Number Theory

[$BlackBeard]

I am a pretty funny guy. When I notice a lot of psychology in a product and I "fall for it" then I feel intellectually inferior HAHA.

Yeah and they have so many "influencers" in the social media spreading the message that this and that is cool. Hydro flasks? Fox backpack? Starbucks? Uggs(sp?) And whatever else it is that teenage to young adults have to adhere to "style" to be in the in-crowd... It's all perpetuated by the media, and gotta buy diamonds on Valentine's day. Just one of the most expensive precious metals that we have... I wonder whose idea that was? Sure as hell wasn't no middle American.

Can you imagine how much a diamond company pays Hollywood to make diamonds appear in special moments in their shows and movies?

This is know as social proof. If you're not familiar with that term, maybe "me too" or "FOMO" is a better one. Amazon posotove reviews of products, which I'n fact I rely upon quite often whether right or wrong. It shows up here: we are more likely to believe/follow those how have a high post count over those that do not.

I am not advocating that this is an incorrect course of action. I'm simply stating that you are being influenced and you should try and understand when and how you are being influenced.

It's currently manifesting itself in the news media organizations and also the scientific community. However, these are topics of debate for other places and other times.

 

[$BlackBeard]

For Thanksgiving!

Temperature is really cool because it isn't really a "thing" but rather a measure of atom's movement.

I have not watched this yet, but I can guess is says there is no measured upper limit to temperature but there is a measured lower limit

 

[$BlackBeard]

This is know as social proof. If you're not familiar with that term, maybe "me too" or "FOMO" is a better one. Amazon posotove reviews of products, which I'n fact I rely upon quite often whether right or wrong. It shows up here: we are more likely to believe/follow those how have a high post count over those that do not.

I am not advocating that this is an incorrect course of action. I'm simply stating that you are being influenced and you should try and understand when and how you are being influenced.

It's currently manifesting itself in the news media organizations and also the scientific community. However, these are topics of debate for other places and other times.

Typing on my phone sucks today - sorry.
Amazon positive reviews. Those who have a high post count.

 

[Sworder]

This is know as social proof. If you're not familiar with that term, maybe "me too" or "FOMO" is a better one. Amazon positive reviews of products, which I'n fact I rely upon quite often whether right or wrong. It shows up here: we are more likely to believe/follow those how have a high post count over those that do not.

I wasn't familiar with the term. There are too many examples to list!

I am not advocating that this is an incorrect course of action. I'm simply stating that you are being influenced and you should try and understand when and how you are being influenced.

I think the quality of life could be improved for the average American if we would lay down rules and limit how marketing is done.

Everybody gets the same "template" on how they they are to present their product or service in X amount of words. Everything black and white, in a particular font and very plain.

It's currently manifesting itself in the news media organizations and also the scientific community. However, these are topics of debate for other places and other times.

I see it too unfortunately...

 

[Sworder]

Typing on my phone sucks today - sorry.
Amazon positive reviews. Those who have a high post count.

Yeah and those types of things have been around for a long time.

Before it was all about being first in the phone book, or multiple false listing in the phone book. Hence "AAA" so they would be the first company on the list...

Human greed has always been there and will always be, it's form is the only thing that changes.

 

[$BlackBeard]

I think the quality of life could be improved for the average American if we would lay down rules and limit how marketing is done.

Everybody gets the same "template" on how they they are to present their product or service in X amount of words. Everything black and white, in a particular font and very plain.

I don't agree with this as I believe this moves us closer to an autocratic society. What you are describing is FDA nutrition labels (and not as well known prescription drug inserts) which IMO are dubious in their intended purposes - consumer protection. I believe there are more for liability prevention.

I think it's perfectly acceptable for companies to market their products and services any way they want as long as they are not violating any legal statutes or being deceptive. You can argue the lines get blurred here - ok. But, as consumers, we have to be educated as well. It's not a one way street. I trade my money for a good or service that I think will benefit me. I will continue to do so unless a find another company offering a substitute at a better price. As long as we are in a free market this will continue.

