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yes, my first couple runs with it were at 600g and I enjoyed good results. I have just been upping my dosages as I get bigger and have more cycles -- kinda like adding food/calories, or weight to the bar, just slowly increasing things over the long-term. I have the 500mg/mL Test and EQ products so it was just easy to draw 1cc of each in each pin (2x a week) and that gave a gram a week of each total.
Made very good gains ; I tried to bulk but was not even able to get fat haha I still kept abs (even some veins in abs area) and people ask me if I am doing a show because they think I am in prep (a compliment I appreciate, but also disappoint me because it show I could have eaten more and maximized gains). Is ok though because I have no need to diet; all gains were clean and real, no fat.
At about 5'8" and 235 lb lean with abs and vascularity -- I guess you could say it is obvious I lift
If I can get some pics soon that do not give too much info or risk, I will post. I feel like I am finally getting that modern bodybuilder look.
I will cruise for 16 to 20 weeks and then make a push for 240+ while keeping good body composition. I think for my height and frame that will be the limit and I can feel I achieved something.
About deca:
It is really good for gains and I feel like it does help my joints (I do not have any pain while on it). But I tried it so many times and always I have problems. I tried is at 300mg, 600mg, 200mg... only difference is at lower dosages it takes longer for problem to come.
I get gyno directly from it (my bloodworks have shown estrogen is under control or even crashed), I get extreme mental fatigue (feel like I never want to get out of bed and always want a nap), my sex drive is zero (is nice in a way, it make me immune to women and I do not have any interest in females so I can focus on other things haha) but with truly zero sex drive some depression comes.
Sucks because I really want to run it for the benefits. I feel like I tried so many times now and have permanent gyno etc ... it just is not going to work for me.
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It's really sad.....
I was shipped promo sarms but it doesn't look like they cleared for me.
Shitty luck for me, but over 10 days customs it doesn't look good...
Still waiting but not hopeful
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Hey my friend, have you ever tried to use l dopa to lower prolactin? I habe very good results mentally with 500mg l dopa and 400mg NPP & 750mg Test e and 12.5 exemestane eod
yes, my first couple runs with it were at 600g and I enjoyed good results. I have just been upping my dosages as I get bigger and have more cycles -- kinda like adding food/calories, or weight to the bar, just slowly increasing things over the long-term. I have the 500mg/mL Test and EQ products so it was just easy to draw 1cc of each in each pin (2x a week) and that gave a gram a week of each total.
Made very good gains ; I tried to bulk but was not even able to get fat haha I still kept abs (even some veins in abs area) and people ask me if I am doing a show because they think I am in prep (a compliment I appreciate, but also disappoint me because it show I could have eaten more and maximized gains). Is ok though because I have no need to diet; all gains were clean and real, no fat.
At about 5'8" and 235 lb lean with abs and vascularity -- I guess you could say it is obvious I lift
If I can get some pics soon that do not give too much info or risk, I will post. I feel like I am finally getting that modern bodybuilder look.
I will cruise for 16 to 20 weeks and then make a push for 240+ while keeping good body composition. I think for my height and frame that will be the limit and I can feel I achieved something.
About deca:
It is really good for gains and I feel like it does help my joints (I do not have any pain while on it). But I tried it so many times and always I have problems. I tried is at 300mg, 600mg, 200mg... only difference is at lower dosages it takes longer for problem to come.
I get gyno directly from it (my bloodworks have shown estrogen is under control or even crashed), I get extreme mental fatigue (feel like I never want to get out of bed and always want a nap), my sex drive is zero (is nice in a way, it make me immune to women and I do not have any interest in females so I can focus on other things haha) but with truly zero sex drive some depression comes.
Sucks because I really want to run it for the benefits. I feel like I tried so many times now and have permanent gyno etc ... it just is not going to work for me.
Klimmzugernie
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Hey my friend, have you ever tried to use l dopa to lower prolactin? I habe very good results mentally with 500mg l dopa and 400mg NPP & 750mg Test e and 12.5 exemestane eod
yes, my first couple runs with it were at 600g and I enjoyed good results. I have just been upping my dosages as I get bigger and have more cycles -- kinda like adding food/calories, or weight to the bar, just slowly increasing things over the long-term. I have the 500mg/mL Test and EQ products so it was just easy to draw 1cc of each in each pin (2x a week) and that gave a gram a week of each total.
Made very good gains ; I tried to bulk but was not even able to get fat haha I still kept abs (even some veins in abs area) and people ask me if I am doing a show because they think I am in prep (a compliment I appreciate, but also disappoint me because it show I could have eaten more and maximized gains). Is ok though because I have no need to diet; all gains were clean and real, no fat.
At about 5'8" and 235 lb lean with abs and vascularity -- I guess you could say it is obvious I lift
If I can get some pics soon that do not give too much info or risk, I will post. I feel like I am finally getting that modern bodybuilder look.
