Pharmaceutical vs Generic

[B Ware]

better yeah idiot but not enough difference to justify the cost that i go fckin broke spending over 10 000$ per year...u stupid or what??

There it is again. You just contradicted everything you’ve said in this thread. So which is? Do you need to watch another Seth YouTube video for the answer? It’s quite clear that you don’t have a opinion of your own as your mind was easily changed once a few of us shared our thoughts which were the opposite of yours.

 

[Streetfighter V4]

I heard from a better known pro you should stop posting unless you've something of value to contribute.

Free to give my own opinion, none is obliged to post something of value, this is a discussion thread/forum, if u dont like it gtfo

That ifbb pro was Durrah, he made a youtube video aswell about different pharma brands, talking about his own experience with different pharma brands

 

[wildfuchs]

Free to give my own opinion, none is obliged to post something of value, this is a discussion thread/forum, if u dont like it gtfo

That ifbb pro was Durrah, he made a youtube video aswell about different pharma brands, talking about his own experience with different pharma brands

while I do agree with you that you're without value/worthless but not obliged to stop wasting our time, wouldn't you prefer a world devoid of trash as well? if you're really quiet, you may be able to hear everyone telling you to fuck off

 

[Streetfighter V4]

while I do agree with you that you're without value/worthless but not obliged to stop wasting our time, wouldn't you prefer a world devoid of trash as well? if you're really quiet, you may be able to hear everyone telling you to fuck off

Jesus dude... Not gonna bring myself to ur trash level, i fear if i keep arguing with an idiot who doesnt understand logic sense and what a discussion forum is, ill just bring myself down to his level, so fuck off

 

[Rick Kane]

can you elaborate or are there any links/studies etc. to share? this is one of those recurring questions that hasn't been answered conclusively from what I've seen, so that'd be a benefit to gear communities everywhere

No rHGH is identical to endogenous HGH. Isotopes/isoforms, mammalian cell blanks aka raws and variations of kDa weight and fillers are why we get different results and sides from gh.

"In practical terms, only the Lilly product has a carbon isotope ratio that is markedly different from that of pituitary GH. One should also realize that the carbon isotopic signature we measured on the biosynthetic samples could change considerably from one lot to another if a manufacturer changed sources for the components in the E. coli growth media."

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/ac960064l

Chinese "generics" that come from legit facilities can be just as good but IMO they have a much higher chance of deviating from what our bodies assimilate.

 

[sakuraba126]

Op here (locked out of original account by lost 2fa)

Appreciate all opinions, particularly those referencing papers by the ACS. I'm working on my md/PhD, I may never get either but I have an inherent appreciation for info obtained by proper scientific methodology. The cult of anti intellectualism ravaging society right now is both terrifying and infuriating.
I realize the plural of anecdote is not data, but I definitely noticed a difference between serostim and opti tropin (not knocking opti).
Anyone use a generic that they found comparable to fda pharma? Opti is all I've used, and yes an hgh serum test came back very good.
Sigmatropin?
Ansomone?

 

[bbpro1]

I personally would never go with generic only, when i get it from a ifbb pro so its a different story.

The guarantee that my stuff is real, i will have that only when i buy it in a pharmacy and that is very important for me personally.

I want to know exactly what i inject so i can stay with my health on the savest site and so i will have fun with the cycle. When you never have use real gh from a pharmacy before, how you as a beginer will know that your generic gh works? when you are like me they dont have trust in lab test on gh ??
I find its better to go first with pharma and later with generic and not first with generic and later with pharma, its my opinion. And dont forgett the different batches, that makes it hard to make a big order.

Soon a source on meso will have chinese pharma gh im not sure if i will give that a chance, because you will never know how the people have store it before, and sources can talk too much when it comes about the future of their business.

 

[MuscleFreak]

I personally would never go with generic only, when i get it from a ifbb pro so its a different story.

The guarantee that my stuff is real, i will have that only when i buy it in a pharmacy and that is very important for me personally.

