Pharmacom/Basic sold bunk/underdosed products for all orders MAY and JUNE

[Steve84]

Man people that aren't payed don't argue with strangers on the internet for hours,people are not stupid.

@Steve84 pops up in EVERY single pharmacom thread,he has been arguing back and forth days matching every single one of my post 1:1 on this thread. In total he has put in a solid 6 hours of straight typing to argue with me. EVERY post he has on this website is about pharmacom and how good they are,does that not sound like a shill to you??

On page 27 when @Wunderpus one of the TOP respected members of the community along with @mands steve84 didn't dare say one stupid comment. Now that those guys left steve comes out of nowhere to bump my thread.

EDIT: @LowTSux I went through your post history and all your post on this forum besides maybe 2 have been in this thread. You registered July 12 once the complaints started. You want me to believe you aren't a shill???

I just like facts.. And the truth is you came running your mouth with nothing demanding free gear.
You could've gotten bloods for the forum as you now claim that's all you want is to help others but originally you are just a pure scam. You came on here spamming bullshit over and over and became fucked up when I called you out on no proof.

I can't believe how much time I wasted with you, but I work on a computer all day.. So I have nothing but extra time for your bullshit.

All I am is a happy user of PCOM with great results.
I can diet, I can workout and the results I got there is no way the gear is bunk.

All I challenged you on was proof. But you have nothing.

Your arguments are bullshit.

You make shit up from posts, just like your half life of test e theory. And a knowledgeable member calls you out and you have bullshit to say.

I follow PCOM threads, I follow Newport threads, I follow pareto, I follow Canadian companies.

I'm just glad I could show how full of shit you are.
And unlike you I will get some tests done.

 

[LowTSux]

Read Page 27.We are not judge,jury,and executioner lol. That is a fallacy. I just explained to you how pharmacom works. You don't seem to understand pharmacom's business model.

You know you said that for somebody to argue for hours they must be getting paid, so you fall into that category, as does every member on here. Who made you the expert on the internal workings of pharmacom?? Can you elaborate?? Is this all hearsay from others, or first hand experience?? Far as im concerned your making a ass of yourself, because you heard it from bobby who heard it from sally who said her sister heard it from her brothers nephew whos long lost cousin heard it from her dads brother. Fuck that bullshit.

 

[stayinalive]

I just like facts.. And the truth is you came running your mouth with nothing demanding free gear.
You could've gotten bloods for the forum as you now claim that's all you want is to help others but originally you are just a pure scam. You came on here spamming bullshit over and over and became fucked up when I called you out on no proof.

I can't believe how much time I wasted with you, but I work on a computer all day.. So I have nothing but extra time for your bullshit.

All I am is a happy user of PCOM with great results.
I can diet, I can workout and the results I got there is no way the gear is bunk.

All I challenged you on was proof. But you have nothing.

Your arguments are bullshit.

You make shit up from posts, just like your half life of test e theory. And a knowledgeable member calls you out and you have bullshit to say.

I follow PCOM threads, I follow Newport threads, I follow pareto, I follow Canadian companies.

I'm just glad I could show how full of shit you are.
And unlike you I will get some tests done.

Great results my ass. You said you pinned 3 grams of their test to get 1500 ng/dl

@LowTSux is a shill. All your post are to defend pharmacom.

 

[Steve84]

Great results my ass. You said you pinned 3 grams of their test to get 1500 ng/dl

@LowTSux is a shill. All your post are to defend pharmacom.

All you are is a scam.
Why don't you find that post? Like I called you on before? Because you can't read and it doesn't exist. Never have I pinned 3 grams.
And my test was capped you moron. Do you understand that? No you don't

Just like you don't understand the half life of test E! Where is that link to your claim.

Like everything about you. Bullshit.
I spent all this time so every member sees you for what you are.
A fake bullshit scammer. Plain and simple.
That's all you ever will be a dirty piece of shit.

 

[stayinalive]

PAGE 27 is the best Page of the thread if you are too lazy to read


QUOTES FROM the veterans/most respected members on MESO

Pharmacom hgh is garbage but I knew what I was getting into. 10vials in 5 days and no side effects or anything.

