AlexDavis43
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Seems like a non-issue based on user feedback here on Meso. People are experiencing efficacy even down to the side effects, similar to clinical trial data on pharma GLPs.
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Seems like a non-issue based on user feedback here on Meso. People are experiencing efficacy even down to the side effects, similar to clinical trial data on pharma GLPs.
egruberman
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I'm wondering how you came to this conclusion? I'm not surprised, as the salt form would be more stable in transit, but I'm curious if the Chinese manufacturers are sharing this information?
egruberman
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I personally ran pharma Ozempic for a while before the Chinese semaglutide and noticed no difference in dose response or side effects.
AlexDavis43
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Hopefully this issue gets squashed soon and it doesn't go on forever like people swearing by pharma/UGL GH, unwilling to accept little/no difference as the answer.
Ghoul
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The compounding pharmacies have all been using salt versions of the API as well. At least that's been repeatedly referred to by the FDA/Pharma campaign against the GLPs not sourced from Lily or Novo. Of course the compounders are legally permitted to sell Sema and Tirz despite the patents as long as the drugs are in official shortage. They imply that means something, without giving any specifics, so it's probably nothing. But still, I wonder why the difference. With salt form more stable what's the advantage of making it as base?
The only difference I've noticed is that with pharma, Wegovy and Zepbound, I always feel something within 30 minutes. Nothing good, usually momentary nausea with Wegovy or slight blurred vision with Zepbound, like a very brief hypoglycemia, and never had that with the UGL stuff, but other than that the experience with both has been the same.
Iron_Yuppie
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Oh I know exactly what it means, but nobody is anywhere near ready for that conversation. It’s funny you mention this because it came up in another conversation outside of this place just yesterday. Weird coincidence…
Ghoul
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It's like you consulted a CIA psyops expert to come up with a post perfectly designed to drive me insane. lol
Iron_Yuppie
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As someone who used Mounjaro and the non pharma version I can say that this is absolutely not true. Lilly never sent me pens that were total duds, either. But the Chinese version is cheap enough that I don’t have unreasonable expectations.
karambit
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If by studies you mean reddit posts, blogs, and news articles. Which we all trust 100% right
Nahh! I'm talking about Alex Davis homework.
Not just abstrats and truncated summary's from Journals But the entire study which requires a subscription.
So maybe you can save some of your duckets and catch up with some knowledge in the next 50 yrs or so
Iron_Yuppie
Member
Well now that my cover is blown I guess I need to find the nearest safe house and lay low for a while. Man I hate Karachi.
Ghoul
Member
OK, now I know it's because with the salts you can easily cleave Covid V2 eye melting edition onto the molecule when you've hit a critical mass of users in the US.
AlexDavis43
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I have subscriptions to most of these journals through my institution. And you send me a link for this?!
Mads
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How come they dont carry 42 unit HGH from china? Only from warehouses?
Ghoul
Member
Do your thing, we're just trying to put a little more distance between swole and your kids collecting on the life insurance, lol.
You might not believe this, but there are some of us who have been doing this sensibly for decades and have practiced harm reduction without sounding like a smart know it all and have the healthier than thou attitude.
Iron_Yuppie
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Eh, at this point I can count on one hand the number of people who fit this description here at present day Meso, particularly in this thread. With the influx of TikTok kids and the lonely husbands of obese wine moms flooding this place it’s probably not a bad idea to do a little more harm reduction, even if it’s redundant for guys like us who have been around long enough to know how to not hurt ourselves. I’d rather see more posts about how not to die young instead of another dumbass Boomer argument about US vs Canada or hot talk about crypto by people who still have a MySpace page.
Bigbicep
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Anyone else ordered test e from qsc lately? Usally it comes with white tops and orange metal with sorta yellow oil now it’s clear purple tops with more clear oil. Has anyone else recently had this? Have they accidentally sent me the wrong product?
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Bigbicep
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Btw QSC I love the little plastic kits they come in now really nice touch 
xrayphoton13
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The color of the top means absolutely nothing. They've said that many times. Send to jano if you are concerned. For what it's worth my test e from qsc from 2 months ago has green tops and is completely clear and I did send it to jano for testing and results came back perfect, slightly overdosed even
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