I want to know exactly what i inject so i can stay with my health on the savest site and so i will have fun with the cycle. When you never have use real gh from a pharmacy before, how you as a beginer will know that your generic gh works? when you are like me they dont have trust in lab test on gh ??
I find its better to go first with pharma and later with generic and not first with generic and later with pharma, its my opinion. And dont forgett the different batches, that makes it hard to make a big order.

Soon a source on meso will have chinese pharma gh im not sure if i will give that a chance, because you will never know how the people have store it before, and sources can talk too much when it comes about the future of their business.

what pharma did u use? i had real genotropin

 

[bbpro1]

what pharma did u use? i had real genotropin

I have never use HGH and i dont know if i will use it in the future. Your workout and with that the amount of meals will change.
Its a new level of eating and training and im not sure if i will go that hard way. The other thing is the price for pharma gh in a pharmacy, i cant afford genotropin on a dose 6iu the day for 6 months. And i dont have yet any idea how a cycle can looks for me as a guy they is in his early 30s. Sometimes i think 500units genotropin sometimes i think 700 is the minimum without insulin and so. I know the "perfect cycle" dont exist in fitness and bb, you will everytime find in the future things that will let you say "why i have not make it so and so".
But i will try doing my best when i plan the cycle.

 

[Streetfighter V4]

I have never use HGH and i dont know if i will use it in the future. Your workout and with that the amount of meals will change.
Its a new level of eating and training and im not sure if i will go that hard way. The other thing is the price for pharma gh in a pharmacy, i cant afford genotropin on a dose 6iu the day for 6 months. And i dont have yet any idea how a cycle can looks for me as a guy they is in his early 30s. Sometimes i think 500units genotropin sometimes i think 700 is the minimum without insulin and so. I know the "perfect cycle" dont exist in fitness and bb, you will everytime find in the future things that will let you say "why i have not make it so and so".
But i will try doing my best when i plan the cycle.

Who said you have to change all that??? Gh is not magic thing will make u consume 1000 extra... thats just bs, u just eat and train hard normally like u always did with gear..

 

[Crystal Clear]

No rHGH is identical to endogenous HGH. Isotopes/isoforms, mammalian cell blanks aka raws and variations of kDa weight and fillers are why we get different results and sides from gh.

"In practical terms, only the Lilly product has a carbon isotope ratio that is markedly different from that of pituitary GH. One should also realize that the carbon isotopic signature we measured on the biosynthetic samples could change considerably from one lot to another if a manufacturer changed sources for the components in the E. coli growth media."

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/ac960064l

Chinese "generics" that come from legit facilities can be just as good but IMO they have a much higher chance of deviating from what our bodies assimilate.

Thats interesting. Thanks

 

[JP1979]

Op here (locked out of original account by lost 2fa)

Appreciate all opinions, particularly those referencing papers by the ACS. I'm working on my md/PhD, I may never get either but I have an inherent appreciation for info obtained by proper scientific methodology. The cult of anti intellectualism ravaging society right now is both terrifying and infuriating.
I realize the plural of anecdote is not data, but I definitely noticed a difference between serostim and opti tropin (not knocking opti).
Anyone use a generic that they found comparable to fda pharma? Opti is all I've used, and yes an hgh serum test came back very good.
Sigmatropin?
Ansomone?

EUtropin gave me similar results and IGF numbers to Huma dose for dose.

 

[hghlover]

Only tried generics so far, one thing i can say, its so much stronger than peptides

 

[biggerben69]

I just want a scientific explanation why it's better lol.

Remember back in the day... when Pharma Test was "At least twice as good" as UGL gear.

Well, now we know better.
Testing and a better understanding of brewing/raws and just more knowledge about hormones in general have showed us that Pharma Gear and UGL gear is the same (So far as its dosed properly etc)

I am more than happy to say Pharma GH is far superior to Generic, so long as I have some actual scientific evidence.

