likely test will be your base for everything you do moving forward.

Also you really need to get some preliminary bloodwork done so you can know where you are at on various health markers.

Testosterone ........................................ 957,33 ng/dL 240,20 to 870,70 ng/dl

Not sure I need a TRT for now. But that is definitely something I will look into later.
I do bloodwork regularly as anyway I need to verify triglyceride, cholesterol, creatinine, etc.. due to diabetes.
Creatinine is always just above the limit, but that has always been the case for me. Cholesterol is a bit high but nothing alarming.
Everything else is normal.
When I use Var I was thinking that this might show in the bloodwork, but apart from triglycerides a bit high, didn't see or feel any side effects