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Recovery Log!! (in HM ONLY)
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Sorry to keep bugging you Tyler81 and I hope these questions are not too personal:
(1) Were you able to investigate what initially triggered the low "T" (root cause )
-> I ask because Most doctors treat the symptoms and not the root cause.
-> As you know the median T for 60 year old was above 550 ng/dl
(2) Did the doctor do any pituitary function test ?
(3) Did 5HTP stop working?
Sunday: 2000ius Beta Hcg to spark my nuts back up
Monday to Friday: 30mg Raloxefene (serm)
Feeling some mild testosterone boost finally after 5 days which seems about right. From my past recoveries the serm usually kicks in 4-5 days after the last beta hcg injection which makes sense considering the half life of beta hcg is 48 hours and the levels have to drop low enough for the serm to actually do it's thing.
But ya I feel good.
I have to cycle serms for them to stay effective but overall I have now tried on treatment/off treatment/on treatment/ (and now off again)
And the last on treatment sucked.
There is something about having my nuts working that I can quantify. Like an energy in my loins and body. Almost like a life energy. It makes sense to me since the purpose of life is to spread our seed so if my nuts are shutdown what is my real purpose??????
When my testicles are working i have better mental clarity.
My orgasms feel better and the post-coital afterglow feels way better.
I get a nice afterglow after a good workout which feels like a testosterone boost.
Those are just off the top of my head. My loads are better too lol TMI????
My plan is to take raloxefene for a few months, and then switch to toremifene.
Then circle back to tamoxifen (as needed).
I want to stay off indefinetly until i pop out a kid cause at my age i cant keep doing these restarts and expect my body to keep bouncing back. Sperm count takes awhile to get back up even after coming off so like I need to stay off for a good year or two have a kid and then think about what i want to do after that.
I am baby crazy now lol im joking but like it would be nice to impregnate some chick. lol.
Monday to Friday: 30mg Raloxefene (serm)
Feeling some mild testosterone boost finally after 5 days which seems about right. From my past recoveries the serm usually kicks in 4-5 days after the last beta hcg injection which makes sense considering the half life of beta hcg is 48 hours and the levels have to drop low enough for the serm to actually do it's thing.
But ya I feel good.
I have to cycle serms for them to stay effective but overall I have now tried on treatment/off treatment/on treatment/ (and now off again)
And the last on treatment sucked.
There is something about having my nuts working that I can quantify. Like an energy in my loins and body. Almost like a life energy. It makes sense to me since the purpose of life is to spread our seed so if my nuts are shutdown what is my real purpose??????
When my testicles are working i have better mental clarity.
My orgasms feel better and the post-coital afterglow feels way better.
I get a nice afterglow after a good workout which feels like a testosterone boost.
Those are just off the top of my head. My loads are better too lol TMI????
My plan is to take raloxefene for a few months, and then switch to toremifene.
Then circle back to tamoxifen (as needed).
I want to stay off indefinetly until i pop out a kid cause at my age i cant keep doing these restarts and expect my body to keep bouncing back. Sperm count takes awhile to get back up even after coming off so like I need to stay off for a good year or two have a kid and then think about what i want to do after that.
I am baby crazy now lol im joking but like it would be nice to impregnate some chick. lol.
Thank you. Since you'er young and healthy if I were you I would investigate the root cause further. Most conventional doctors can not think out of the box except doing the standard test. Most specialist talk to you very politely but are only goal is the maximize the number of patients they see $$$$. They only think about you for the 5 minutes that you're in their room. For the time they do research about an uncommon case they could see 10 more patients or play golf
I know it is very difficult and sometimes we put so much effort but reach a dead end.
However If I were you would get in touch with an Endocrinologist doing full time research in a university (possible the Head of the Department of Endocrinology) and explore in more detail in different angle.
There are some doctors who follow an integrative approach combines many types of treatments including naturopathy and high dose of IV Vitamin C, Glutathione, B Vitamins cocktail and much more.. I am not saying these will definitely work but have little or no side effect if you can afford it ($150 per IV session)
Tyler
Bite the bullet and go on T. 45 mgs 2x per week will work wonders. Ive known so many guys that do clomid or nolva and say they feel great then after a month or 2 they feel horrible. Its not a viable long term solution; Testosterone is. Or else you will be doing these nolva or clomid experiements for ever and in the mean time wasting quality of life in your younger years.
Bite the bullet and go on T. 45 mgs 2x per week will work wonders. Ive known so many guys that do clomid or nolva and say they feel great then after a month or 2 they feel horrible. Its not a viable long term solution; Testosterone is. Or else you will be doing these nolva or clomid experiements for ever and in the mean time wasting quality of life in your younger years.
Ive done the injection route and the problem is i still want kids. SO i am paranoid about shutting myself down as I approach 40.
Also I never felt great on injections. Felt way better on transdermals until they stopped absorbing as well. Now i need two packets of testim am and pm to be functional ....... Thats a lot of gel to slather all over my body lol
Also I never felt great on injections. Felt way better on transdermals until they stopped absorbing as well. Now i need two packets of testim am and pm to be functional ....... Thats a lot of gel to slather all over my body lol
Did another beta hcg injection. This time 500ius.
Want to regain some testicular size before serm only.
