Pharmaceutical vs Generic

[B Ware]

Seth Feroce

I can’t even take you serious. You’ve named dropped Seth’s name quite a bit in this thread. His YouTube video laying out a steroid cycle is probably the most ludicrous thing I’ve ever seen.

Never tried pharma but that’s because I feel as others. Why pay a premium for something when I can pay a fraction of the price for something that test nearly as well?. I also pull labs a few times a years and so far with the generics I use 1iu = 100 igf-1. As Eman stated, some swear by it where others say there’s no difference. I stay lean and full off generics and again, just can’t see paying a premium when I’m quite happy with what I have now. As the saying goes, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. I’m sure I may venture to pharma to try one day but as others have stated, there’s probably more fakes than real Pharma so there’s that as well.

I prescribed test and pick it up from Walgreens. Some here would pay a premium for pharma test and say it’s sooo much better than UGL. Got news for ya, I’ve been stock piling my pharma for months and running UGL test for my trt. My labs are the same and I feel the same. Therefore I just don’t buy into pharma is better when the two test the same.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

I can’t even take you serious. You’ve named dropped Seth’s name quite a bit in this thread. His YouTube video laying out a steroid cycle is probably the most ludicrous thing I’ve ever seen.

Never tried pharma but that’s because I feel as others. Why pay a premium for something when I can pay a fraction of the price for something that test nearly as well?. I also pull labs a few times a years and so far with the generics I use 1iu = 100 igf-1. As Eman stated, some swear by it where others say there’s no difference. I stay lean and full off generics and again, just can’t see paying a premium when I’m quite happy with what I have now. As the saying goes, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. I’m sure I may venture to pharma to try one day but as others have stated, there’s probably more fakes than real Pharma so there’s that as well.

I prescribed test and pick it up from Walgreens. Some here would pay a premium for pharma test and say it’s sooo much better than UGL. Got news for ya, I’ve been stock piling my pharma for months and running UGL test for my trt. My labs are the same and I feel the same. Therefore I just don’t buy into pharma is better when the two test the same.

I just want a scientific explanation why it's better lol.

Remember back in the day... when Pharma Test was "At least twice as good" as UGL gear.

Well, now we know better.
Testing and a better understanding of brewing/raws and just more knowledge about hormones in general have showed us that Pharma Gear and UGL gear is the same (So far as its dosed properly etc)

I am more than happy to say Pharma GH is far superior to Generic, so long as I have some actual scientific evidence.

My theory?

There is a lot of underdosed or fake Generics out there and guys are comparing it to the consistency of Pharma.
Sure, there is fake Pharma too, but MY understanding (And I could be quite wrong, please correct me if I am)

But even fake genos etc, still contain real GH (most of the time) and its accurately dosed, so the individual is still getting that hormone and getting it consistently.

Let's look at Adnan, he was selling properly dosed Pharma GH for years apparently.

No complaints until some guys found out and @biggerben69 chased him away from Meso.

That's my theory anyways,

But once again, I'm quite open to someone proving me wrong.
I actually like being proved wrong to be honest, it means I was uninformed or stupid about something and k get to learn about something cool as fuxk.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

I also have to tag @mands here.
Maybe it's a conversation you'd enjoy bro.

He is my GH Guru and I'd love his take on this.

 

[MuscleFreak]

I can’t even take you serious. You’ve named dropped Seth’s name quite a bit in this thread. His YouTube video laying out a steroid cycle is probably the most ludicrous thing I’ve ever seen.

Never tried pharma but that’s because I feel as others. Why pay a premium for something when I can pay a fraction of the price for something that test nearly as well?. I also pull labs a few times a years and so far with the generics I use 1iu = 100 igf-1. As Eman stated, some swear by it where others say there’s no difference. I stay lean and full off generics and again, just can’t see paying a premium when I’m quite happy with what I have now. As the saying goes, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. I’m sure I may venture to pharma to try one day but as others have stated, there’s probably more fakes than real Pharma so there’s that as well.