I guess I'll join that club too...FUCK PCOMS BULLSHIT UNDERDOSED GEAR.

I completely agree staying is telling the truth nobody else would bother or get that worked up.something is going on at pharmacon and they should be bending over backwards to make it write.either the people replying are shills or just the new breed of kids using juice but aren't bodybuilders and grew up thinking me,me,me and don't realize this does effect them.something is just starting to change in this business but I've seen a few good labs screwing customers lately and not making it right but instead tell the customer to fuck off.

Either way pcom, you guys are a rip off with your prices... charging over double for a vial of just test is ludicrous but you know what??? I don't blame you, I blame the guys running to y'all giving you the money... if that shit would stop you'd have no choice but to lower prices to something reasonable or pack it in.... I bought from you guys when I was new and dumb but no way would I let you guys price gouge me again.... but until the masses come to the right mindset nothing will change

Pharmacom always had underdosed gear why they still here ? Who knows

Fuck that.
Maybe if you weren't emotionally invested in this....you wouldn't then offer "anecdotal pleasure" validation to the un-substantiated results of "blood work".

Pharmacom either accepts the results of blood work or ignores it ALL.
There is no "IF's" in your policy....or anecdotal opinions about customer satisfaction..no?

I will adamantly disagree with a 700 TT-e "happy-ass"number IF the actual dose was 200 ML AND Steady State residuals have been established......(the T-E compound has been administered at a pre-measured and actual dose of 200 ml and injected on schedule for a duration of NO less than 6 weeks).
That IS exactly the (understandable) rub with a UGL accepting one-off, personal blood-work as an accurate measurement of a UGLs marketed "dose" .....so AS A REP, don't come on MESO representing what our members "should be happy with", IF the company you rep for does NOT recognize blood work OR anecdotal opinions.
That shit is fair...no?

I gotta admit it.
. @stayinalive is starting to make alot of sense....maybe its the extreme humidity today....idk

@RAre Over on this thread you were trashing pharma

Fartacom is leaving this board.

Why the sudden change of opinion?

@Analyzer can you put this to rest in your lab? If so people can arrange to send you samples of several compounds they suspect are underdosed or bunk so that they can be analyzed and put this to bed.

You can go back and look at my posts from when i joined until now. I used to be a Pcom only guy. Until I could no longer support them because of a bunch of underdosed crap. I would buy nothing from them, and most guys that I talk to dont anymore.

How does it feel to betray an entire board so you get free Gear 2 used you f****** c***. You always been a worthless piece of f****** s*** Brutus everyone has run you off this board you f****** b**** now I'm going to be the one that f****** does un f*** you w****.

Ty for heads up Paul. I feel cheated but at least I've learned from it. I'll be on the lookout for somewhere with integrity if that place exists

Hate to see how dramatic this is getting. I always had good luck with pc, but ordered during a promo and that batch of tren did nothing for me. 100mg a day I felt nothing, switched to another lab at around 500mg a week and got all the normal effects and side effects.

When I talked to pharmacom I pretty much got told they wouldn't do anything for me unless I sent a sealed vial to simec and well, my vials were opened because I was using it of course. So I just accepted the loss and decided to go elsewhere. I can understand both sides. Yes, from their perspective if the vial is open of course I could draw out the pc tren and put whatever I want in there but the other side is I did alot of business with them and then had one time stuff didn't work great and it was tough luck for me. So as a consumer yes that sucks but that's the business I guess.

I do agree tho that saying something negative about them for some reason is not acceptable and you're called a liar for it. I don't understand why.

I got some way underdosed sust from pharma recently BS

Fatso mentioned on page 3 the lab is Pharmacon. Given their recent string of complaints, it wouldn't be surprising if it didn't contain trenbolone, but if it contains an unlisted 17-AA AAS, that would be unforgivable. Especially if a substitution was intentionally used to trick the user into believing they were taking tren, which seems pretty likely for a lab that claims to test everything they sell.

