Package seized

[jankoch]

@a123 If You don't believe any of this then don't believe it. I'm not sure why people are so resistant to the possibility of arrest and criminal charges for acquiring illegal chemicals. I'm guessing it helps them feel better by convincing themselves that it's impossible they will get caught or in legal trouble? Yeah, odds are low if you're not a total idiot. But there is a chance. If you think it's impossible to get in trouble for doing something illegal, you're delusional. I'm not going to pretend to know the details of how that would work, but anything illegal you do there's a possibility of getting caught up in it.

I think the smart move is to conduct yourself in a very reasonable and rational way when buying UGL. Do things as stealth intelligent as possible and know that there is a chance of getting in trouble. It's not a high chance, but it's foolish to think there's no chance.

I think its needed to talk about, but its not a pleasant topic or something that increases sales:
It makes the seller feel worse and makes new sources more hesitant to start business.
Some people will just attack because of interest or straight up denial. They just don't want to acknowledge that even buying is some risk.

And makes the buyers buy less or stick to buying stuff from local sources without involving any postal trouble. (its usually worse quality and price is 2x+ but its a different topic)

 

[Ghoul]

I think its needed to talk about, but its not a pleasant topic or something that increases sales:
It makes the seller feel worse and makes new sources more hesitant to start business.
Some people will just attack because of interest or straight up denial. They just don't want to acknowledge that even buying is some risk.

And makes the buyers buy less or stick to buying stuff from local sources without involving any postal trouble. (its usually worse quality and price is 2x+ but its a different topic)

While an end user getting in trouble for buying steroids is theoretically possible, perhaps it's better to use evidence.

The evidence we have is that no one can point to anyone in the last 5 years+ having law enforcement show up at their door instead of a seizure letter for a small quantity of vials being discovered by customs (with a single oddball case where a high profile trainer shipped a box full to herself from Canada, using Fedex, who called the authorities after opening the leaking pack).

The only cases that have involved the mail were discovered by local authorities as a result of leaking vials (including the one above). Had the package been seized at the border the recipient would've been *safer*.

I could make the argument that since local authorities are the only ones who've pursued this tiny number of cases involving small quantities, and NOT Customs, it's riskier to order from domestic sources who could be under surveillance vs overseas sources where we know the worst outcome, at least for now, is a seizure letter.

 

[DECLAN]

Everyone is an expert on drug dealings in these forums lmao. Worse is people actually believe these random people giving legal advices, “yeah, its ok bro youll only get a letter you’re not Mellisa Bumstead or dude you’re going to jail 10 vials is equal to 100k dollars in street value”.

In reality, these guys won’t be around when shit happens, if it ever even happens. There’s that dude who just received his love letter from customs lately, he didn’t get charged or anything but now he is getting hassled coming back to the country, his luggage getting searched in the airport. Imagine the inconvenience lol, no legal issues but imagine getting delayed every time.

In the end of the day, it’s your choice, you’re an adult. Weigh your risk tolerance, save some money just in case of legal problems if you’re ordering lots of hgh, raws or 10+ vials of gear.

All the guys who have been caught aren’t in this boards anymore, there’s been few of them check them in Pro muscle or outlaw, there should be some record still lying around.

Anyway, in the end it doesn’t matter we are all addicts at this point, we’re not stopping even if they change gear to schedule I, for some of us it’s too late.

 

[jankoch]

While an end user getting in trouble for buying steroids is theoretically possible, perhaps it's better to use evidence.

We won't have hard evidence, we would need all the cases and see what % just got seized and what % actually got worse punishment. Its not possible to have that. So as you can just do your guess, all we can do is the same. so many psychological bias factors, even when you search for articles.

Its also very logical thing to say while in some countries they may pursue the users but they won't make it to the news. It's not an interesting case: ' in Berlin we found 10 vials of test in a postal package, then we went to do a house search, we found 3 more. After the process, the person got a 2k euro fine.

For example in the airports its daily that people try to smuggle 1-2 g of their shit on the airplane in a western country that not too harsh on them. Yet you won't see it in the news that the guy got caught with 2g of flower in their pants and got a 5k eur fine,but you will see news about the guy who tried smuggling 1kg of cocaine.
Same story. By not having these cases in online articles doesnt mean there are not many. You are not Bumstead to try to make an example out of you.

 

[a123]

@malfeasance has been around for a while and has contributed a lot of great information. You on the other hand are brand new and seem like a legitimate cunt. You have come here and contributed approximately nothing of value so far.

@a123 If You don't believe any of this then don't believe it. I'm not sure why people are so resistant to the possibility of arrest and criminal charges for acquiring illegal chemicals. I'm guessing it helps them feel better by convincing themselves that it's impossible they will get caught or in legal trouble? Yeah, odds are low if you're not a total idiot. But there is a chance. If you think it's impossible to get in trouble for doing something illegal, you're delusional. I'm not going to pretend to know the details of how that would work, but anything illegal you do there's a possibility of getting caught up in it.