I prescribed test and pick it up from Walgreens. Some here would pay a premium for pharma test and say it’s sooo much better than UGL. Got news for ya, I’ve been stock piling my pharma for months and running UGL test for my trt. My labs are the same and I feel the same. Therefore I just don’t buy into pharma is better when the two test the same.

bro dont get me wrong, i was always using generic and right now also,i never think there would be any difference cause HGH is HGH right? until one time in prep i had extra money and go to real genos from pharmacy

 

[MuscleFreak]

I just want a scientific explanation why it's better lol.

Remember back in the day... when Pharma Test was "At least twice as good" as UGL gear.

Well, now we know better.
Testing and a better understanding of brewing/raws and just more knowledge about hormones in general have showed us that Pharma Gear and UGL gear is the same (So far as its dosed properly etc)

I am more than happy to say Pharma GH is far superior to Generic, so long as I have some actual scientific evidence.

My theory?

There is a lot of underdosed or fake Generics out there and guys are comparing it to the consistency of Pharma.
Sure, there is fake Pharma too, but MY understanding (And I could be quite wrong, please correct me if I am)

But even fake genos etc, still contain real GH (most of the time) and its accurately dosed, so the individual is still getting that hormone and getting it consistently.

Let's look at Adnan, he was selling properly dosed Pharma GH for years apparently.

No complaints until some guys found out and @biggerben69 chased him away from Meso.

That's my theory anyways,

But once again, I'm quite open to someone proving me wrong.
I actually like being proved wrong to be honest, it means I was uninformed or stupid about something and k get to learn about something cool as fuxk.

i dont know bro hahah u are getting me wrong lol i am using generic and just saying how was my experience when i first time used pharma...my recovery was better,pumps,muscle fullness,skin,hair,nails but the biggest difference was in fat loss...to be honest bro i have no plans to destroy my bank account on pharma lol only for some big contest and money is no big deal,good generic can get the job done

 

[Mayne]

Each company uses a different filler in their GH, which people can respond to differently. Try them all and find out which one works for you the best. The only pharma GH I don't care for is Genotropin. Felt flat on it all the time. Humas, Seros, Nutropin, Saizen, love all of them.

it is just good generic,china does not have pharma...i am right now on ansome and cant even compare results with genotropin at same IU...if they are the same price would be similar this is good explanation

I am quoting for people to make up their own mind on that matter, you either have pharma1 > pharma2 or placebo

 

[MuscleFreak]

I am quoting for people to make up their own mind on that matter, you either have pharma1 > pharma2 or placebo

exactly,i said my experience with pharma was better.. but will I be stupid and empty my bank account cause of that? no fckin way lol only if I am Phil Heath or at least someone at mr.O stage haha

 

[SomeRandoGuy]

I’m in same boat as BWare. I alternate pharma TC and homebrew TC every 3.5 days for my TRT and have for years now. I don’t notice any difference whatsoever between the two.

 

[Rick Kane]

Each company uses a different filler in their GH, which people can respond to differently. Try them all and find out which one works for you the best. The only pharma GH I don't care for is Genotropin. Felt flat on it all the time. Humas, Seros, Nutropin, Saizen, love all of them.

It was a rhetorical question.

I have use almost every brand of pharma gh over the course of the last 18 years. I know which ones my body responds to best.

Many years ago an order for gh arrived and was split by a pro and two joes. The pro used his part of the order to prep for the most prestigious BB contest and placed in the top 5. This joe used the gh and loved the results. The other joe accused the seller of peddling fake growth after he ran 3ius for 90 days and said it didn't "feel" like lilly's and he was holding too much water so it must be chinese knock-off. The other joe had no idea who he split the order with and we never told him.

Manufacturers using different fillers is not why people respond differently. It is infinitely more complicated than that.

 

[mands]

Really don't have time to get into the discussion deeply. What I can say is I've seen many generics tested over the years. And I've seen the purity, dimer content etc. as good as any pharm grade GH.