Who looks the other way? I've stated several times that Pharmacon had problems, and that I wouldn't used them. Others have as well. In fact, there's at least one negative thread about them right now.


You want Millard to ban them for scamming but where's the proof? Where are the hplcs and mass specs that show bunk gear? Where are your bloods?

If you want to hurt Pharmacon on this forum, you're going to need proof. Your say so isn't going to do it and constantly repeating the same rant is actually hurting your case. Provide proof and you'll sway opinions. Until then you're wasting your time.

Pharmacon have lots of but you're letting them scare you away from criticizing them. State your opinion. That's all you can do. It's not up to you or me or Millard or anyone else to protect the people that refuse to do their research. It's up to them to make their own decisions based on the evidence, not dick riders and critics.

Meso hasn't changed. You're still free to criticize whomever you want. If you don't agree go to a source board and criticize Pharmacon and see what happens.

^^^^

It's fucking disgusting that you are detailing your customer's orders online for all to see. Put the shoe on the other foot and ask yourself if you want all your dirty laundry aired for your customers to see. This is type of behavior you see in a fucking snitch who sings to the cops on all his "friends" and associates to receive a lighter sentence.

Not really. I tried. I posted evidence of Pcom underdosing products, even when they claim they are infallible on their site. Darius assured me he'd fix the issue with the underdrosed injectable anadrol I received, radio silence after that... I bought a lot from them, thousands of dollars I am certain. But, that doesn't mean a thing to Pcom. They will continue to push out underdosed products with fancy shills and packaging. This isn't a defense of Stayinalive, rather, another perspective/experience on the way they handle customers who spend money on their products.

What a shame, as Pcom could be the solution for many newer members who are unsure where to order... But, it's not. They don't actually give a fuck, this is why they spend money to have reps on boards... Reps, by the way, that didn't actually reveal they were until they were called out, and branded. Certainly if they are paying reps, they are paying shills to post false experiences/reviews. Certainly they are making fake accounts to also dilute the negative reviews. Realistically, we cannot keep up, nor do I intend to fight this battle every time I see a Pcom thread pop up.

Again, a shame, as a lot of their products would be appealing to me, and are fairly priced after their meso/WKM discounts.

Anyway, best of luck to those who continue to use Pcom, I truly hope you receive quality products, as you are owed.

@CensoredBoardsSuck is the guy with all the stickys on the front page. These guys are forum veterans that are saying PCOM is shit.

 

[LowTSux]

@stayinalive
Let me give you some transparency on why i have a vested interest in this thread.

#1 my t was not low enough for insurance to cover it.

#2 after many days and hours of reading and never have ordered something such as this i settled for pc.

#3 i ordered before your shit storm hit, i signed up to meso

#4 i recieved and pinned said bunk gear, because you could not prove otherwise, thats why you piss me off.

#5 if i use your methodology then i can say without a doubt its not bunk, because i have a swelled penis and oily skin better sense of well being, etc.

#6 fuck number 6, why am i explaining myself to some dickhead douchebag that only gives a shit about what he thinks. fuck insurance companies and dumb ass doctors and the drug companies that charge 600 fucking dollars for a epipen and here you are bitching about 80dollars for illegal drugs, fuck you too. You take any prescription drug and look at the side effects fuckhead they are all worse then the shit you have come up with.

 

[TRT]

@stayinalive
Let me give you some transparency on why i have a vested interest in this thread.

#1 my t was not low enough for insurance to cover it.

#2 after many days and hours of reading and never have ordered something such as this i settled for pc.

#3 i ordered before your shit storm hit, i signed up to meso

#4 i recieved and pinned said bunk gear, because you could not prove otherwise, thats why you piss me off.

#5 if i use your methodology then i can say without a doubt its not bunk, because i have a swelled penis and oily skin better sense of well being, etc.

#6 fuck number 6, why am i explaining myself to some dickhead douchebag that only gives a shit about what he thinks. fuck insurance companies and dumb ass doctors and the drug companies that charge 600 fucking dollars for a epipen and here you are bitching about 80dollars for illegal drugs, fuck you too. You take any prescription drug and look at the side effects fuckhead they are all worse then the shit you have come up with.

