MESO-Rx Sponsor Pharmacom Labs officials and our Basicstero.com store

[Joedoe]

@Pharmacom Labs

Frank, can you tell me if you are considered a reseller?

 

[Millard]

@Millard Baker hey are you doing AI testing ? If so lets say i have "generic" Ai how many pills would you need to run a Sucessful test?

We are focusing resources on AAS for now.

 

[ROB581211]

Hey guys. I have just read this article. I would like to say that I completely trust these results, but I am totally disappointed with what I see. So, I am not a specialist in these chemical things, probably you could help to to clarify a couple of things.
1. 92 mg/ml - Does this HPLC detect trenbolone + acetate ester or is it the amount of pure trenbolone without ester?
2. Also does somebody know what is the testing inaccuracy? How many mg or %, is there any info about it?
Of coarse I will show this result to my boss, which will be also not happy to see it I am sure. But first I would like to clarify these 2 questions. I expected much more... and I personally consider this not as a pass... However I am not a chemist and not an ace in the production technology, so will transmit this test to my boss and other competent guys and expect their reply. If this is amount incl ester, this is not a pass for me. Will try to find out why. Also interested to see results in other vials. If there is someone in Europe with our tren and he is ready to send it to Simec per post, I will reimburse all expenses. Need more results.

I believe Millard said the full report (several pages) will be released sometime next. I'm not sure it will 100% answer all your question as I am ignorant in reading these result other than I see it is 92mg/ml. Let me see if I can link millards response

 

[ROB581211]

Yes, request submitted on Monday. They said it would be later this week since it would involve scanning 100+ pages. As soon as it is received, it will be posted on http://anaboliclab.com

@Pharmacom Labs

 

[Millard]

I believe Millard said the full report (several pages) will be released sometime next. I'm not sure it will 100% answer all your question as I am ignorant in reading these result other than I see it is 92mg/ml. Let me see if I can link millards response

I hope to have the complete raw data / chromatograms any day now. I will post this with hopefully answers to your questions soon.

 

[PHL Official]

I like your attitude on this Frank, you could be here pounding your chest and saying ' i told you so' but instead your unhappy with 92%. This gives me a reason to stick around.

I never questioned reliable results. Couple of bloodworks made by some new members here are doubtful for me. Bloodworks where people show some results with low level and tell first they injected 300mg week, after they change it to 600 mg week... People stating our gear is underdosed and nothing more these words... This is not reliable. But I told from the very beginning and repeated it lot of times, I will trust any result made in a lab with photo, etc. I do not have any slightest doubt that an GMP certified lab could mess something up here. I accept these results completely as I promised from the very beginning and we will do our best to find out what`s wrong.
I am still very interested what is the possible accuracy and tolerance. I guess it shall be not more than 1%. But need info from the lab. Also need info what was the reference sample, tren + ace ester or just tren. Will wait for Millards raw data.

@Pharmacom Labs

Frank, can you tell me if you are considered a reseller?

I am a member of Pharmacom Labs team, so I am a rep of the manufacturer itself. I work in the company in the sales department, I am responsible for bulk orders in some regions. And since November 2014 I am also responsible basicstero.com store, our store, our direct store which we decided to open in order to sell our products directly and provide lowest prices in the market. In fact I paly here 2 roles, as Pharmacom employee, which you can contact in case of any questions regarding our products and secondly as seller and manager of basicstero.com store. The word reseller would not fit here. We do not buy products in bulk to resell them, we manufacture them and sell directly.

So, as I said, if there is a willing person, which has an opportunity to ship his closed tren a to Simec lab I would gladly see the results of the second test and reimburse it. Now it is very important for all of us.

 

[Millard]

But need info from the lab. Also need info what was the reference sample, tren + ace ester or just tren. Will wait for Millards raw data.

It was trenbolone + acetate. I don't know margin of error but will ask.

 

[PHL Official]

It was trenbolone + acetate. I don't know margin of error but will ask.

Ok. Thank you. We will solve this problem, I promise.
We are also waiting for results from Simec. One of our resellers sent lot of our products to this lab to check, I do not know which products exactly, but I publish all of them here independent on results as soon as we get essays.