As far as filler. Yes even pharm grade vary in filler and this can cause slightly different reactions personally. But, my personal accounts(feels) are't science based and/or tested facts.

I can tell you from testing that my IGF-1 levels on a good generic are no different than pharm grade.

mands

 

[wildfuchs]

Manufacturers using different fillers is not why people respond differently. It is infinitely more complicated than that.

can you elaborate or are there any links/studies etc. to share? this is one of those recurring questions that hasn't been answered conclusively from what I've seen, so that'd be a benefit to gear communities everywhere

 

[Streetfighter V4]

I heard saizen is the best for fat loss and thinning skin cause their fillers or something, is the most used here atleast heard it from a pro, i think theres difference in generics aswell, i used 2 different brands both same dosage and tested equal on labs, but i held more water on one another for some reason

 

[wildfuchs]

I heard saizen is the best for fat loss and thinning skin cause their fillers or something, is the most used here atleast heard it from a pro, i think theres difference in generics aswell, i used 2 different brands both same dosage and tested equal on labs, but i held more water on one another for some reason

"heard" and "think" are the broscience we should get rid of precisely

 

[Streetfighter V4]

"heard" and "think" are the broscience we should get rid of precisely

I didnt say its a fact didnt i buddy? Just something i heard from a known pro, also i "think"is based on my own experience, didnt also mention its a fact

 

[Silentlemon1011]

I'm convinced that Generic Vs Pharma in terms of EFFECTIVENESS is similar.
The real test is side effects via fillers.

My worst CT was from Mauves, that batch was a while ago with some dimer

 

[wildfuchs]

I didnt say its a fact didnt i buddy? Just something i heard from a known pro, also i "think"is based on my own experience, didnt also mention its a fact

I heard from a better known pro you should stop posting unless you've something of value to contribute.

 

[MuscleFreak]

I'm convinced that Generic Vs Pharma in terms of EFFECTIVENESS is similar.
The real test is side effects via fillers.

My worst CT was from Mauves, that batch was a while ago with some dimer

I've used both. Pharma was better ofc, but I can't tell a big enough difference to warrant the cost of pharma compared to a good generic that's been consistent for years. Only if u are the Rock yeah go for it,you have $$$ anyway

 

[B Ware]

I've used both. Pharma was better ofc, but I can't tell a big enough difference to warrant the cost of pharma compared to a good generic that's been consistent for years. Only if u are the Rock yeah go for it,you have $$$ anyway

but results from pharma are like totally different drug,on pharma i feel great so much energy,fat loss is crazy,i can even eat pizza before sleep and still dont get fat,muscle looks different and pumps are crazy,skin looks great etc on generics fat loss does not even come close,

exactly,difference is like night and day

there is a reason one is like 6x more expensive,u get what u pay for

yeah I know bro,i still use for off season good generic like ansome...I was thinking just like u it is all the same HGH is HGH until i decided to spend some more money on real pharma and was just shocked like Seth Feroce

bro dont get me wrong, i was always using generic and right now also,i never think there would be any difference cause HGH is HGH right? until one time in prep i had extra money and go to real genos from pharmacy

exactly,i said my experience with pharma was better.. but will I be stupid and empty my bank account cause of that? no fckin way lol only if I am Phil Heath or at least someone at mr.O stage haha

Seriously? This whole thread you’ve rant and raved how pharma was so much better. (Quotes are above). Now you say that that there’s not much of a difference and you can’t justify buying pharma when genetics are similar? You are a joke. Please stfu already.

 

[Jerry5000]

I’ve tried both no difference some ugl higher doses so better and cheaper

 

[MuscleFreak]

Seriously? This whole thread you’ve rant and raved how pharma was so much better. (Quotes are above). Now you say that that there’s not much of a difference and you can’t justify buying pharma when genetics are similar? You are a joke. Please stfu already.

better yeah idiot but not enough difference to justify the cost that i go fckin broke spending over 10 000$ per year...u stupid or what??