I will cruise for 16 to 20 weeks and then make a push for 240+ while keeping good body composition. I think for my height and frame that will be the limit and I can feel I achieved something.
About deca:
It is really good for gains and I feel like it does help my joints (I do not have any pain while on it). But I tried it so many times and always I have problems. I tried is at 300mg, 600mg, 200mg... only difference is at lower dosages it takes longer for problem to come.
I get gyno directly from it (my bloodworks have shown estrogen is under control or even crashed), I get extreme mental fatigue (feel like I never want to get out of bed and always want a nap), my sex drive is zero (is nice in a way, it make me immune to women and I do not have any interest in females so I can focus on other things haha) but with truly zero sex drive some depression comes.
Sucks because I really want to run it for the benefits. I feel like I tried so many times now and have permanent gyno etc ... it just is not going to work for me.
Mate I got some problems with tren/deca/adrol etc, always gyno even if prolactin and estrogen is in check, Is see you say you are "about 5'8" and 235 lb lean with abs and vascularity" so could you tell me which cycles you like instead of those 19nors or gyno orals?yes, my first couple runs with it were at 600g and I enjoyed good results. I have just been upping my dosages as I get bigger and have more cycles -- kinda like adding food/calories, or weight to the bar, just slowly increasing things over the long-term. I have the 500mg/mL Test and EQ products so it was just easy to draw 1cc of each in each pin (2x a week) and that gave a gram a week of each total.
Made very good gains ; I tried to bulk but was not even able to get fat haha I still kept abs (even some veins in abs area) and people ask me if I am doing a show because they think I am in prep (a compliment I appreciate, but also disappoint me because it show I could have eaten more and maximized gains). Is ok though because I have no need to diet; all gains were clean and real, no fat.
At about 5'8" and 235 lb lean with abs and vascularity -- I guess you could say it is obvious I lift
If I can get some pics soon that do not give too much info or risk, I will post. I feel like I am finally getting that modern bodybuilder look.
I will cruise for 16 to 20 weeks and then make a push for 240+ while keeping good body composition. I think for my height and frame that will be the limit and I can feel I achieved something.
About deca:
It is really good for gains and I feel like it does help my joints (I do not have any pain while on it). But I tried it so many times and always I have problems. I tried is at 300mg, 600mg, 200mg... only difference is at lower dosages it takes longer for problem to come.
I get gyno directly from it (my bloodworks have shown estrogen is under control or even crashed), I get extreme mental fatigue (feel like I never want to get out of bed and always want a nap), my sex drive is zero (is nice in a way, it make me immune to women and I do not have any interest in females so I can focus on other things haha) but with truly zero sex drive some depression comes.
Sucks because I really want to run it for the benefits. I feel like I tried so many times now and have permanent gyno etc ... it just is not going to work for me.
yes, I have. thank you for good advice.
l-dopa is good in general and helps.
However, for me with deca it does not help because my prolactin was not elevated. I get extensive bloodwork often -- all values in range.
I conclude the deca itself is acting to somehow cause me gyno and other issues directly (or maybe a metabolite of the deca) not an elevation of prolactin or Estrogen (even with both of those very low, it still happened).
Well, I got a lot of the size from cycles that did include such things. I ran deca in at least 4 or 5 cycles before learning (or stopped being stubborn) that it was not going well for me.
It did work great for gains. The highest deca I have run was 600mg in a stack with test etc, and I put on a lot of size. But now I realize it was not worth the other issues such as the permanent gyno.
For me now, I run high testosterone and high EQ. I can run low tren without issue -- by low I mean less than 400mg (currently only on 200mg in my stack). But that little bit makes a difference and stacks with the other compounds. I rather run it so low I do not "feel" I am on it, then to run it too high and notice problems.
Also, I can use Adrol but only at 50mg ED only on workout days (so a few days a week off of it). It give a little boost. I do this toward the end of cycles if I want a little more size because I will be at an event or something. IF no special occasion to need a little size, I do not do it.
My cycles currently, and most likely for here on out, are based on 1000mg Test + 1000mg EQ , I can stack pretty much anything other than Deca on it if needed but just need to be modest with any additions such as tren.
A decent amount of gh such as 1 to 2 iu morning, 1-2 iu before bed, and the big dosage ED of 4 to 6 iu GH pre-workout + humalog 30 mins after gh.
Proper intra and post workout shakes (EAAs, hydrolyzed whey, and fast carbs, electrolytes etc during the workout).
Of source HARD training, hitting the muscle groups 2x per week different ways (one day I do power / heavy / low volume ; the other is high volume, lighter, but TUT and slow eccentrics and holding contraction etc).
8 to 10 hour sleep ED and A lot of good food and nutrients etc , that is most important part.
Not much more is needed though. Half way through I can add a test-cyp at 1cc per shot to give 500mg more test. At 1500mg test and 1000 EQ, why do I need to add anything more?
big and basic but I found it works for me with no issues (I wish I learned sooner but I was foolish to think deca was a "must have" for size). We are all still learning and I am no different.
