Here's a topography map of Kherson btw, the red parts being the city and the green parts on the right where Russians fled to, so in reality it's you repeating Russia propaganda without any evidence whatsoever:
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Outside of warmongering democrat party politicians, stupid bastards like you and neo cons in Washington DC, there isn't much real support for the war in Ukraine.
Researchers: Bot army launched Ukraine-Russia war
by WorldTribune Staff, November 6, 2022 An anti-Russia “bot army” of fake automated Twitter accounts flooded the Internet with pro-Ukraine propaganda at the start of the Russia-Ukraine …
www.worldtribune.com
In retrospect, you'd hav to be a goddamn wretched idiot to pretend like any of that was a good idea
Free press?
Our government has banned any opposition to the Ukraine war and any mention of a perspective different than that of Washington DC.
What the fuck are you calling a "free press"?
"Obscure sources" meaning what?
Not mainstream media DNC propoganda?
That's hard to find in America these days with our "free press"
How in the fuck can anyone in America be "repeating Russian propoganda" you idiot?
Our own government has banned literally all Russian propoganda so it can push it's own propoganda.
You obviously didn't bother to read his goddamn link.
Or any other piece of information anyone else has provided here contrary to the bullshit you relentlessly parrot over and over.
You just continue to parrot the same pathetic bullshit over and over.
For Christ sake, you still keep saying the orange revolution was a "Russian ploy" to install Victor Yanukovych, when the entire thing was a US state department coup to overthrow Yanukovych and install yushchenko who get run the fuck off for corruption and fleecing just a couple of years later.
Your stories are bullshit. You're spewing nonsense.
I don't know what the fuck is wrong with you, but you're ate up with the dumbass at this point.
This entire thing could have easily been prevented by simple low cost diplomacy before it even started. It was orchestrated into being and never should should have happened.
You're one deluded idiot.
No go back and read what I wrote. I said that the assassination attempt/poisoning was a Russian/pro-Russian ploy to install Russian puppet Victor Yanukovych, not that the Orange Revolution was a ploy to install him. When Russians do this to your pro-Ukraine President (Yushchenko):
then shelter the people who poisoned him in Russia, you tend to get pissed. Yanukovych was actually elected at first but that was believed to be rigged and after the Orange Revolution there was a rerun and Yushchenko won.
This explanation was because you lied and said before 2014 Russia and Ukraine got along well. Now you're lying and saying I wrote what I didn't write, but anyone can go back and see what I actually wrote was:
"Not at all, there was the Orange Revolution in 2004 because the Russians (or Russian backed people, now sheltered in Russia) did this to the Ukrainian President Yushchenko to try and kill him and get their pro-Russian puppet Yanukovych installed "
I did actually. It was written by "Big Serge" (whoever that is)on Serg's blog and provides no additional insight other than Big Serg doesn't think Kherson was worth holding onto. But if that were true Russia wouldn't have reinforced it with troops from Kharkiv (paid a heavy price for it too) and Putin wouldn't have said "Kherson is Russia forever" six weeks prior. And it is strategically important for controlling the coast in the event of the type of "total war" @falseprophet09 claims will happen and Russia has so far not tried or given any indication they will.
That's not true at all. Do you wear tin foil over your head? However in Russia you get 5-10 years in jail for tweeting speaking ill of the war:
Russia Can Now Jail People for 15 Years for Tweeting About the War on Ukraine
The new ban on “fake information” targets the press, but it's so broad that it can also be applied to citizens and their social media posts.
www.vice.com
Russia Drafting Arrested Protesters Into The Military
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov reportedly said conscripting protesters is “not against the law.”
www.forbes.com
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Similar to what the North Vietnamese lost, only not nearly as much. North Vietnam lost 1.1 million soldiers so they could beat the American empire, annex South Vietnam, and spread communism. Then their economy collapsed and they adopted capitalism anyway. And the Soviets provided them with AK-47 rifles, MIG jets, surface to air missiles, training and advice etc in their quest to do this.