 

[Joedoe]

I never questioned reliable results. Couple of bloodworks made by some new members here are doubtful for me. Bloodworks where people show some results with low level and tell first they injected 300mg week, after they change it to 600 mg week... People stating our gear is underdosed and nothing more these words... This is not reliable. But I told from the very beginning and repeated it lot of times, I will trust any result made in a lab with photo, etc. I do not have any slightest doubt that an GMP certified lab could mess something up here. I accept these results completely as I promised from the very beginning and we will do our best to find out what`s wrong.
I am still very interested what is the possible accuracy and tolerance. I guess it shall be not more than 1%. But need info from the lab. Also need info what was the reference sample, tren + ace ester or just tren. Will wait for Millards raw data.

I am a member of Pharmacom Labs team, so I am a rep of the manufacturer itself. I work in the company in the sales department, I am responsible for bulk orders in some regions. And since November 2014 I am also responsible basicstero.com store, our store, our direct store which we decided to open in order to sell our products directly and provide lowest prices in the market. In fact I paly here 2 roles, as Pharmacom employee, which you can contact in case of any questions regarding our products and secondly as seller and manager of basicstero.com store. The word reseller would not fit here. We do not buy products in bulk to resell them, we manufacture them and sell directly.

So, as I said, if there is a willing person, which has an opportunity to ship his closed tren a to Simec lab I would gladly see the results of the second test and reimburse it. Now it is very important for all of us.

Ok so your saying that if someone places an order through you or your basicstero website, their product comes direct from the lab? Does it go through any other hands before they receive their product? No resellers? No resenders?

 

[biglumber69]

Ok so your saying that if someone places an order through you or your basicstero website, their product comes direct from the lab? Does it go through any other hands before they receive their product? No resellers? No resenders?

If you use USA domestic then there is a reshipper

 

[PHL Official]

Ok so your saying that if someone places an order through you or your basicstero website, their product comes direct from the lab? Does it go through any other hands before they receive their product? No resellers? No resenders?

If you use USA domestic then there is a reshipper

Yes, this is exactly what I was saying. I have to clarify. Of coarse we do not store all items in our production facility, it is not designed for this. All items we produce are stored in our big warehouse in China, which is very close to the production facility to reduce any transport expenses as possible . It is respectively equipped. It has refrigerators for our HGH, etc.
All items for all orders both for retail and bulk customers are packaged in this warehouse. We have our own employees, which work already lot of years and are experienced. They pack all orders, bulk and retail ones and ship directly to customers. If a customer receives not what he ordered, we reship missing or broken items free of charge of coarse. Items which were shipped by mistake he gets as compensation. We had a couple of such cases. Human factor, i think everyone understands it. If there are lot of orders and a person is packing them all the day.. this is routine and some mistakes could happen. But we fully compensate all of them. You could see it on example of Nitrust, which made this case open. However to reship missing or damaged items we ask to make photos of the unpackaging process, this is in our terms and conditions in our store. In other way too many scammers trying to get free gear. In case of custom seizures we reship as well if seizure letter is provided.
USA domestic. When we only started we were looking for ways to the states and had no ties there. We just found a guy on one of the boards which agreed receive goods from us and ship orders from within the states. It was our mistake as you know. Hi did something wrong, parcels were lost, labels were stuck crookedly, etc. In the end he disappeared with our gear, scammed us.
After this we were looking for other ways to get in the USA our gear without the necessity to re-stick labels, etc. I asked our old bulk customers and found a best option, which could be only possible. This is a professional, which we do fully trust, we have been working with him over 3 years. We sent him gear in credit lot of times, he never scammed us. There were situations, when I had some calculation mistakes in his payments and profit was on his side, he corrected me. So we fully trust this person. Moreover, we do know him personally, not me, but my boss.
I do not consider him as a reseller. He is a remote employee of our company, he gets salary from us and works with us lot of years. Also about USA prices. One of the reasons why they are pretty high is cause we pay to him 50% of the profit from each item. This is a lot, believe me. As result you get best service, USA domestic delivery within 2-4 days, all pills and vials in original blisters/packages, nothing is resticked or relabeled. Vials which you get in our USA store are labeled directly in the factory by mashine. We ship items to the USA warehouse from our warehouse where we ship international orders from. Now everything works smoothly and no mix-ups occur.
Our employees are rewarded good, but we demand from them respectively much. The same with our European store. If you place order in any section of our store you get guarantee of original products. If you think our products are bunk or fake, you can always send them to a lab, Simec, if it shows bunk, you get refunded! I promise you. In some cases we can also cover expenses for Simec testing. But this shall be negotiated and agreed in each case individually.