I think the smart move is to conduct yourself in a very reasonable and rational way when buying UGL. Do things as stealth intelligent as possible and know that there is a chance of getting in trouble. It's not a high chance, but it's foolish to think there's no chance.

It’s a pissing match plain and simple, malfeasance and I are literally saying the same thing… I get it you’re backing your boy fine but to call me some delusional major criminal is outlandish IMO.

 

[gaylord_focker]

It’s a pissing match plain and simple, malfeasance and I are literally saying the same thing… I get it you’re backing your boy fine but to call me some delusional major criminal is outlandish IMO.

He’s a coward who’s got his profile restricted so he can feel safe talking sh** to other people on the internet. Thats basically all I see him do on here so don’t mind him

 

[gaylord_focker]

Not malfeasance the other dude uncles bunny or whatever

It’s a pissing match plain and simple, malfeasance and I are literally saying the same thing… I get it you’re backing your boy fine but to call me some delusional major criminal is outlandish IMO.

 

[malfeasance]

The evidence we have is that no one can point to anyone in the last 5 years+ having law enforcement show up at their door instead of a seizure letter for a small quantity of vials being discovered by customs (with a single oddball case where a high profile trainer shipped a box full to herself from Canada, using Fedex, who called the authorities after opening the leaking pack).

The only cases that have involved the mail were discovered by local authorities as a result of leaking vials (including the one above). Had the package been seized at the border the recipient would've been *safer*.

I could make the argument that since local authorities are the only ones who've pursued this tiny number of cases involving small quantities, and NOT Customs, it's riskier to order from domestic sources who could be under surveillance vs overseas sources where we know the worst outcome, at least for now, is a seizure letter.

I can. Just saying. Not one of them from leaking vials (I am not saying the leaking vial thing didn't happen, just that I have not personally seen that).

 

[malfeasance]

Well, I don't know if the multitalented Mr Malfeasance I also a dog trainer, but most of the conversations here are between Americans and about the US.
Sometimes I forget that, just because I enjoy the content that appears on Meso.
For us on the European continent, things will be a little (or a lot) different.
It was good that @jankoch brought a different perspective, if only for comparison and for other people reading this that are not from the US.
In general, though, this would not really be relevant to your situation.
If someone has first hand experience of this kind of thing, it's always good to share and let others know.
Of course, you will see things and make your mind up about it all, anyway.
Hope you are doing well

LOL! I am not a dog trainer, but, yes, my comments are about the US, and not even all of the US, just the majority of states where possession of steroids is a felony. I don't really know anything about other countries except for the crackdown in Sweden on bodybuilders.

 

[UncleBuns]

It’s a pissing match plain and simple, malfeasance and I are literally saying the same thing… I get it you’re backing your boy fine but to call me some delusional major criminal is outlandish IMO.

It is absolutely delusional to think that you can't get in trouble for participating in the purchase of and possessing illegal chemicals. The odds of being busted depend on who you're buying from, quantity, where you live, etc. There are members here who know quite a lot about the LE side of this world. Odds are if you do things correctly you'll be fine. But it's always smart to lean into being cautious.

He’s a coward who’s got his profile restricted so he can feel safe talking sh** to other people on the internet. Thats basically all I see him do on here so don’t mind him

Alright Lord of Gays. You totally got me figured out. I'm actually an obese gamer in my parents basement who just likes trolling on an AAS forum. There's something about you young guys who come in hot thinking you know everything, being generally obnoxious, and very confidently making ridiculous statements and bad choices that still gets to me. I do appreciate the opportunity to improve my level of patience though. I will try in this situation.

I would highly recommend that you take your hands away from the keyboard though and do about 99% more reading than typing on this form. You have a lot to learn and every minute you waste typing nonsense is a minute you could have been learning how to do things more safely and with better results. The cycles you run are absurd and very health damaging and a lot of what you post is not well informed. Obviously you're going to do what you want to do, but for your long-term health and well-being you should consider doing more reading and be open to the possibility that you are wrong about more than you realize.

 

[gaylord_focker]

Alright Lord of Gays. You totally got me figured out. I'm actually an obese gamer in my parents basement who just likes trolling on an AAS forum. There's something about you young guys who come in hot thinking you know everything, being generally obnoxious, and very confidently making ridiculous statements and bad choices that still gets to me. I do appreciate the opportunity to improve my level of patience though. I will try in this situation.

I would highly recommend that you take your hands away from the keyboard though and do about 99% more reading than typing on this form. You have a lot to learn and every minute you waste typing nonsense is a minute you could have been learning how to do things more safely and with better results. The cycles you run are absurd and very health damaging and a lot of what you post is not well informed. Obviously you're going to do what you want to do, but for your long-term health and well-being you should consider doing more reading and be open to the possibility that you are wrong about more than you realize.

Of course you’d try to backtrack & take the high road now after calling me a cunt.
But At least you can see What I post and I’m not some anonymous shill looking down on new members. If you genuinely cared about this platform like u claim and its growth you wouldn’t spend so much time bashing its new members like you’ve been doing. But It must be real easy picking apart what other people say from the safety of your little restricted account. How about you actually offer some real advice or insight instead?

