Hi Doc, not splitting hairs to argue with you. Just pointing out some failure in the fundamentals of the whole notion. Of course there is always safety in ambiguity.
On topic, but opposing - Here is an interesting one:
http://www.behav.org/kabai/abstracts/kabai_alopecia_prostate_cancer.pdf
So I wonder does wearing a hat make a difference... LOL[
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I guess I was pointing out that what I suspected is that "AGA" is MPB (Male pattern baldness), and is there really any other kind.??
And that it was my belief that the article was describing essentially that MPB corolates with PC, and that any other kind of condition (rare) of hair loss may not.???
Well I guess then the article/study is referring to the crown or "bald spot", and not the front temporal region. I have never really paid attention. I believe the problem here lies in the poor use of terms by the study. I saw a couple of definitions citing the "vertex" as the point at which first rears at child birth, which I recall is a gross disfiguration of head and presenting "skull cap" first...
vertex - definition of vertex in the Medical dictionary - by the Free Online Medical Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
So I just think of the highest point of the head being a center line from the top of the frontal region to the top of the rear crown.
The term/acronym "AGA", as androgenic alopecia - is there really any other kind, That is other than general head hair thinning uniform throughout, which is rare as not related to androgens regardless anyway.
STILL, is there any form of male hairloss that is not androgen related and still involving the front upper temporal to some degree. Its rare to see a man with a flat out bald spot and no frontal hair loss... short of medical conditions otherwise, of course...
I found a related article here:
John Libbey Eurotext : Éditions médicales et scientifiques France : revues, médicales, scientifiques, médecine, santé, livres - Texte intégral de l'article
This is a good article from 2011 I think that has lots of info that could be interpreted all kinds of ways...:
http://www.univermind.com/publicaciones/Galerada FINAL.pdf
I still cant find access to the full article referenced in the original post....
Is it safe to assume then that they are referring really to Male Pattern Baldness?:
Male Pattern Baldness | Androgenetic Alopecia | AGA Mens Hair Loss | Lam Institute for Hair Restoration
Ironically, in my experience with friends and general discussion with other men's life experience, it is also the crown vertex area which is most susceptible to temporary hair loss as stress/circulatory induced, as well as other more temporary conditions...!! I knew a guy once that got so stressed he completely lost the crown area of his hair, and it all came back within a year. I suspect its due to the furthest point which the heart pumps blood, and hence the first to suffer from lack of...:
The Crown: Important or Not? | Spex uk hair transplant veteran
This presentation is incomplete as is, but in a laymans concept as the word "vertex", one would think that #34 in the picture would be included.?:
Vertex Scalp - Pictures - Wellsphere
Further vertex definitions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertex_(geometry)
vertex - definition of vertex by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Why cant they just say "crown"? The "highest point" is not the "vertex" of the skull on anyone I don't think..? Looking a guys with MPB, the crown which goes first, and I believe the article is referring, is on the downslope of the rear of the skull. AGAIN, I suspect selfish omniscient power flex by medical science's limited approach and perspective...
Somehow, society has trained me to see a guy with a bald spot and think to myself that he is due for all kinds of androgen related conditions inclusive of cancer!
It has NOT trained me to see a bald guy and wonder what other underlying conditions my contribute to future cancer then fueled by high androgen levels. Like all metabolic life, both androgens and estrogens are required in all cells for activity - to some degree, but usually BOTH. My suspicion is that androgens are metabolized much more quickly in the male body as compared to estrogens. As possibly denoted by a potentially more markedly increase in testicular atrophy related to the supplementing of exogenous testosterone by men with greater proportions of androgen tissue factors/population. Thus, of course men capable of metabolizing more androgens and their derivatives will have greater collateral cellular response in conditions of illness, as well as health. In short, I suspect improper or excess estrogen activity my CAUSE failures like many cancers, and then all normal hormones fuel the progression and growth reflective of the normal hormonal conditions. Wouldn't it be the kicker that while estrogen makes life, it is also the ender of - and from a sense more so of a SYSTEM FAILURE, rather than NORMAL WEAR.
*** Consider (1) woman and (1000) men can breed and populate a planet GENETICALLY healthy. (1) man and (1000) women will breed a society of GENETIC INCEST....! Possibly? He would be a happy camper..! Could just doubling the number of men to (2) completely negate these odds? Do the male genetics supersede the woman's in the final offspring's profile. Or is it the other way around...
:drooling: The second scenario would breed the population 1000 x's faster - of course.. How many folks kids do YOU know that look predominantly like their father, or a father from past??!! Is than an order for genetic control in precedence of reproductive hiearchy??
IF ANY OF THE PREMISE I HAVE LAID DOWN ABOVE IS CORRECT (
with the exception of the last paragraph - lol), then we have to denote the following:
1. This is potentially subversively misleading back to the old premise that ANDROGENS are associated with PC.
2. The study makes no discern for conditions leading up to prostate cancer diagnosis. It is my personal belief that estrogens MAY be the culprit in the culmination of PC, and that the hormones (androgens & estrogens) then feed the corruption which is already complete in action. Of course that makes sense as hormones appear to be required in all normal cellular metabolic activity throughout the body.
3. Could it be possible that guys with higher scalp presented androgen activity are also suspect to higher cancer activity once developed.diagnosed? and that is all there is to it? After all, I doubt they included 65-75 year old males in their study?? The abstract speaks of "age related" but they make no mention of the study group profile specifics?!?!
4. What about all the old coots with no hair and no prostate cancer?!! Again, a study which appears to service either its self, or anyone wishing to utilize it in a medically $$ productive way..
5. One thing it does bring to mind, is that if prostate cancer correlates with androgen related hair loss, and in any way, then how does this relate to underlying estrogen related metabolic conditions in these individuals.??
6. Do old guys with full heads of hair get prostate cancer? Young guys? Logic would suggest that they would have an estrogen positive imbalance in hormone activity. So why not all dead of estrogen related cancer. Is this proof of the slower rate of hormonal metabolism of estrogens? Is that proof that if estrogens are mostly responsible for making cancer in men, that it requires androgens to fuel and grow it, and at a proportionately reflective rate?
Some more interestingly related articles:
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** So is it my current and past high estrogen generating principles protecting me from going completely bald, or is it my LACK of androgen principles that is not present to cause the hairloss?
Based on my premises, I am the poster child from prostate cancer, and early before 50, as I have high estrogen factors while also having considerable androgen factors remaining in place...! The CAUSE and the FUEL according to ME... It would certainly suggest the i am far from MODERATE in lifestyle and abundant in too much of everything. While it appears MODERATE (in my mind)in that i am not overly abundant as WEIGHTED to one side or the other - hormonally speaking. This would be a test of receptor competition among different tissue types. Or even a test of the presence of certain receptors as possibly influences by other hormone factors, both biologically produced as well as exogenously supplied. Does one hormone facet balance or protect the other. Or does one hormone facet actually influence tissue receptor growth and generation via overabundance of SUPPLY??
The only thing that is for sure is that my shit has not been working right for 7 years now at least. I have neglected these physical indications too long without making any effort to change the underlying physical conditions which may be contributing. Genetic failure, or self induced results.??!!? A combination I am certain, but the weight on the second greater I fear...
Insanity Lamented and SQUARED indeed...
No! It is associated with Vertex balding.