Other favorites for different purposes other than punting size are Primo and Mast.
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Thank you for detailed reply! I actually never ran EQ but might give it a try, maybe 500test 600eq 200tren?Well, I got a lot of the size from cycles that did include such things. I ran deca in at least 4 or 5 cycles before learning (or stopped being stubborn) that it was not going well for me.
It did work great for gains. The highest deca I have run was 600mg in a stack with test etc, and I put on a lot of size. But now I realize it was not worth the other issues such as the permanent gyno.
For me now, I run high testosterone and high EQ. I can run low tren without issue -- by low I mean less than 400mg (currently only on 200mg in my stack). But that little bit makes a difference and stacks with the other compounds. I rather run it so low I do not "feel" I am on it, then to run it too high and notice problems.
Also, I can use Adrol but only at 50mg ED only on workout days (so a few days a week off of it). It give a little boost. I do this toward the end of cycles if I want a little more size because I will be at an event or something. IF no special occasion to need a little size, I do not do it.
My cycles currently, and most likely for here on out, are based on 1000mg Test + 1000mg EQ , I can stack pretty much anything other than Deca on it if needed but just need to be modest with any additions such as tren.
A decent amount of gh such as 1 to 2 iu morning, 1-2 iu before bed, and the big dosage ED of 4 to 6 iu GH pre-workout + humalog 30 mins after gh.
Proper intra and post workout shakes (EAAs, hydrolyzed whey, and fast carbs, electrolytes etc during the workout).
Of source HARD training, hitting the muscle groups 2x per week different ways (one day I do power / heavy / low volume ; the other is high volume, lighter, but TUT and slow eccentrics and holding contraction etc).
8 to 10 hour sleep ED and A lot of good food and nutrients etc , that is most important part.
Not much more is needed though. Half way through I can add a test-cyp at 1cc per shot to give 500mg more test. At 1500mg test and 1000 EQ, why do I need to add anything more?
big and basic but I found it works for me with no issues (I wish I learned sooner but I was foolish to think deca was a "must have" for size). We are all still learning and I am no different.
Other favorites for different purposes other than punting size are Primo and Mast.
Btw have you tried doing nolva ED when using deca or tren? Some say it helps a lot with gyno, some say its a big "nono" on tren/deca?
your plan sounds good with the test+EQ+tren (low dosage).
Regarding nolva, no I would not use it on a 19-nor because it can aggravate progesterone related side effect. I also would not use it on a gain cycle because it lower IGF-1 (my goal is always to elevate IGF-1 while gaining).
Just keep estrogen controlled with an AI (Exemestane is my preference) and you will not need a SERM such as nolva.
BE careful not to crash your estrogen too low though; estrogen is important to health, helps IGF-1 levels, and increased androgen receptor -- healthy level of estrogen is desired.
Start AI modest, get blood work after 4 to 6 week, and adjust from there
.Oh, and if running tren, remember to get the "sensitive" E2 test because tren may show up as estrogen on normal E2 bloods.
Thank you mate - will nolva lower IGF-1 that it actually makes a difference you think? Never thought of this when running nolva on cycle. So you wouldnt even use nolva on cycle when running anadrol or dbol?your plan sounds good with the test+EQ+tren (low dosage).
Regarding nolva, no I would not use it on a 19-nor because it can aggravate progesterone related side effect. I also would not use it on a gain cycle because it lower IGF-1 (my goal is always to elevate IGF-1 while gaining).
Just keep estrogen controlled with an AI (Exemestane is my preference) and you will not need a SERM such as nolva.
BE careful not to crash your estrogen too low though; estrogen is important to health, helps IGF-1 levels, and increased androgen receptor -- healthy level of estrogen is desired.
Start AI modest, get blood work after 4 to 6 week, and adjust from there
Oh, and if running tren, remember to get the "sensitive" E2 test because tren may show up as estrogen on normal E2 bloods.
I do not know if it makes a difference, but it would not help
I want as much IGF-1 as I can get.No, I would not run it on cycle ever -- it is a PCT drug.
Dbol coverts to E2 so an AI will take care of controling that and Adrol is mysterious like 19-nors and maybe is acting directly on some recptor site other than the Androgen or E2 receptor. Adrol is very interesting and unique.
Okay I see your point, thank you for you help mate, EQ should be pretty mild so adding that compound wont do too much harm I guess?I do not know if it makes a difference, but it would not help
No, I would not run it on cycle ever -- it is a PCT drug.
Dbol coverts to E2 so an AI will take care of controling that and Adrol is mysterious like 19-nors and maybe is acting directly on some recptor site other than the Androgen or E2 receptor. Adrol is very interesting and unique.
EQ is mild in my opinion.
For me no issue ever.
For some, their rbc rises -- so just check your mid cycle bloods and if rbc and HTC are rising then go donate blood.
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