But pretty much anyone in Vietnam will tell you they won the war. Anyone in the US would tell you the US lost.
The fact that Ukraine still has a country is a win for them. And the fact that Russia couldn't take 80% of the territory in a neighboring country with 1/3rd the population is a loss for them. Now Russia only sent in 150k-200k troops in February, but Ukraine only had 250k at the time and was only given javelin and stinger missiles. The plan was to start an insurgency launched from the 4 border countries friendly to their cause, but to everyone's surprise they beat the Russians at Kiev.
The Russians fully retreated from Kiev on April 6. Then congress passed the $40 billion aid package on May 21, Zelensky also announced they had mobilized 700k troops on May 21st. And more started being expected of them. Then you have the rout in Karkiv in Sept, Putin's mobilization a few weeks later, and the retreat of Kherson. So if you ask the average Ukrainian they'll tell you they've been winning not losing.
And they've been inflicting heavy casualties on the Russians too. Some claim Russia has lost more fighters than the U.S. has lost in the past 60 years... combined:
Fact Check: Has Russia lost more men in Ukraine than U.S. in recent wars?
Ukraine has claimed that Russia has lost 66,280 troops since the start of the war, although other estimates puts the figure at much lower.
www.newsweek.com
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Similar to what the North Vietnamese lost, only not nearly as much. North Vietnam lost 1.1 million soldiers so they could beat the American empire, annex South Vietnam, and spread communism. Then their economy collapsed and they adopted capitalism anyway. And the Soviets provided them with AK-47 rifles, MIG jets, surface to air missiles, training and advice etc in their quest to do this.
But pretty much anyone in Vietnam will tell you they won the war. Anyone in the US would tell you the US lost.
The fact that Ukraine still has a country is a win for them. And the fact that Russia couldn't take 80% of the territory in a neighboring country with 1/3rd the population is a loss for them. Now Russia only sent in 150k-200k troops in February, but Ukraine only had 250k at the time and was only given javelin and stinger missiles. The plan was to start an insurgency launched from the 4 border countries friendly to their cause, but to everyone's surprise they beat the Russians at Kiev.
The Russians fully retreated from Kiev on April 6. Then congress passed the $40 billion aid package on May 21, Zelensky also announced they had mobilized 700k troops on May 21st. And more started being expected of them. Then you have the rout in Karkiv in Sept, Putin's mobilization a few weeks later, and the retreat of Kherson. So if you ask the average Ukrainian they'll tell you they've been winning not losing.
And they've been inflicting heavy casualties on the Russians too. Some claim Russia has lost more fighters than the U.S. has lost in the past 60 years... combined:
Fact Check: Has Russia lost more men in Ukraine than U.S. in recent wars?
Ukraine has claimed that Russia has lost 66,280 troops since the start of the war, although other estimates puts the figure at much lower.
You just don't get it.
I don't give a fuck whether or not you're satisfied with how your side is performing in this war.
I'm pointing you out for the ignorant chickenshit motherfukker you are for cheering on this war in the first place.
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How long do you think the war will last? Or will they still sit on the negotiating table?Similar to what the North Vietnamese lost, only not nearly as much. North Vietnam lost 1.1 million soldiers so they could beat the American empire, annex South Vietnam, and spread communism. Then their economy collapsed and they adopted capitalism anyway. And the Soviets provided them with AK-47 rifles, MIG jets, surface to air missiles, training and advice etc in their quest to do this.
But pretty much anyone in Vietnam will tell you they won the war. Anyone in the US would tell you the US lost.
The fact that Ukraine still has a country is a win for them. And the fact that Russia couldn't take 80% of the territory in a neighboring country with 1/3rd the population is a loss for them. Now Russia only sent in 150k-200k troops in February, but Ukraine only had 250k at the time and was only given javelin and stinger missiles. The plan was to start an insurgency launched from the 4 border countries friendly to their cause, but to everyone's surprise they beat the Russians at Kiev.