 

[redrum720]

Yes, this is exactly what I was saying. I have to clarify. Of coarse we do not store all items in our production facility, it is not designed for this. All items we produce are stored in our big warehouse in China, which is very close to the production facility to reduce any transport expenses as possible . All items for all orders, for retail customers and for bulk customers. We have our own employees, several teams, which work already lot of years and are experienced. They pack all orders, bulk and retails. They ship them to you, This is directly. All order ship our employees, which get good salaries to avoid any mistakes.
USA domestic. When we only started we were looking for ways to the states and had no ties there. We just found a guy on one of the boards which agreed receive goods from us and ship orders from within the states. It was our mistake as you know. Hi did something wrong, parcels were lost, labels were stuck crookedly, etc. In the end he disappeared with our gear, scammed us. After this we were looking for other ways to get in the USA our gear without the necessity to re-stick labels, etc. I asked our old bulk customers and found a best option, which could be only possible. This is a professional, which we do fully trust, we have been working with him over 3 years. We sent him gear in credit, he never scammed us. There were situations, when I had some calculation mistakes in his payments and profit was on his side, he corrected me. So we fully trust this person. Moreover, we do know him personally, not me, but my boss. I do not consider him as a reseller. He is a remote employee of our company, gets salary from us. Also about USA prices. One of the reasons why they are pretty high is cause we pay to him 50% of the profit from each item. This is a lot, believe me. As result you get best service, USA domestic delivery within 2-4 days, all pills and vials in original blisters/packages, nothing is resticked or relabeled. Vials which you get in our USA store are sticked directly in the factory. We ship items to the USA warehouse from our warehouse where we ship international orders from. Now everything works smoothly and no mix ups are possible. Our employees are rewarded good, but we demand from them respectively much. The same with our European store. If you place order in our store you get guarantee of original products. If you think our products are bunk or fake, you can always send them to a lab, Simec, if it shows bunk, you get refund! I promise you. In some cases we can also cover expenses for Simec testing. But this shall be negotiated and agreed in each case individually.

So.Darius is just some guy and your guy is better
I want you to clarify who Darius is how.much u trust him

 

[Joedoe]

Thanks for clarifying that.

So if one were to order international, then that would come straight from China. Correct? I am just wondering which way one could order where the product goes through the least amount of hands as possible.

 

[redrum720]

Thanks for clarifying that.

So if one were to order international, then that would come straight from China. Correct? I am just wondering which way one could order where the product goes through the least amount of hands as possible.

Hey he says he trust his guy sooooooo

 

[PHL Official]

So.Darius is just some guy and your guy is better
I want you to clarify who Darius is how.much u trust him

Bro, Darius is not just some guy. This is virtually our oldest reseller, which made Pharmacom famous as brand worldwide. He is respected here and on other boards. His store is on the third place in the list of best sources on eroids, which considers not only products quality, but also customer service. If we did not trust to him, he would not be in the list of our official resellers. Products which you get from us and from him are made at the same facility. I do not see any reasons not to trust him. Yes, some mistakes are possible, delays, wrong shipped items, etc. But we also could do this. We all are people, not robots. You can order from Darius or from me or from other our resellers, it is only up to you. I am sure you get genuine products in any case. For vials you have check codes and in any case will be able to check them independent on where they have been purchased.

Thanks for clarifying that.

So if one were to order international, then that would come straight from China. Correct? I am just wondering which way one could order where the product goes through the least amount of hands as possible.

Correct. At this if ordered regular mail in our store we still provide tracking number, but no signature is required. We had no seizures with the regular mail yet at all. Only 3 seizures with EMS and all were seized in San Francisco. So if you are next to it better to chose the regular male.