 

[Sworder]

I don't agree with this as I believe this moves us closer to an autocratic society.

Yeah, that's kind of what I want though. Well, I want a group of people to decide what is best for the people and then everybody has to follow it.

I had a discussion with some chiropractors about vaccines, they are all against vaccines for some reason. They were all MDs so that confused me a little but I told them. Yes, I like that the government decides that we are required this and that vaccine because that is the best for us as a society.

I don't think it is best that people get to choose everything on their own. At a certain point(11 billion) we are going to have to do population control. That's not a maybe...

Vaccines are actually a great example, because the "anti-vaxxers" could arguably be harming themselves or be on the brink of creating some minor pandemics(love this word.) The lines get blurry of where to intervene and where not to.

My opinion on this is starting to change quite dramatically. Before I was all about "Do what you want with your body." And I am not trying to convince you. It's just the way I write, I have a habit of being very "persuasive."

What you are describing is FDA nutrition labels

Oh yeah! That's almost exactly how I want advertisements to look. It should be a "fill in the blank" form:

I am selling this product ___Coca Cola___. The product is _16oz_ presented in a[n] __18oz_glass bottle_ with the following dimensions XXXX. The purpose of the product is ___refreshment beverage__.

Something like that, extremely dry and no colors or anything can be used. No logos for companies, nothing!

I think it's perfectly acceptable for companies to market their products and services any way they want as long as they are not violating any legal statutes or being deceptive.

That's the thing, how can you NOT be deceptive to try to make a couple extra bucks?
I think it was @MaxVolume that said "if you’re not cheating, you’re not trying." Pretty similar principle here.

But, as consumers, we have to be educated as well.

That's my huge issue!!! Who is educating us about these types of tricks that the huge corporations do on us to make us buy their product?

Hydroflasks. I don't know if I should say dumbest or smartest concept ever, it's a water bottle.

Did somebody sit and educate the 13 year old girl about "social proof" and why she is wanting to have a $60 water bottle? That she doesn't really "want it" and that it is just because of peer pressure?

And even if you did, can 100% of the population understand these concepts? - When I ask this question, visualize Wal-Mart on Black Friday. When you do that, the answer is simply "No."

 

[Brotato]

I want a group of people to decide what is best for the people and then everybody has to follow it.

And who decides who these groups are comprised of? Is it for life? A term? What if they decide it's best they're always in power. Slippery slope. Pretty soon you're back in the USSR waiting in line for potatoes and slop.

 

[$BlackBeard]

@Sworder points taken. I can’t respond to all above. I’ll just state I advocate more for individual freedom than government control.

I also want this thread to stay on point to numbers

 

[flenser]

Yeah, that's kind of what I want though. Well, I want a group of people to decide what is best for the people and then everybody has to follow it.

I had a discussion with some chiropractors about vaccines, they are all against vaccines for some reason. They were all MDs so that confused me a little but I told them. Yes, I like that the government decides that we are required this and that vaccine because that is the best for us as a society.

I don't think it is best that people get to choose everything on their own. At a certain point(11 billion) we are going to have to do population control. That's not a maybe...

Vaccines are actually a great example, because the "anti-vaxxers" could arguably be harming themselves or be on the brink of creating some minor pandemics(love this word.) The lines get blurry of where to intervene and where not to.

My opinion on this is starting to change quite dramatically. Before I was all about "Do what you want with your body." And I am not trying to convince you. It's just the way I write, I have a habit of being very "persuasive."


Oh yeah! That's almost exactly how I want advertisements to look. It should be a "fill in the blank" form:

I am selling this product ___Coca Cola___. The product is _16oz_ presented in a[n] __18oz_glass bottle_ with the following dimensions XXXX. The purpose of the product is ___refreshment beverage__.

Something like that, extremely dry and no colors or anything can be used. No logos for companies, nothing!



