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[gotmyles]

I read frozen peptides and gh can last up to 2 years frozen and unconstituted. Does anyone have a reference on how long they last reconstituted in the fridge? I read somewhere a person still had potency up to 3 months in the fridge mixed.
MPMD said he knew someone how had mixed GH in his woman’s purse for a year and it still had effects.

@Qingdao Sigma Chemicals what does it mean when a product has a line going through the name?

my limited chemistry knowledge would assume that the oxygen in the water would continue to oxidise the molecule whether its frozen or not. as well as during the crystallization during freezing would also add some kind of minor physical grinding effect. i imagine each re-freeze would considerably damage the product.

im not a real expert though and i imagine someone will followup with a more experienced anecdotal conniption fit

 

[Peeledbanana]

my limited chemistry knowledge would assume that the oxygen in the water would continue to oxidise the molecule whether its frozen or not. as well as during the crystallization during freezing would also add some kind of minor physical grinding effect. i imagine each re-freeze would considerably damage the product.

im not a real expert though and i imagine someone will followup with a more experienced anecdotal conniption fit

Most definitely I read refreezing is the worst for peptides. I’ll have to do more research to see other anecdotal reports. Also as a follow up, do y’all have experience with pip/infection from QSC bac water? If using 10iu kits would you need a new BAC vial for each 10iu reconstitution?

 

[Peeledbanana]

Most definitely I read refreezing is the worst for peptides. I’ll have to do more research to see other anecdotal reports. Also as a follow up, do y’all have experience with pip/infection from QSC bac water? If using 10iu kits would you need a new BAC vial for each 10iu reconstitution?

If using 1-2iu per day. I would think it would be smart to reconstitute 3 kits to last the 28 days of sterilization per bac water? I read some people say their BAC water last up to 6 months without infection if following safety protocols of wipe down/new swab/no air flow. I read they wouldn’t push reconstituted further than 6 months.

 

[runway]

For the average user though by the time they get through 1/2 the vial significant degredation will have happened.

Isn't hcg degradation an urban legend? I think it should be good for 2 months even at room temp.

 

[Den84]

@Qingdao Sigma Chemicals I sent you new order (mail) Sunday morning, but I still haven't received any response…Is it still possible to order by email? or only by Whatsapp? In any case give me your whatsapp number , I will try to order by whatsapp.

 

[gx52a]

my limited chemistry knowledge would assume that the oxygen in the water would continue to oxidise the molecule whether its frozen or not. as well as during the crystallization during freezing would also add some kind of minor physical grinding effect. i imagine each re-freeze would considerably damage the product.

im not a real expert though and i imagine someone will followup with a more experienced anecdotal conniption fit

Physical grinding? lmao these are molecules dude

The main concern about freezing and unfreezing tends to be either cold denaturation or freeze concentration (as the water freezes, the peptides are concentrated into smaller and smaller liquid phases).

If they're normally freeze dried, cold denaturation is probably not an issue. No idea about the cold concentration.

The benefit of freezing is primarily kinetic. Whatever damage to the peptides normally takes place at room temp (whether oxidation or otherwise) will be greatly slowed at freezing temps. A good compromise is refrigeration just above freezing.

As far as HCG goes... the insert for Pregnyl says it's good for 60 days if refrigerated. These estimates tend to be very conservative.

 

[Dirthand]

If using 1-2iu per day. I would think it would be smart to reconstitute 3 kits to last the 28 days of sterilization per bac water? I read some people say their BAC water last up to 6 months without infection if following safety protocols of wipe down/new swab/no air flow. I read they wouldn’t push reconstituted further than 6 months.

Why not just reconstitute 1 vial at a time... that's what I do. I do 6iu a day I have 12iu vials. I put 8 units water in and do half o e morning the other half the next. Keep vial in fridge overnight. Just curious why you would want to reconstitute 3 kits at a time?

 

[unloopme]

hey guys, this thread is enormous. can someone please link me to the price list and ordering info?
thanks!

 

[Zebedee]

Unless you've only pinned once a year for the last 20 years, there isn't a chance you haven't developed scar tissue.

Unless you’ve used the same techniques & kit choices as I have & also done that for 20 years, I don’t see how you can be so certain that I haven’t any symptoms of scar tissue.

 

[rask1123]

A big batch of HMG will be produced straight after CNY holidays and a part of it will be sent to USA warehouse

thanks, great news!

 

[BigRed91]

hey guys, this thread is enormous. can someone please link me to the price list and ordering info?
thanks!