My theory?

There is a lot of underdosed or fake Generics out there and guys are comparing it to the consistency of Pharma.
Sure, there is fake Pharma too, but MY understanding (And I could be quite wrong, please correct me if I am)

But even fake genos etc, still contain real GH (most of the time) and its accurately dosed, so the individual is still getting that hormone and getting it consistently.

Let's look at Adnan, he was selling properly dosed Pharma GH for years apparently.

No complaints until some guys found out and @biggerben69 chased him away from Meso.

That's my theory anyways,

But once again, I'm quite open to someone proving me wrong.
I actually like being proved wrong to be honest, it means I was uninformed or stupid about something and k get to learn about something cool as fuxk.

I apologize for my late response. As far as Adnan sanat is concerned, when it was first revealed that adnan had sent our members counterfeit gh after instructing those same members on what to look for when it comes to those counterfeits, I emailed Bostin Loyd to let him know what adnan was up to here because adnan is forever dropping his name and his board.
It had been a year or 18 months since I last spoke with Bostin. We had some people in common which caused us to exchange emails several times over the course of 2018.
He told me that Adnan had sent him 10 counterfeit humatrope kits in 2016. I don't know if adnan knew who he was sending those fake kits to back then but I have to think he didn't, at first.
Once Bostin let him know that he could either sink his ship as far as his audience is concerned, or change his quality of life for the better through positive reviews read by that same audience, adnan was quick to replace those 10 kits.
Our members weren't that lucky. Between 3 or 4 members, and a total # of kits less than the 10 Bostin was sent , our guys were told to suck eggs by the bottom feeding adnan.

I'm often reminded when situations like the one with Adnan arise, that meso is a unique place where the greater good is stressed and the selfish wants of 1 or 2 are meaningless and if possible brought into the light for all to see.
I found myself quickly frustrated in my exchange.
I've got a couple of other points to make but will have to finish up in a bit. I apologize for cutting this short.

 

[TRT_Training_Hard]

I strongly advise you not to use Chinese HGH. First of all, I recommend pharmacy products for your health.

So if one wanted to order from say Turkish Pharma what would be regarded as the best option considering safety, results and value? Any other pharma sellers that represent great value for true Pharma GH?

exactly,difference is like night and day

The safety alone of Pharma pushes me in this direction.

results u cant even compare just like Seth said,i was eating like crazy and still would wake up leaner in the morning,pumps are insane in the gym and also muscle fullness,roundness,every weak u see changes...and u can use 50% less aas and get same or even better results

Each company uses a different filler in their GH, which people can respond to differently. Try them all and find out which one works for you the best. The only pharma GH I don't care for is Genotropin. Felt flat on it all the time. Humas, Seros, Nutropin, Saizen, love all of them.

Please share what you consider the best of the hunch for quality and price. Looking at Turkish Pharma or any other highly regarded Pharma seller.

 

[MuscleFreak]

So if one wanted to order from say Turkish Pharma what would be regarded as the best option considering safety, results and value? Any other pharma sellers that represent great value for true Pharma GH?


The safety alone of Pharma pushes me in this direction.




Please share what you consider the best of the hunch for quality and price. Looking at Turkish Pharma or any other highly regarded Pharma seller.

I just got 5x genotropin pens 36iu that is pharma HGH that gives me best results

 

[MuscleFreak]

 

[wildfuchs]

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could be real, could be fake, who knows. who knows why you're posting pictures of boxes.

 

[MuscleFreak]

could be real, could be fake, who knows. who knows why you're posting pictures of boxes.

5500+ kcal,zero cardio and can't get fat,my recovery is crazy and i sleep like a baby zzzz hahah

 

[cmK9s33]

5500+ kcal,zero cardio and can't get fat,my recovery is crazy and i sleep like a baby zzzz hahah

At what dose? I believe you had mentioned before you used 2iu twice per day EoD? Or am I confusing you with someone else?