That's the thing, how can you NOT be deceptive to try to make a couple extra bucks?
I think it was @MaxVolume that said "if you’re not cheating, you’re not trying." Pretty similar principle here.


That's my huge issue!!! Who is educating us about these types of tricks that the huge corporations do on us to make us buy their product?

Hydroflasks. I don't know if I should say dumbest or smartest concept ever, it's a water bottle.

Did somebody sit and educate the 13 year old girl about "social proof" and why she is wanting to have a $60 water bottle? That she doesn't really "want it" and that it is just because of peer pressure?

And even if you did, can 100% of the population understand these concepts? - When I ask this question, visualize Wal-Mart on Black Friday. When you do that, the answer is simply "No."

A group of people to control everyone else, population control and mandatory vaccines, wow. You talk about others giving away their nature in their posts, and then you post that. I've known what you are for a while, but I didn't expect you to come right out and say it. You don't want to save people from themselves, you want to do the very opposite.

 

[Sworder]

A group of people to control everyone else, population control and mandatory vaccines, wow. You talk about others giving away their nature in their posts, and then you post that. I've known what you are for a while, but I didn't expect you to come right out and say it. You don't want to save people from themselves, you want to do the very opposite.

What do you mean? Don't put words in my mouth please, ask a question and I will answer it properly.

Did you want to give your opinion on the matter? Do you think the government should force vaccines on people?

 

[Sworder]

@Sworder points taken. I can’t respond to all above. I’ll just state I advocate more for individual freedom than government control.

I also want this thread to stay on point to numbers

Haha yeah, as you can tell I tend to write more and more to each thing you say until I am writing a couple pages long to you. I don't know what my problem is, it's almost like a compulsion? Maybe I just like talking to people on the internet?!?!

You are a cool dude!

 

[flenser]

What do you mean? Don't put words in my mouth please, ask a question and I will answer it properly.

Here, I will use your own words...

... I want a group of people to decide what is best for the people and then everybody has to follow it.
...

I don't think it is best that people get to choose everything on their own. At a certain point(11 billion) we are going to have to do population control. That's not a maybe...
...

Vaccines are actually a great example, because the "anti-vaxxers" could arguably be harming themselves or be on the brink of creating some minor pandemics(love this word.) The lines get blurry of where to intervene and where not to.

That's where I got what I believe you want. Population control requires either killing a lot of people (outright murder, or limiting their lifespans), or preventing people from having children. In either case forced vaccines are an ideal "solution", one might even call it a final solution. I didn't even take your words out of context as you were doing in the wife beating thread.

Did you want to give your opinion on the matter?

Pretty sure I already gave my opinion on the mater.

Do you think the government should force vaccines on people?

I think "the government" is a weasel term that avoids the reality of having "a group of people" in control of everyone else. Do you think Jinping should decide what's best for everyone? How about Putin? How about Maduro? Trudeau? Merkel? Trump? What if they all got together and formed a group? Would that make them better able to decide your fate?

 

[Sworder]

Here, I will use your own words...

Yes, I stand by those statements! They are separate ideas though, the paragraphs.. I didn't say I want a group of people do decide on population control, population control is coming!

You make it sound like I am speaking about something that won't happen? Read up about it if you need to! 11 billion is max!

That's where I got what I believe you want. Population control requires either killing a lot of people (outright murder, or limiting their lifespans), or preventing people from having children. In either case forced vaccines are an ideal "solution", one might even call it a final solution. I didn't even take your words out of context as you were doing in the wife beating thread.

This time you didn't take my words out of context, yes, thank you.

However you are still not sharing your opinion, I don't know what you think and that's why I am chatting with you believe it or not. You did state that "forced vaccines are an ideal solution." So I guess you agree with me about that point but are still arguing with me or what's the deal?
Are you in a bad mood today? I read some more from that Carl Lewis book, it's hard to read. Reminds me of a fancy pants high up theological scholar that is way to fine for common folk

Pretty sure I already gave my opinion on the mater.