I am still taking raloxefene 30mg per day to help prevent and reduce chest puffyness and then after a few more beta hcg shots i will do serm only.
There is some DEFINITE mental clarity after I take beta hcg especially this lower dose. I cant explain it exactly but like, i just feel less foggy in my brain than I do on T only.
So I think for me Serms are better than testosterone ....
I have considered
Hcg
Serm
Testim
Combo too lol
Hcg for testicular size and mental clarity. once /week.
Serm to prevent gyno and also boost LH and FSH (even if it doesnt boost T while on T)
Testim to boost testosterone/dht.
It could be a decent combo for a few years and then when I want kids just discontinue the testim and i should be pretty good i think.
Want to regain some testicular size before serm only.
I am still taking raloxefene 30mg per day to help prevent and reduce chest puffyness and then after a few more beta hcg shots i will do serm only.
There is some DEFINITE mental clarity after I take beta hcg especially this lower dose. I cant explain it exactly but like, i just feel less foggy in my brain than I do on T only.
So I think for me Serms are better than testosterone ....
I have considered
Hcg
Serm
Testim
Combo too lol
Hcg for testicular size and mental clarity. once /week.
Serm to prevent gyno and also boost LH and FSH (even if it doesnt boost T while on T)
Testim to boost testosterone/dht.
It could be a decent combo for a few years and then when I want kids just discontinue the testim and i should be pretty good i think.
You know your testosterone is really low when you start thinking about having kids! Having kids will also lower your testosterone even further. If you want to maximize your natural testosterone production, have lots of casual encounters with sexy looking women. Imo that's a much more fun way to live life than to attach yourself to just one woman until the day you die. When you fall in love with a woman and have kids, the love that you feel for your wife and kids will really plummet your testosterone!
Felt like mutherfucking superman at the gym just now. This is after two back to back 500ius Beta hcg injections. Working out felt like sex. I was heaving up weights like they were light as fuck. I added weight to every single exercise. And i ran so easily on the treadmill.
THIS is how TRT is supposed to feel like when its working well.
Too fucking bad the stupid gel and injections dont do this for me.
I might use Hcg for a month and see how it goes and then switch to serm.
I figure my body will reject Hcg like it rejects everything sooner than later.
But maybe I will enjoy it while its working.
THIS is how TRT is supposed to feel like when its working well.
Too fucking bad the stupid gel and injections dont do this for me.
I might use Hcg for a month and see how it goes and then switch to serm.
I figure my body will reject Hcg like it rejects everything sooner than later.
But maybe I will enjoy it while its working.
So I have done a bunch of beta hcg injections over the past few weeks.
2000ius
500ius/500ius
500ius
Now it's post 5 days since the last beta hcg injection and i've switched over to Serm only. Feel pretty good and feel like the serm is doing it's thing.
- more resonance in my voice**
- more mental clarity (room feels more clear)
- testicles feel fuller and they are hanging lower
- i was sexting and got a boner and felt some horniness in my body (rare!!)
- feel like joking around more
So that's about it. The last two are subjective and not really sure but the first three are definetly true. Testicles are hanging lower, my voice feels deeper and more resonant when I speak, and the room feels brighter and more clear. All higher testosterone symptoms i've experienced in the past on Serm.
Will run Serm only and add a dab of gel here and there for libido as needed.
2000ius
500ius/500ius
500ius
Now it's post 5 days since the last beta hcg injection and i've switched over to Serm only. Feel pretty good and feel like the serm is doing it's thing.
- more resonance in my voice**
- more mental clarity (room feels more clear)
- testicles feel fuller and they are hanging lower
- i was sexting and got a boner and felt some horniness in my body (rare!!)
- feel like joking around more
So that's about it. The last two are subjective and not really sure but the first three are definetly true. Testicles are hanging lower, my voice feels deeper and more resonant when I speak, and the room feels brighter and more clear. All higher testosterone symptoms i've experienced in the past on Serm.
Will run Serm only and add a dab of gel here and there for libido as needed.
I find Hcg not very tolerable lol
I find serms way more tolerable....
I only do hcg to kick my nuts into gear and then i usually switch to serms.
I am not sure about doses its not really my forte lol i have tried 2000/1000/750/500 not really sure what the difference is. The higher doses make me feel more estrogenic.
I find serms way more tolerable....
I only do hcg to kick my nuts into gear and then i usually switch to serms.
I am not sure about doses its not really my forte lol i have tried 2000/1000/750/500 not really sure what the difference is. The higher doses make me feel more estrogenic.
My protocol right now is,
Hcg 400ius 2x per week
Testim gel 5g am, pm
This is a fertility protocol and I am going an ultrasound on my testicles next month. After the ultrasound if we need to raise the Hcg dose we will.
I have kind of resigned myself to a lifetime of TRT and the gel is the only viable option for me because injectables suck a donkey's penis for me. I just feel like absolute garbage on them with three days of depression after an injection and smaller injects are useless too.
Hcg 400ius 2x per week
Testim gel 5g am, pm
This is a fertility protocol and I am going an ultrasound on my testicles next month. After the ultrasound if we need to raise the Hcg dose we will.
I have kind of resigned myself to a lifetime of TRT and the gel is the only viable option for me because injectables suck a donkey's penis for me. I just feel like absolute garbage on them with three days of depression after an injection and smaller injects are useless too.
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