Dont let your ego get in the way of being a peer. Just because you’re “well known” (for god knows what cause you can’t see your profile) doesn’t mean your better than anyone else, old or new. So maybe take your own advice, and at least take your hands off the keyboard until you step down from your pedestal.

 

[Rippidy Dippidy]

Hello, recently one of my packages containing HGH was seized. This is the first time something like this has happened to me, and I really needed this HGH. How should I go about my next order? Order under a different name? Address?
Package was seized about a week ago. How long should I wait until my next order?

What you’re suppose to do is meet the police, they will happily hand it over.

 

[Ghoul]

OP hasn't been seen in three months.

Probably have him locked up at the same secret black site CIA prison where they keep all the guys busted for buying gear from China.

 

[DECLAN]

OP hasn't been seen in three months.

Probably have him locked up at the same secret black site CIA prison where they keep all the guys busted for buying gear from China.

Nah, his mom busted him using his credit card to buy gear, probably grounded lol.

 

[Ghoul]

Nah, his mom busted him using his credit card to buy gear, probably grounded lol.

Speaking of which, we have a new Chinese supplier here on MESO who takes cards and Paypal.

They better remember to write in bold "DO NOT ENTER *STEROIDS* in "WHAT IS THIS PAYMENT FOR?" in the Paypal payment instructions lol

 

[DECLAN]

Speaking of which, we have a new Chinese supplier here on MESO who takes cards and Paypal.

They better remember to write in bold "DO NOT ENTER *STEROIDS* in "WHAT IS THIS PAYMENT FOR?" in the Paypal payment instructions lol

Dumb people be dumb lmao. Actually all there’s more than a couple who actually accept those kinds of payments already but no complaints so far.

 

[Nounred]

In DK we have several entrance points, and if my 'name' and 'adress' shows up they will open everything at this route/entrance point, (will not go into specific details on a open forum ) but you can it in via another name /adress, if it's not again, randomly pulled out for a check.

If I order some, lets's say obvious AAS, test and deca, cutoms will send a note to the police. I will get a note that I'm a 'suspect' but that they will drop the charges and destroy the items, or we can go to court, if I want to claim my products...

Have also looked inte some court charges, and it was A LOT of items/vials/ampules - so I figured I would be alright , If I only ordered small amounts

So I have tested Dk customs just for the fun of it, and to get some insight how they work.

What I know so far, if this can help anyone in DK:

Every common AAS + pills i cant get + Anastrozole, Exemestane, HCG they take.

Things customs opened but not seized:

Cabergoline, Isotretinon, Insulin (lantus), Insulin (lilly), Insulin (Kwk), Modafinil,Original Viagra ( think they take Kamagra because it is not an accepted replica).....

But like I said In DK we have several entrance points

Fellow DK user here, i have some questions about sourcing and Customs if you’re willing to help me

Nounred@protonmail.com

 

[CraneKraken]

And you don't got problems with the police or justice?
I'm wondering, because in germany, as example, after the customs seized a package with roids, the visit you very early in the morning.
I thought the steroid law in the USA is very strict...?

I've received 2 letters from customs within a 1 yr period and nothing came of it. Just a warning that pharmaceuticals purchased overseas aren't safe. Nothing else ever comes of it in the U.S., unless it's a massive load the feds want to investigate.

 

[Ghoul]

I've received 2 letters from customs within a 1 yr period and nothing came of it. Just a warning that pharmaceuticals purchased overseas aren't safe. Nothing else ever comes of it in the U.S., unless it's a massive load the feds want to investigate.

Saw a stat that said in 2022 15,000 of those letters went out for controlled substance pharmaceuticals.

 

[milkbone]

I have received a few love letters and still had packs land to the same name and address after. Even from the same vendors.

I am a little skeptical about addresses being blacklisted but everyone has their own risk tolerance, which is fine imo.

I'm on 3, and 1 seizure no letter. The address doesn't matter, the name does. Good thing I have a middle name as well as a couple of pseudonyms that look very close to local mailman but are absolutely different to a computer scanner. USPS admits that they track names, not addresses simply because people move.

As far as a warrant goes, it must state exactly where and what is to be found. Like Mr X has Testosterone suspended in oil in the safe located in the bathroom closet. Not go in and tear the place up, as that would be inadmissible. I know this because a long long time ago I was, I mean someone I know was accused of stealing a large quantity of cell phones. Knowing they didn't do it, they were easily tricked into a cop and a detective inside their home. They found objects related to cocaine sales including a lot of residue but admitted that that wasn't what they were looking for so screw it, pretty much a direct quote. All in all, my lawyer says it best - Those who don't talk walk. Never ever talk to a cop without a lawyer present, they are trained, professional liars. Don't lie, simply state that under advice of your attorney you will not answer any questions without him or her present. Stick to it too no matter what they say. Any lawyer worth a dollar will tell you the same.