Question about Test No Ester and Test Base

[WeaponPharma]

i wanted to know if "test no ester" is the same as "test base"? I have raw test base and I am hoping it is the same thing as TNE - it makes sense to me that it is, but I want to be sure. Secondly, does anyone here administer TNE orally? Sorry if these are stupid newbie questions - I swear I have looked for an answer without successs

 

[Sector]

It should be the same thing, yes.

Haven't heard of an oral form, only seen it in oil/acqeous form (doesn't mean it's not possible to have an oral form, I just haven't personally seen it)

 

[lukiss96]

No ester is no ester. So yes.

Never heard about oral version of it, like @Sector said.

 

[WeaponPharma]

Thanks very much gents

I will see if I can dig anything up but I seem to recall it being able to be ingested orally.

 

[readalot]

i wanted to know if "test no ester" is the same as "test base"? I have raw test base and I am hoping it is the same thing as TNE - it makes sense to me that it is, but I want to be sure. Secondly, does anyone here administer TNE orally? Sorry if these are stupid newbie questions - I swear I have looked for an answer without successs

Yes, you can administer testosterone base via buccal route using a troche or oral suspension you would hold at gumline. Good bioavailability / absorption straight to bloodstream). I like the troches better (more precise delivery to buccal mucosa).

If you know what you are doing you could even measure out raw powder and place it directly on gumline like chew. Requires precision work though which is why the troches are so useful.

Search results for query: Testosterone troche

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Nandrolone no ester source

https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/testosterone-1-mg-troches

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Anyone else never use pre workout?

saying that TNE is placebo Never said that. My comment was that injecting water based Test no ester and thinking it has PK profile that a supports PWO formula is false. Hence if you had injected test suspension and thought it kicked in 1 or 2 hours that would be placebo. TNE is the same...

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Side note: If you want an oral T formulation you can swallow then look up oral testosterone undecanoate (Kyzatrez, Jatenzo).

 

[Bigbicep]

I’m not experienced with TNE but if you have raws then you should brew it into a injectable. Double check with the source to see if it can be taken orally because if not then it might not do anything if taken orally. If you can take it orally then make a suspension or solution out of it.

 

[readalot]

Swallowing test base is practically worthless.

 

[Deleted member 59947]

Swallowing test base is practically worthless.

It actually has a very good bioavailibility and feels very good.
Why would DHEA and pregnenolone have good profiles and be recommended orally while magically testosterone unbound to any ester would not make it to the bloodstream ?

Some broscience clichés are long lasting.

 

[readalot]

It actually has a very good bioavailibility and feels very good.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2362.1977.tb01588.x

 

[WeaponPharma]

gents thank you SO MUCH for this incredible information.

FYI i obtained a fuckload of this stuff because I heard anecdotally that it can turn the missus into a total mess. Yeah, I am keen to try TNE as a PWO option, but since I started using about 2 years ago, my libido has been way higher than my wife's. I understand that 10-20mg of this sends the girls totally and utterly wild - genuinely unlike anything else. Feedback welcome. I will also report back once the missus has had a crack

thank you so much again everyone

 

[6tren]

It actually has a very good bioavailibility and feels very good.
Why would DHEA and pregnenolone have good profiles and be recommended orally while magically testosterone unbound to any ester would not make it to the bloodstream ?

Some broscience clichés are long lasting.

I was about to say the same. Take 25 mg pre-workout is great. But I do crash afterwards, half life is short. Maybe split up 3 times per day for stable levels

 

[Deleted member 59947]

gents thank you SO MUCH for this incredible information.

FYI i obtained a fuckload of this stuff because I heard anecdotally that it can turn the missus into a total mess. Yeah, I am keen to try TNE as a PWO option, but since I started using about 2 years ago, my libido has been way higher than my wife's. I understand that 10-20mg of this sends the girls totally and utterly wild - genuinely unlike anything else. Feedback welcome. I will also report back once the missus has had a crack

thank you so much again everyone

Not at all.

Already gave 100mg to my ex she felt nothing out of the ordinary.

 

[Deleted member 59947]

I was about to say the same. Take 25 mg pre-workout is great. But I do crash afterwards, half life is short. Maybe split up 3 times per day for stable levels

Keep it as long as you can under your tongue then swallow it.

25mg is nothing, I take 200mg three times a day.

 

[BouleauBoulot]

@Goingstronger
Yo
I've seen on the RPF you tested tren base, does'it feels like high test and e2, more or less energetic (trensomnia?) ?

 

[Deleted member 59947]

@Goingstronger
Yo
I've seen on the RPF you tested tren base, does'it feels like high test and e2, more or less energetic (trensomnia?) ?

Don't touch 19nor kid, they are too risky.
Stick to testosterone.

