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[AlexDavis43]

blood work is way more reliable anyway.

Which blood test?

I haven't payed too much attention to serum GH assays as they seem to be more like a quick and dirty test of the GH in your vial (and even then, only if the test is done right). And we have plenty Jano tests which are better for this.

I've been following people's IGF-1 tests, trying to make sense of the clusterfuck of IGF-1 response to hGH.

Also IGF-1 response to NGENLA but there are only like 3 members on it and we don't have many data yet (bodybuilding context).

 

[Ateam2023]

with hgh and all its variations its hard to put a thumb on it as far as igf numbers etc

 

[Sagnastymuscle]

Which blood test?

I haven't payed too much attention to serum GH assays as they seem to be more like a quick and dirty test of the GH in your vial (and even then, only if the test is done right). And we have plenty Jano tests which are better for this.

I've been following people's IGF-1 tests, trying to make sense of the clusterfuck of IGF-1 response to hGH.

Also IGF-1 response to NGENLA but there are only like 3 members on it and we don't have many data yet (bodybuilding context).

i get that it’s skewed all over the board when it comes to igf1 tests I was mostly saying it’s more reliable to tell that your atleast on hgh, I took a serum test for my baseline but have not taken a serum test since running growth so I’m not really gonna speak on that I don’t know much about that test.

It is strange I feel like the variables need to be perfect if getting bloods done, and even then they can come back with poor readings I can really only speak for my self until I end up getting a bad test or testing at the wrong time and getting a poor reading as far as reliability is concerned.
That aside there is always hplc testing and I feel like there can never be enough of that done privately by consumers outside of the labs testing there products

 

[Sagnastymuscle]

Also IGF-1 response to NGENLA but there are only like 3 members on it and we don't have many data yet (bodybuilding context).

I’d be curious if this would lead to unstable serum blood levels

 

[Sagnastymuscle]

update will come when it touches down but I got some primo, and Npp coming never ran primo for a legitimate length of time before so now I’ll finally be able to see how much better it works for me then masteron.

 

[tcri]

Picked up some Grey's. Took longer than expected, but in reasonable time, was not worried d/t optis history as far as my searches have indicated. Did not contact after order completed. Just waited and everything arrived packaged well. Thanks opti.

 

[AlexDavis43]

I’d be curious if this would lead to unstable serum blood levels

GH seems to spike on NGENLA and drops off but IGF-1 seems more stable. Again this is only going off 1 guy here (xeonmaster?) and Chase Irons' recent video. Turkish just started taking it but hasn't done bloodwork yet. Need more data.

 

[Akimopio]

How long is it currently taking to get current orders sent?

 

[Evom1]

update will come when it touches down but I got some primo, and Npp coming never ran primo for a legitimate length of time before so now I’ll finally be able to see how much better it works for me then masteron.

Primo hands down is the best thing I've ever taken to pack on size but fuck the soreness from injections sucks haha

 

[Doesntmatter]

Primo hands down is the best thing I've ever taken to pack on size but fuck the soreness from injections sucks haha

I was just thinking the SAME THING! Electrical heat pads help with the soreness a bit, lidocane even otc helps but it has to be a patch of have a covering so it can absorb into the skin

 

[RekTest]

How long is it currently taking to get current orders sent?

Early sept it was around 1 wk

 

[AlexDavis43]

Primo hands down is the best thing I've ever taken to pack on size but fuck the soreness from injections sucks haha

I was just thinking the SAME THING! Electrical heat pads help with the soreness a bit, lidocane even otc helps but it has to be a patch of have a covering so it can absorb into the skin

I use an deep tissue massage gun called TimTam. Less than $100 and even if it doesn't help PIP it feels pretty good. Some people said it can help with scar tissue too.

 

[brutalbuilt]

Primo hands down is the best thing I've ever taken to pack on size but fuck the soreness from injections sucks haha

primo isnt supposed to cause pip... the source your using isnt filtering it enough times

your using dirty primo

 

[Doesntmatter]

primo isnt supposed to cause pip... the source your using isnt filtering it enough times

your using dirty primo

Well it’s from Opti… , ,

But All AAS have the potential for pip and side effects, lumps muscle soreness, etc. It really depends on the person, the product, the immune response, how long a persons been on it and if the body is getting used to it, the personal absorption rate, etc. It’s not a blanket rule that certain things won’t cause pip. But also, I think you’re thinking of burning, stinging or something like that It’s not that, I’m talking more about muscle pain and soreness day a day or so after. Not pinning pip.

 

[Doesntmatter]

I use an deep tissue massage gun called TimTam. Less than $100 and even if it doesn't help PIP it feels pretty good. Some people said it can help with scar tissue too.

Thanks! I actually have one of these, different style same thing, it can help a lot with muscle soreness but I find it hurts more sometimes and helps sometimes really depends when it comes to the . I’ve heard the scar tissue healing thing too but my friends in the medical field say it’s more to mitigate pain than actually having the ability to repair anything. It’s not gonna hurt and good to have in the arsenal I do heat, Vitamins A, C, D, Zinc, Magnesium Citrate and Peptides Nad + and BPC 157 to help the body heal itself with inflammation and helps with overall recovery.

 

[Apopkared]

Primo hands down is the best thing I've ever taken to pack on size but fuck the soreness from injections sucks haha

Was having that same issue until I switched to gso . No issues now and that’s on 200mg/ml . I do warm it up also

 

[Sagnastymuscle]

Primo hands down is the best thing I've ever taken to pack on size but fuck the soreness from injections sucks haha

I’ve used it but not long enough to see any real results. I want to see if I respond to it better then I do last, if I don’t then I’ll probably stick to mast

 

[Sagnastymuscle]

Early sept it was around 1 wk

mine took less then a week it should touch down in the next few days

 

[Sagnastymuscle]

I use an deep tissue massage gun called TimTam. Less than $100 and even if it doesn't help PIP it feels pretty good. Some people said it can help with scar tissue too.

I second that this is a good investment for anyone who has injection site soreness or knots/ scar tissue like @AlexDavis43 mentioned.
This helps me tremendously, I don’t have the same brand but any theragun should do the trick they usually come with different attachments.

 

[Doesntmatter]

I use an deep tissue massage gun called TimTam. Less than $100 and even if it doesn't help PIP it feels pretty good. Some people said it can help with scar tissue too.

Was having that same issue until I switched to gso . No issues now and that’s on 200mg/ml . I do warm it up also

Did it take you time to build up to it or just from the first injection no problems?im wondering if it just takes time for certain peoples immune system to adjust to itI’ve tried MCT and that was horrid with pain and lumps, not doing that again! I then have been trying Opti GSO Primo and still 3-4 days later I have a lump and soreness from just 150mg. It’s annoying but not as bad as MCT, I’m going to try a slightly longer needle and different site and see if that helps at all, if not ill just stick to Test for a while.. Im sick of experimenting at the moment.
I’ve tried theragun, brad and bob and anrboleaf all from Amazon. It’d say that Brad and Bob T series with this smooth metal attachment that has a head curved like a contact lens and that has been the best of the massagers, Arboleaf is a good budget option with decently strong power it’s in the under $50 range.