It went over my head or I missed it. Care to show the post?

How do you think the population control will happen?

Are vaccines supposed to get forced on people by the government?

I think "the government" is a weasel term that avoids the reality of having "a group of people" in control of everyone else.

Well, I would call what we have currently "a group of people that control a group of politicians."

Do you think Jinping should decide what's best for everyone? How about Putin? How about Maduro? Trudeau? Merkel? Trump? What if they all got together and formed a group? Would that make them better able to decide your fate?

Yeah, I mean that is what I said.
Not those political leaders specifically but if we are going to have a system it would be something like that! I would want there to be a group of people that decide for the rest of us dumb folk. Also, you make it sound like we are "free" currently...

 

[$BlackBeard]

Haha yeah, as you can tell I tend to write more and more to each thing you say until I am writing a couple pages long to you. I don't know what my problem is, it's almost like a compulsion? Maybe I just like talking to people on the internet?!?!

Maybe like you just talking to people in general irrespective of where it takes place? That's how I am and I have a lot of interaction during the course of the day and this is one medium that I incorporated recently. I just simply don't have time or carpel tunnel endurance to expand at length on certain subjects.

You are a cool dude!

Thanks random internet guy!

 

[Sworder]

And who decides who these groups are comprised of? Is it for life? A term? What if they decide it's best they're always in power. Slippery slope. Pretty soon you're back in the USSR waiting in line for potatoes and slop.

Great question! I haven't gotten that far in my thinking.

Well actually now that I am thinking about it. I would like three or five groups of people that decide for us.
One group of people leaves too much room for corruption. Not saying that multiple groups will eliminate that but I think that is preferable to the alternative. How long are they "in power..." I don't know...

In regards to who chooses that group... Popular vote? No I don't think the majority of people know what is best for them... I don't have the answer for that.

Yes I agree, I am describing something that sounds communistic or fascistic. However I don't view our current situation as very free neither. America has been described as a free-range tax farm.

What do you think? Got any ideas on any improvements? I don't think there is a right or wrong answer. Just opinions.

 

[flenser]

Yes, I stand by those statements! They are separate ideas though, the paragraphs.. I didn't say I want a group of people do decide on population control, population control is coming!

You said, "..we are going to have to do population control". I took we to mean "a group of people". If you had something else in mind, do tell.

You make it sound like I am speaking about something that won't happen? Read up about it if you need to! 11 billion is max!

Every advanced culture voluntarily reduces its birth rate voluntarily, usually through social norms. The population explosion is happening in less advanced cultures. All "we" have to do is to stop dropping bombs on them, and to stop the politicians from letting them flood into our country. They can take care of their own.

This time you didn't take my words out of context, yes, thank you.

I haven't ever, though you practically made it into an art form in the other thread. I'm not complaining. It was funny as hell.

However you are still not sharing your opinion, I don't know what you think and that's why I am chatting with you believe it or not. You did state that "forced vaccines are an ideal solution." So I guess you agree with me about that point but are still arguing with me or what's the deal?

Nope, calling forced vaccines an ideal method of murder does not mean I support it. My opinion is the individual is soverign over himself and his property. I'm against any intrusion through force or fraud.

Are you in a bad mood today? I read some more from that Carl Lewis book, it's hard to read. Reminds me of a fancy pants high up theological scholar that is way to fine for common folk

No, I'm in a good mood. I was picking on you because you're such an easy mark, and because I like to argue. BTW, Lewis also wrote the Chronicles of Narnia. Great books if you're into fantasy.

It went over my head or I missed it. Care to show the post?

I was referring to my opinion on what you support, that being population control through evil means.

How do you think the population control will happen?

The way things are looking, I expect some wealthy groups backed by government to kill or sterilize a lot of people in 3rd world countries. It won't be population control, not really, just mass murder.

Are vaccines supposed to get forced on people by the government?