 

[BouleauBoulot]

Don't touch 19nor kid, they are too risky.
Stick to testosterone.

I'm willing to believe you, but I found testosterone also dangerous.
I stopped it because it started severe insomnia and made me look like some kind of pig or beef, lol.
I think it also made my prostate swell and my testicles have still not returned to their initial volume, despite testosterone production is again quite high (900ng/dl), FSH is probably crashed, idk.

The only advantage is that I now have more developed facial features, almost model level.

 

[Sector]

I'm willing to believe you, but I found testosterone also dangerous.
I stopped it because it started severe insomnia and made me look like some kind of pig or beef, lol.
I think it also made my prostate swell and my testicles have still not returned to their initial volume, despite testosterone production is again quite high (900ng/dl), FSH is probably crashed, idk.

The only advantage is that I now have more developed facial features, almost model level.

What dose of testosterone were you taking?

Higher doses can cause a good bit of water retention and "moon face", especially if you're not lean and/or have high estrogen.

I would actually argue the contrary though as to the safeness of testosterone. It's one of the original, most studied compounds with plenty of scientific studies and ancedotal data to back it. Obviously running high amounts can throw lipids off, but I'd argue testosterone is probably one of the safest compounds out there (relative to other AAS).

But yes, testicle shrinkage is expected when your body stops producing endogenous testosterone. This can be fixed easily with HCG, or if stopping cycles, a proper PCT with SERMS. I wouldn't worry about the testicle shrinkage honestly, unless you're just insecure about it or something. It's temporary and very easy to fix

 

[BouleauBoulot]

What dose of testosterone were you taking?

700 to 1400mg per week i would say.
Yes it's a lot, more than necesserary, but reduce the dosage did nothing.
The only thing that correct se was stop test and let HPTA axis come again.

Higher doses can cause a good bit of water retention and "moon face", especially if you're not lean and/or have high estrogen.

I got this weird moon shaped face yes

I would actually argue the contrary though as to the safeness of testosterone. It's one of the original, most studied compounds with plenty of scientific studies and ancedotal data to back it. Obviously running high amounts can throw lipids off, but I'd argue testosterone is probably one of the safest compounds out there (relative to other AAS).

I agree
I didn't want to take exemestane, estradiol actually participates a lot in virilization and anabolism.
A SERM is also yet another supplemental medication, humm.

But yes, testicle shrinkage is expected when your body stops producing endogenous testosterone. This can be fixed easily with HCG, or if stopping cycles, a proper PCT with SERMS. I wouldn't worry about the testicle shrinkage honestly, unless you're just insecure about it or something. It's temporary and very easy to fix

I had testicular pain for several weeks or even months and they have regained a little volume, the hair is also back.
But they are still a little smaller and hang more, so ejaculations and libido are not great despite a fairly high testosterone level and decent energy.

What I suspect is that spermatogenesis is much more fragile and takes a long time to recover, especially with poor health (lack of sleep, stress...)
I tried HCG out of paranoia, but it didn't change anything, maybe it was even harmful because HCG suppresses FSH, and I don't have the money to put into HMG.
I also tried clomid and it was bad, I had major mood issues.

 

[Sector]

700 to 1400mg per week i would say.
Yes it's a lot, more than necesserary, but reduce the dosage did nothing.
The only thing that correct se was stop test and let HPTA axis come again.

I got this weird moon shaped face yes

I agree
I didn't want to take exemestane, estradiol actually participates a lot in virilization and anabolism.
A SERM is also yet another supplemental medication, humm.

I had testicular pain for several weeks or even months and they have regained a little volume, the hair is also back.
But they are still a little smaller and hang more, so ejaculations and libido are not great despite a fairly high testosterone level and decent energy.

What I suspect is that spermatogenesis is much more fragile and takes a long time to recover, especially with poor health (lack of sleep, stress...)
I tried HCG out of paranoia, but it didn't change anything, maybe it was even harmful because HCG suppresses FSH, and I don't have the money to put into HMG.
I also tried clomid and it was bad, I had major mood issues.

Yeah clomid is god awful. That stuff will have you crying over spilt milk, even if you're unemotional xD

Nolvadex is a solid SERM. Think theres also a newer serm called enclomiphene which is supposed to be clomid without the sides

 

[Deleted member 59947]

I'm willing to believe you, but I found testosterone also dangerous.
I stopped it because it started severe insomnia and made me look like some kind of pig or beef, lol.
I think it also made my prostate swell and my testicles have still not returned to their initial volume, despite testosterone production is again quite high (900ng/dl), FSH is probably crashed, idk.

The only advantage is that I now have more developed facial features, almost model level.

You complain from insomnia and suppression and want to switch from test to 19nor ?

Makes sense ...