First off who are you? Ya that's what I figured.

#1 test wasn't low enough? Go to an endocrinologist you won't have that problem.

#2 simply did no research to say the least.

#3 should have waited longer cause you obviously made a bad choice.

#4
A.) did you post bloods? It's the meso way if you didn't know.
B) not everyone can get ripped off.
C) he's not the only one who thinks it's bunk gear.

#5 A.) See #4 on bloods
B.) no ED? Not everyone gets the same symptoms. I have a friend who was 180ng/dl and had no problem in the bedroom.
C.) Oily skin is from your estrogen.

#6 ...ya why are you even talking?

 

[Codeinecowboy44]

No one is going to tell you anything when this is your first post. It's obvious the only reason you're here is to find a source. Go to the new member section, introduce yourself, and contribute.

People who come here wanting to be spoon fed a source aren't treated well here.

Jesus Christ calm down tough guy is it that time of the month for you? Not that I have to explain myself to some dumbass imbecile like yourself, but I'm not looking for a source I'm asking opinions on the source that THIS THREAD is about. Any idiot can find a source of their own, but when the thread is about the source being bunk and then having 10 others say it's g2g it's worth asking others opinions. Now go fuck your self

 

[LowTSux]

First off who are you? Ya that's what I figured.

#1 test wasn't low enough? Go to an endocrinologist you won't have that problem.

#2 simply did no research to say the least.

#3 should have waited longer cause you obviously made a bad choice.

#4
A.) did you post bloods? It's the meso way if you didn't know.
B) not everyone can get ripped off.
C) he's not the only one who thinks it's bunk gear.

#5 A.) See #4 on bloods
B.) no ED? Not everyone gets the same symptoms. I have a friend who was 180ng/dl and had no problem in the bedroom.
C.) Oily skin is from your estrogen.

#6 ...ya why are you even talking?

Lol who am i?? Are you retarded?? I just gave you transparency

#1 endo was 2months from a opening dont tell me what the fuck to do.

#2 did plenty of research just came to a different conclusion then you.

#3 Didnt need to wait long, and obviously thats your opinion.

#4
(a)No i didnt post bloods have not been on long enuf to follow protocol(thats the meso way)
(b)not everyone got ripped off
(c)im not the only one that thinks the gear is good

#5
(a) dont see stayinalives bloods so fuck you, pot calling the kettle black.
(b) my point was, is thats how stayinalive was making his point.
(c) if it is because of estrogen and its new then its because the excess t is being converted.

#6 cause i am now part of the community and it gives me the right to give fucking input, right, wrong or otherwise, and if you would have bothered to read all of my post you would notice it was not directed to you. And who the fuck are you??

 

[Steroidify]

I was under the impression you would not accept any other independent labs? You say you are and have given this option? And you will pay for the testing? If that's what you are offering then it's up to the buyer to take advantage of that AND backup their claims.

Sir, we accept any other independent licensed lab for testing, it was stated numerous times. Actually, we would be happy to have more than SIMEC and CHEMTOX. The only condition is for them to have total transparency over this process, have the results PUBLIC and verifiable through their website, if the lab test report number is provided.

We have this offer available for almost 2 years now, we offer up to 500$ per testing ( HLPC + microbiological), money paid in cash or store credit option. The product sent for testing is also reimbursed.

Several lab tests done by MESO members in the past, on our expense:

Pharmacom Test Cyp 250 - HPLC-UV - 2015-11 - performed by SIMEC via Sampei

[HPLC] Pharmacom "Dianabolos 10" Dianabol 10mg Tabs (methandrostenolone/methandienone) 17-NOV-2015

[HPLC] Pharmacom Test E 500mg (high dosage gear) - December

[HPLC] Pharmacom Deca 600mg (high dosage gear) - December

This was advertised A LOT on our main thread but only 5 or 6 MESO members took advantage of it. However, despite all our efforts to provide indisputable ways of reaching to a conclusion when our products are questioned we still see unfounded claims and absurd accusation backed up by NOTHING.