Honestly the list is so big it'll be too much for you to look through so just send me ur money and I'll order for you.

 

[Zebedee]

There must be a lot of threads on this topic then because you didn’t read the one where I posted the study that determined there was significant amounts of glass even after using a syringe filter and where I posted a picture of a piece of plastic that I had wiped with some of the contaminated oil, leaving the residue of the glass shards visible

Well mate next time this topic comes up again (preferably in an injecting related thread), you be sure to link all those threads I obviously missed (…. because I missed your one posted study) where there’s guys talking about having problems from glass they’ve injected after drawing from an amp.

Not much point us continuing this debate here really as it’s just going to get buried

 

[Zebedee]

I can see 10k IU being useful for guys on a fertility protocol. For the average user though by the time they get through 1/2 the vial significant degredation will have happened. 2.5k or 5k seems ideal for the average user. I actually have a seasonal use for 10k IU but would more commonly use 2.5k or 5k.

The price is great if you can get through 10k in 4 weeks. I guess at 4 weeks one could half the remaining IU to account for breakdown.

I’ve been reconstituting hcg, drawn it into syringes & then frozen those syringes, removing one at a time as & when I’ve needed to. Have done that for several years & have never noticed any drop off in terms of potency, eg any testicular atrophy.

Anecdotal obviously, but I’ve known other guys that have found the same,

I was under the impression that it was multiple freeze - thaw cycles that degraded hcg.

Would be nice to see Jamo do series of tests on this frozen issue like Liska had Jano do for refrigerated hcg.

As for Vigorous Steve announcing refrigerated hcg is only good for 3 weeks, I’m wondering if he’s using Liska’s research to come to that conclusion.

 

[gx52a]

As for Vigorous Steve announcing refrigerated hcg is only good for 3 weeks, I’m wondering if he’s using Liska’s research to come to that conclusion.

Vigorous Steve is spreading misinformation for clicks, as usual. Dude is the Jim Cramer of steroids

 

[baxter0312]

Vigorous Steve is spreading misinformation for clicks, as usual. Dude is the Jim Cramer of steroids

Dude you just have to use his recommended medicine cabinet of supplements and you wouldn’t think that

 

[Zebedee]

Vigorous Steve is spreading misinformation for clicks, as usual. Dude is the Jim Cramer of steroids

Aye he’s a bit of a dick. Eg his “OMG EO will melt your insides” silliness. I was just curious as to why he’s suddenly giving a 2-3 week time frame as best for reconstituted & refrigerated hcg, as that’s basically what Liska’s trials with Jano found, only Liska’s no longer around to take the credit for that research project.

 

[Crashrandom]

NYE order showed up today but all the Test-C was crashed out of solution. Went back after some warm water but holding my breath that it holds.

 

[Eddie.]

I’ve been reconstituting hcg, drawn it into syringes & then frozen those syringes, removing one at a time as & when I’ve needed to. Have done that for several years & have never noticed any drop off in terms of potency, eg any testicular atrophy.

Anecdotal obviously, but I’ve known other guys that have found the same,

I was under the impression that it was multiple freeze - thaw cycles that degraded hcg.

That's what i'm doing too, i draw from the vial for 2 weeks and the rest of them i draw to slin pins, draw the plunger a bit back to leave space for the solution to expand while freeze and then take one out literally 5 minutes before i pin, it dethaw quickly. I did it with urine purified and now i'm doing it with recombinant hcg, the ovitrelle. They came out crystal clear so i don't think it's a problem. Many guys do this for years..with HCG though, not other peptides.

 

[UncleBuns]

I’ve been reconstituting hcg, drawn it into syringes & then frozen those syringes, removing one at a time as & when I’ve needed to. Have done that for several years & have never noticed any drop off in terms of potency, eg any testicular atrophy.

Anecdotal obviously, but I’ve known other guys that have found the same,

I was under the impression that it was multiple freeze - thaw cycles that degraded hcg.

Would be nice to see Jamo do series of tests on this frozen issue like Liska had Jano do for refrigerated hcg.

As for Vigorous Steve announcing refrigerated hcg is only good for 3 weeks, I’m wondering if he’s using Liska’s research to come to that conclusion.

For some reason I thought reconstituted HCG was destroyed if frozen. Maybe I'm mixing that info up with a different peptide. Thanks for the info. I'll look into this. If it can be frozen then the 10K IU vials are clutch.

 

[BigRed91]

NYE order showed up today but all the Test-C was crashed out of solution. Went back after some warm water but holding my breath that it holds.

Check them really good for floaters with a good flashlight, lots of mine had them.