They already are. Or do you mean do I support it? I still rememeber in the 70's whole nursing home populations dying off right after flu vaccinations were given. But the FDA, "a group of people", had already decided the vaccines were safe, so no one even got sued. That has been scrubbed from the internet so succesfully, you can't find mention of it anywhere but anti vaccine sites, but I have personal memories of it.

Well, I would call what we have currently "a group of people that control a group of politicians."



Yeah, I mean that is what I said.

Not those political leaders specifically but if we are going to have a system it would be something like that! I would want there to be a group of people that decide for the rest of us dumb folk.

So @Brotato asked who decides who gets to be in these decider groups. Do you have any ideas on how to prevent corruption, stupidity and sloth from dominating these groups? Any ideas on how to keep them from being controlled by others? Every government or group of people I know of or have studied were corrupt in proportion to the power they held.

Also, you make it sound like we are "free" currently...

You have no clue just how free you are. I hope you never find out.

 

[Brotato]

You said, "..we are going to have to do population control". I took we to mean "a group of people". If you had something else in mind, do tell.



Every advanced culture voluntarily reduces its birth rate voluntarily, usually through social norms. The population explosion is happening in less advanced cultures. All "we" have to do is to stop dropping bombs on them, and to stop the politicians from letting them flood into our country. They can take care of their own.



I haven't ever, though you practically made it into an art form in the other thread. I'm not complaining. It was funny as hell.



Nope, calling forced vaccines an ideal method of murder does not mean I support it. My opinion is the individual is soverign over himself and his property. I'm against any intrusion through force or fraud.



No, I'm in a good mood. I was picking on you because you're such an easy mark, and because I like to argue. BTW, Lewis also wrote the Chronicles of Narnia. Great books if you're into fantasy.



I was referring to my opinion on what you support, that being population control through evil means.



The way things are looking, I expect some wealthy groups backed by government to kill or sterilize a lot of people in 3rd world countries. It won't be population control, not really, just mass murder.



They already are. Or do you mean do I support it? I still rememeber in the 70's whole nursing home populations dying off right after flu vaccinations were given. But the FDA, "a group of people", had already decided the vaccines were safe, so no one even got sued. That has been scrubbed from the internet so succesfully, you can't find mention of it anywhere but anti vaccine sites, but I have personal memories of it.



So @Brotato asked who decides who gets to be in these decider groups. Do you have any ideas on how to prevent corruption, stupidity and sloth from dominating these groups? Any ideas on how to keep them from being controlled by others? Every government or group of people I know of or have studied were corrupt in proportion to the power they held.



You have no clue just how free you are. I hope you never find out.

@Sworder
a true democracy would be majority vote decisions on everything. in usa we operate with a republic, elected officials serve a term and are voted in by people in hopes they progress their best interest.

this system even with checks and balances and terms still leads to major corruption, more left of this is socialist society, yeah the cliche on paper thing applies. the utopian society never comes to fruition and the elected leaders always decide their interest are more important than the interest of the people.

my true belief is the closer to an anarchic majority rules the better. I settle for libertarianism.

 

[Sworder]

You said, "..we are going to have to do population control". I took we to mean "a group of people". If you had something else in mind, do tell.

I meant we as in all Humans just. It's a topic that will need to get addressed, well it is getting addressed currently but we don't know about it.

Every advanced culture voluntarily reduces its birth rate voluntarily, usually through social norms. The population explosion is happening in less advanced cultures. All "we" have to do is to stop dropping bombs on them, and to stop the politicians from letting them flood into our country. They can take care of their own.

I don't know if I would agree with saying that it has been "voluntarily."
I am not very religious so correct me if I am wrong but the Church decided to not have sex before marriage as a means to control population and STDs from spreading. Is that correct?

I haven't ever, though you practically made it into an art form in the other thread. I'm not complaining. It was funny as hell.