I don't want you out or gone from MESO if you provide a good product and service. Not sure where you got that from.

Bragging about being part of a community that's different? When I talk about the community... It's the community as a whole. Not just here at MESO. I'm a member at many boards, public and private.

And for the record I did make anonymous orders from you and sent them off for testing over a year ago.

Sir, I'm sorry that my imperative statement wasn't properly addressed, that was a shout to the whole community, not intended strictly to you.

If all these ridiculous complaints would have been backed up by SOLID PROOFS this would have been game over for some time now and we would have been left with nothing more to comment.

All you do is keep bragging that you are part of this great community, which is different from the rest , where sources are indeed put with the face against the wall, where extensive investigations are launched and where nothing can be hidden ....but from all your Pharmacom orders you couldn't put together 10 samples from random purchases to send them all at once to several LABS of your choice for FULL analytical testing on our expense .... !!!!???!?!?!?!?!?!

RIGHT, just because you are MESO, we expected from you guys a different approach, a rational one, backed up by solid incontestable proofs ... which are pretty easy to get considering the terms we propose...

I've never made a report but I've been around a long time and I've seen many labs like yourself that make these claims and then they get busted and we see how they keep their raw powders and equipment. Horrible storage conditions. Not saying you do that. But, it does happen.

Sir, we are here since 2006 and our main retail store opened in 2008.
I totally agree with the improper manufacturing practices of other labs but why do that in China or in that neighbor region, where you can get governmental licenses for more than 80% of the products and you can LEGALLY rent small factories for production? Of course, financial resources are needed but I'm sure you know that is not an impediment for us, Pharmacom Labs has a monopoly in Russia and Eastern Europe, where our main market is and practically 8 out of 10 products sold in this huge region has the PC logo on it.

We don't need to hide like US & EU operations. You will be surprised of course if I will add that even taxes are paid for all our permanent employees salaries.







For more videos from our facility you can check: pharmacomstore.ws/innovations/


Also, the last spectrometer technology we purchased this year from a Czech Republic expo fair:

 

[SickeningSkittles]

I know that I ordered some anastrozole from pharmacom that was bunk took up to 2mg day and wasn't doing anything.

 

[janoshik]

Also, the last spectrometer technology we purchased this year from a Czech Republic expo fair:

You are not going to detect a whole lot of stuff running 100% acetonitrile, man

 

[RAre]

PAGE 27 is the best Page of the thread if you are too lazy to read


QUOTES FROM the veterans/most respected members on MESO





















@CensoredBoardsSuck is the guy with all the stickys on the front page. These guys are forum veterans that are saying PCOM is shit.

A gram of Test cost less then a dollar a gram, so what would PCOM gain by sending bunk gear. It wouldn't be worth the hassle to do selective scamming, what test results have you seen that showed only 10%. can they do this yes, do they IDK but it's just don't make since and when they have offer for anyone to send products to ANY lab seems like there not in the selective scamming business, but sometimes have under dosed product.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

I agree but I say maybe some batches are underdosed by accident . The main topic is if I get an underdosed vial of test and I report it then all the members they're gonna say that I'm mad or I want to hurt the business anyway to proof that you need lab analysis without this is words on wisdom

 

[Docd187123]

Weren't you proven a shill on the last page.

So I've been waiting for those test e half life studies......//

 

[stayinalive]

A gram of Test cost less then a dollar a gram, so what would PCOM gain by sending bunk gear. It wouldn't be worth the hassle to do selective scamming, what test results have you seen that showed only 10%. can they do this yes, do they IDK but it's just don't make since and when they have offer for anyone to send products to ANY lab seems like there not in the selective scamming business, but sometimes have under dosed product.

PCOM is not a tiny lab. They pull in 100s of thousands a month. Frank and Darius aren't tony montana in scarface. They just push the product and get a cut. When they send gear over,they have a high probability of the gear being seized. Let's say a vial cost 7$ to produce,their special clients like sponsors,competitors,veteran members,ect. They have no choice but to send them a reship,so for a 1000$ order it could cost them 100$ to do a reship.

