Restoring HPTA after 10 years on

[gear shef]

Looking for opinions without going into tons and tons of detail (I'm going to log this in a couple months when I begin, so all will be detailed there)

My cycle history is extensive. Many of it done years ago. For the most part I have only been on HRT through the doc for the last 3 years (have added a couple things here and there). Either way all that is irrelevant for the purposes of this post. I am the classic idiot that did not follow time on = time off.

Point is I been on for a looooooong time. After having been on for 7 years straight with no break I tried to get off but couldn't get my balls working again for over six months. In fact levels even dropped in the time I was off (initial bloods after off for 40 days were 262...at around 70 days they were 227). I did use a restart protocol then but don't feel it was optimal (HCG, Clomid, Nolva). That's when I hit up HRT through a my doc and pretty much where I have been for the last 3 years.

I want to do an experiment on myself for the benefit of the community and also if it works take a fucking break from jabbing myself every week and hating having a dependency for the rest of my life.

So basically for the last three years doc has had me on:

200mg Test C per week (about 3 months ago he bumped me to 300mg EW)
1mg Adex Mon. Wed. Fri.
Armour Thyroid

I seen a study on PubMed where they reversed steroid induced hypogonadism in an individual who had been on for a long time (Ill link it if I can find it) by using HCG.

Currently my plan is going to be getting back on HCG during my TRT for a good while to get the boys used to LH mimic again and working to some capacity. So I'm going to start hitting 1000iu EOD for a while (Probably 2-3months) Then discontinue Test and use the following protocol:

DAYS DRUG DOSAGE
1-100 HCG 1000iu/EOD
1-100 ADEX 1mg/MON WED FRI
80-170 CLOMID 100mg/ED
80-170 NOLVA 20mg/ED


Thoughts?

 

[gear shef]

Really I'm looking for opinions on the best way to tackle this.

Hopefully Ill be able to add some value in an anecdotal report with stats, blood work, photos, psychological documentation etc.

 

[DrinkFlintWater]

Unfortunately, you may be in a situation on where youll need TRT for life. Just based on the brief summary of your lengthy cycle history. When I was in my early 20s, I ran a bunch of uneducated cycles...came off for years and was never the same. Of course, I wasnt doing PCT either(religiously). I havent been able to get my natty TT levels to break 500. My last natty test was 447, several months after cutting a blast cold turkey. I guess you wont know til you try....your PCT outline looks good but like i said only time will tell. GL brother...please update this log, also.

 

[gear shef]

Unfortunately, you may be in a situation on where youll need TRT for life. Just based on the brief summary of your lengthy cycle history. When I was in my early 20s, I ran a bunch of uneducated cycles...came off for years and was never the same. Of course, I wasnt doing PCT either(religiously). I havent been able to get my natty TT levels to break 500. My last natty test was 447, several months after cutting a blast cold turkey. I guess you wont know til you try....your PCT outline looks good but like i said only time will tell. GL brother...please update this log, also.

Thanks for the words and reply. I have accepted that Ill be on TRT for life. but eh what the hell, don't think this will hurt me and its worth a shot.

Ill be making a different thread for the log bro. This one is just for opinions on the protocol to get a good consensus of what others may think would work best.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

If youre really serious about this adventure, i would hit up Dr Micheal Scally, or read as much of his published literature as you can. He's arguably the Godfather of HPTA restarts and likely can help you move forward in the right direction. Just my .02.

 

[gear shef]

If youre really serious about this adventure, i would hit up Dr Micheal Scally, or read as much of his published literature as you can. He's arguably the Godfather of HPTA restarts and likely can help you move forward in the right direction. Just my .02.

I've read some of his material. Maybe he can chime in...idk how to tag a member in a post tho

 

[janoshik]

I've read some of his material. Maybe he can chime in...idk how to tag a member in a post tho

I think you add @ before the member name - like this @gear shef

 

[Burrr]

Wish you luck bro, hope it works.

 

[gear shef]

@Michael Scally MD

 

[Sk8man101]

Good luck man!

 

[lucabratzi]

From my understanding you shouldn't run hcg and clomid when you're off test.

I did and when I stopped my test levels came up. I'm still running clomid but I'm in the same boat as you. possibly being on forever cause everything isn't working the same.

 

[grey]

Doc Mike and Doc Jim posted some studies on this but IIR the longest time any of the study subjects had been on TRT (not cycling) was 4-5 years and only something like 60% were restarted successfully.

 

[XmadXscientist]

Research hmg.

 

[Demondosage]

Fighting a losing battle IMO. It's a nice thought but I doubt it's going to do much. Best of luck though

 

[Sworder]

If you plan on doing this, run the hCG protocol and get lab work done to see what your tT is. If your tT is sub500 continue the hcg and take labs again after a couple weeks.
Labs will let you know when your balls are ready!

 

[NFRCR]

Take a look at Triptorelin as well. I think if I ever want to try to come off that's the one I'll try, perhaps the standard PCT first though.

 

[Sworder]

Take a look at Triptorelin as well. I think if I ever want to try to come off that's the one I'll try, perhaps the standard PCT first though.

I know a guy that used triptorelin successfully, granted he still needed to do the hCG so the balls are in working order. Triptorelin targets the pituitary.

 

[master.on]

Take a look at Triptorelin as well. I think if I ever want to try to come off that's the one I'll try, perhaps the standard PCT first though.

I know a guy that used triptorelin successfully, granted he still needed to do the hCG so the balls are in working order. Triptorelin targets the pituitary.

Be careful with Triptorelin, not meant for long-term use
just use it for 1 month or less
if used for too long it actually SUPPRESSES lh/fsh, not for nothing it's used for prostate cancer treatment

 

[Sworder]

Be careful with Triptorelin, not meant for long-term use
just use it for 1 month or less
if used for too long it actually SUPPRESSES lh/fsh, not for nothing it's used for prostate cancer treatment

I wouldn't do more than one shot...

 

[master.on]

I wouldn't do more than one shot...

Exactly
Prostate cancer getting worse in the first month points out to Triptorelin first increasing LH/FSH/Test, then decreasing them.