Nope, calling forced vaccines an ideal method of murder does not mean I support it. My opinion is the individual is soverign over himself and his property. I'm against any intrusion through force or fraud.

Do you recognize that the people whom choose not to vaccinate themselves create a threat towards others humans? Do you think that is "right?"

I assume that since you say you are against any intrusion through force or fraud that you are extremely anti-government. You don't believe in laws?

No, I'm in a good mood. I was picking on you because you're such an easy mark, and because I like to argue. BTW, Lewis also wrote the Chronicles of Narnia. Great books if you're into fantasy.

Yeah I am aware, I think the Harry Potter lady drew great inspiration from Lewis too, both Christians IIRC.

I was referring to my opinion on what you support, that being population control through evil means.

Evil is a tricky word to use. I would argue it is evil to overpopulate the world, I could also argue it is evil to keep people from having a family.

The way things are looking, I expect some wealthy groups backed by government to kill or sterilize a lot of people in 3rd world countries. It won't be population control, not really, just mass murder.

USA was sterilizing disabled and colored people back in the 1940s. Didn't get as much attention though because of that German dude, also we don't like to really look at our own past.

I still rememeber in the 70's whole nursing home populations dying off right after flu vaccinations were given. But the FDA, "a group of people", had already decided the vaccines were safe, so no one even got sued. That has been scrubbed from the internet so succesfully, you can't find mention of it anywhere but anti vaccine sites, but I have personal memories of it.

Sounds like you are against vaccines. Yes, some people will have a bad reaction to the vaccines. Small price to pay, it's either let a hundred people die or let millions.

So @Brotato asked who decides who gets to be in these decider groups. Do you have any ideas on how to prevent corruption, stupidity and sloth from dominating these groups? Any ideas on how to keep them from being controlled by others? Every government or group of people I know of or have studied were corrupt in proportion to the power they held.

Yeah, I was thinking about it during my walk today. So here is my set up for how I would like things.
Laws would get determined by multiple groups of people. There would be three, five or maybe seven groups of officials.

Those officials would have to apply for the position. There would be extremely strict criteria for the applicants. From High School there would be aptitude tests where you have to have an IQ of 130 or 150+ to even by considered in the first place. After that you would go through 10-20 years of education regarding anything that is pertinent to ruling a country.

The level of scrutiny would be extreme, there would a multiple teams of psychologists and other professionals that would constantly be swapped out and training these individuals. And the applicants would have to have a flawless background. Not as much as a third cousin smoking weed once.. And any event in the family would disqualify you.

Also, some of the laws that would be in place. Employees such as people at the grocery store and all that would be considered similar to how you would treat government officials today. If a civilian would yell or pester any employee it would be punishable by death or maybe we could use Alaska for a sort of "prison peninsula." . If you want to yell at people and be an a$$hole you can either choose death or go to Alaska and plant trees for the rest of your life. Harsh punishments and if you don't like acting civilized then get the fuck out. Simple

My friend is in Malaysia and in the immigration office they have a sign stating if you are abusive to the personnel you will get imprisoned and deported immediately. There was also an officer with a shotgun by the door. I want similar rules here in the US.

You have no clue just how free you are. I hope you never find out.

You have no clue how controlled you are. I don't think you will ever find out how egregiously mistaken you are. - Btw, I love when people give two opposite statements to each other and both people believe that they are 100% right. It's hilarious to me.

 

[Sworder]

@Sworder
a true democracy would be majority vote decisions on everything. in usa we operate with a republic, elected officials serve a term and are voted in by people in hopes they progress their best interest.

I know, a lot of people think USA is a democracy

this system even with checks and balances and terms still leads to major corruption, more left of this is socialist society, yeah the cliche on paper thing applies. the utopian society never comes to fruition and the elected leaders always decide their interest are more important than the interest of the people.

I agree.

my true belief is the closer to an anarchic majority rules the better. I settle for libertarianism.

In regards to the subject of vaccines, not the BS ones... Do you think people should have a choice in the matter?