Hey he says he trust his guy sooooooo

I really do. There are people which have principles. I would never scam people intentionally. You don`t know me of course, but I know myself. I work with this guy also a long time and I know him as well. There were never any problems for over 3 years. He just has enough profit and does not need nay ways to get more profit by counterfeiting. Moreover as I said he is our bulk customer and has own business and lot of own customers outside of our retails store.

 

[Joedoe]

@redrum720 yes thats true....but I think most people would agree that the less hands on their gear the better.

I dont order online. I have locals near me that homebrew. Im just trying to help solve the MESO mystery of why millards tests are good and some people get complaints and some dont. I just dont buy the "some batches are good some arent" theory.

Somewhere theres gotta be a weak link in the chain. At least thats what Im thinking so far.

 

[redrum720]

Bro, Darius is not just some guy. This is virtually our oldest reseller, which made Pharmacom famous as brand worldwide. He is respected here and on other boards. His store is on the third place in the list of best sources on eroids, which considers not only products quality, but also customer service. If we did not trust to him, he would not be in the list of our official resellers. Products which you get from us and from him are made at the same facility. I do not see any reasons not to trust him. Yes, some mistakes are possible, delays, wrong shipped items, etc. But we also could do this. We all are people, not robots. You can order from Darius or from me or from other our resellers, it is only up to you. I am sure you get genuine products in any case. For vials you have check codes and in any case will be able to check them independent on where they have been purchased.

Correct. At this if ordered regular mail in our store we still provide tracking number, but no signature is required. We had no seizures with the regular mail yet at all. Only 3 seizures with EMS and all were seized in San Francisco. So if you are next to it better to chose the regular male.

Darius states.you guys send labels separate which I consider very very bad and one can mislabeled product why don't you or the warehouse just send it label So there would be less issue also to many resellers there is bound to be a lot more fuck ups just saying

 

[redrum720]

@redrum720 yes thats true....but I think most people would agree that the less hands on their gear the better.

I dont order online. I have locals near me that homebrew. Im just trying to help solve the MESO mystery of why millards tests are good and some people get complaints and some dont. I just dont buy the "some batches are good some arent" theory.

Somewhere theres gotta be a weak link in the chain. At least thats what Im thinking so far.

Yea they don't test there raws why u think there is a piss fight for others to test there raws
Darius didn't mind for.members here find a lab that would test the gear and him pay for it there was no reimbursement ur lab u pay
If new a lab I would say hey these ppl test gear it's this much and show them proof and they should pay
For a company that big every batch should be tested every raw has to be tested
I'll just order from wildcats

 

[double-leg]

We are focusing resources on AAS for now.

Ok

 

[PHL Official]

Darius states.you guys send labels separate which I consider very very bad and one can mislabeled product why don't you or the warehouse just send it label So there would be less issue also to many resellers there is bound to be a lot more fuck ups just saying

To be honest I would prefer not to discus Darius in this thread. We have this practice to ship labels separately. But all vials are marked in this case and in one package are vials of only one type. say 1 package with test p only. and nothing more inside. labels shipped separately We do this for our resellers if they ask for this. As a rule we do this only for really big resellers which order big amounts, where custom is really a problem. I am speaking generally, independent on the country. This helps. Of coarse in this case responsibility for correctly labeled vials is on our resellers. We can not control this remotely. In any case possibility to mix up something and stick a wrong label is low. As you noticed our caps have different colors for different compounds, it helps a bit as well.
As for our USA basicstero store, we shipped vials and labales separately to our first reseller, I never hided this and mentioned that some labels can be sticked crockedly, there were even photos here. Our reseller scammed us and disappeared. We started working with our bulk customer / employee, the first restocking he received from us was also like this - vials and labels separately. Cause we already had parcels ready to ship to the old reseller and he scammed us. With our new employee we found another way to transport gear and we don`t restick labels now. You always get vials with labels stuck an the factory. However we still have vials in USA stock with resticked labels. They all are correct I am sure. By the way within about 2 weeks we expect a big restocking of hour USA warehouse. All vials will be not touched. All orals in blisters.
Replying your question, there are not always ways and opportunities to import into some country gear in genuine packages and with genuine labels. This all is illegal in the most countries of the world, don`t forget it.
Also i think the less we talk about it the better. I probably revealed already too much info. The less we talk about it the more it is safe for both you and us.