In order for them to be able to reship,they essentially have to send these preferred customers someone elses order. What they do is underdose their products heavily for the noob/no name clients,they know they can easily be discredited. They send them 50mg/ml on test that should be 250mg/ml(for example). With 10g of test at 50mg a bottle they can produce 20 bottles of test.If they dose accordingly,they can provide 4.

It isn't about the test being cheap,it's about them having the capability to meet the outrageous demand and cut costs.So in my example if they sell 20xbottles at 78$ ea on the domestic website,that puts you at around $1560 for the same amount of powder,if you properly dose thats only 312$,not to mention what it cost to do reships for "special" members that NEED to have the good gear no matter what.

My example is obviously really small since they deal with 1000x more volume than what I posted. Little money differences add up very fast when you are selling the volume they are.

They are sponsors on every source board,it is easier to buy out forum owners for 500$ a month and have them delete every negative review/give them access to inactive accounts of old members that don't log on anymore to shill,than it is to send everyone real gear. They make much more money that way and save quite a bit on costs. Luckily that isn't allowed here on meso.

 

[Oldschool]

So I've been waiting for those test e half life studies......//

You got overlooked again doc.
Lol.

 

[retpsd]

PAGE 27 is the best Page of the thread if you are too lazy to read
QUOTES FROM the veterans/most respected members on MESO
These guys are forum veterans that are saying PCOM is shit.

@stayinalive If you're going to quote me, don't summarize the context of my posts to align my words with your agenda.
My post called out a Pharmacom Rep for recommending to MESO Members what "he would be happy with" regarding blood work while running Pharmacom gear.

For 2 reasons his "happy blood work" opinion is meaningless to MESO Members:
1 Pharmacom doesn't accept blood work, or opinions of blood in their customer satisfaction policy.
2 He's not a MESO member, he's a Representative for a UGL that is using a MESO forum for monetary gains.

 

[stayinalive]

@stayinalive If you're going to quote me, don't summarize the context my posts to align my words with your agenda.
My post called out a Pharmacom Rep for recommending to MESO Members what "he would be happy with" regarding blood work while running Pharmacom gear.

For 2 reasons his "happy blood work" opinion is meaningless to MESO Members:
1 Pharmacom doesn't accept blood work, or opinions of blood in their customer satisfaction policy.
2 He's not a MESO member, he's a Representative for a UGL that is using a MESO forum for monetary gains.

Retpsd,the person can click the quote and they can read the thread/page in which it was said.I am not organizing quotes you said to fit my agenda,I grab the quote and paste it here EXACTLY how it was written.The user can then click the small arrow and read that part of the thread. It isn't just you I am quoting,I quoted alot of veterans and it's the same deal. If you click the arrow you will be able to read that part of the thread and make a decision on yourself.

When you have that many veterans saying bad things about the product,it gets to a point where the common user has to wonder."Hmmm,maybe stayinalive is right".I quote people because shills dilute the the thread because they know most people won't read the entire thread. Some dude up here got some fake arimadex.

 

[TRT]

Lol who am i?? Are you retarded?? I just gave you transparency

#1 endo was 2months from a opening dont tell me what the fuck to do.

#2 did plenty of research just came to a different conclusion then you.

#3 Didnt need to wait long, and obviously thats your opinion.

#4
(a)No i didnt post bloods have not been on long enuf to follow protocol(thats the meso way)
(b)not everyone got ripped off
(c)im not the only one that thinks the gear is good

#5
(a) dont see stayinalives bloods so fuck you, pot calling the kettle black.
(b) my point was, is thats how stayinalive was making his point.
(c) if it is because of estrogen and its new then its because the excess t is being converted.

#6 cause i am now part of the community and it gives me the right to give fucking input, right, wrong or otherwise, and if you would have bothered to read all of my post you would notice it was not directed to you. And who the fuck are you??

Well then find a different endo cause yours sucks. Even at 430ng/do if you had all the sides of low T who's to say your not one of the guys who natural test level is 1200ng/dl? The Endo should take that into consideration.
And I'm a member and I'll share my opinion in any manner I want. [emoji6] Enjoy your weekend little man.