The Russians fully retreated from Kiev on April 6. Then congress passed the $40 billion aid package on May 21, Zelensky also announced they had mobilized 700k troops on May 21st. And more started being expected of them. Then you have the rout in Karkiv in Sept, Putin's mobilization a few weeks later, and the retreat of Kherson. So if you ask the average Ukrainian they'll tell you they've been winning not losing.
And they've been inflicting heavy casualties on the Russians too. Some claim Russia has lost more fighters than the U.S. has lost in the past 60 years... combined:
Fact Check: Has Russia lost more men in Ukraine than U.S. in recent wars?
Ukraine has claimed that Russia has lost 66,280 troops since the start of the war, although other estimates puts the figure at much lower.
MR_Midas
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I'm interested in your point of view why the Russians surrendered Kherson, is this the beginning of the end or a strategic plan. Any thoughts that the Russians have run out of resources, both human and technical?
How will it end in the end?
I can't say for sure. But I can say the only person who has been accurate in his predictions all along is Ben Hodges, former commander of the US Army in Europe, and that's because he worked with the Russians for decades and has a very low opinion of them and so he has been the most optimistic analyst for the Ukrainians. And everything that could go right for the Ukrainians has. And he thinks the Ukrainians will push them out this Spring or Summer. Here's a video:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnYmY4IPI94
Short of absolute optimism for Ukraine, given how angry the Ukrainians are and the guarantee of aid coming in, it would go on through next year unless Putin is removed.
It is also possible the Russians round up their forces this Spring and make another run on Kiev. But that's looking less likely each day. Pro-Russian people are hoping Russia secretly mobilized more than they said they did. Both sides will probably want a breather over the winter but Ukraine's benefactors will want them to push on.
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So what? The Ukrainians have been attacked and they want to fight back. Roughly 2/3 of Americans support helping Ukraine to do that. And no one who doesn't would use words like motherfukker about it except you. You've got some unique, very wrong views about how it was started and can't be reasoned with. So why would I care?
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"Ukraine aid seems to be a good deal for the US... very affordable aid setting back the military a dictator antagonistic to the West" - @hometeam
In other words, you're a chickenshit son of a bitch and you're cheering on a war, your government agitated and provoked to benifit itself, because you think it benifits you.
Why would anyone listen to the bullshit you spew?
Wrong? That would be cheering on war and human suffering like a smug little cunt cheerleader on the sidelines of a highschool football game.
On top of that, all of your history is bullshit and the only thing you have is literally propoganda
Russia wants to negotiate. And has wanted to before the invasion. They've tried for decades to get somebody to listen to what they believe are serious security concerns about NATO expansion.
Unless Russia can end this decisively by next spring, I think this will go on until NATO breaks the Russian federation and starts whittling off the seperate nations one at a time just like it did after the fall of the Soviet Union.
Which is the goal of NATO and the US government anyway.
Don't listen to that stupid bastard. This was a provoked war and has strategic interest for the US government and has been a long time coming. They want this war.
Remember it's people like @hometeam that we have people accepting that Jeffery Epstein killed himself and Ghislaine Maxwell was sentenced to 20 years in jail for sex trafficking minors to apperantly nobody.
NATO is just a poor, purely defensive alliance headed by the richest, most aggressive and billigerent regime on the planet. But all they want to do is "help people defend themselves"
Being anti war is now "communist" and trying to understand Russia's perspective makes you a "Putin apologist"
We're truly a sick society...stuck in a bad place with a lot of stupid people.
NATO is just a poor, purely defensive alliance headed by the richest, most aggressive and billigerent regime on the planet. But all they want to do is "help people defend themselves"
Being anti war is now "communist" and trying to understand Russia's perspective makes you a "Putin apologist"
We're truly a sick society...stuck in a bad place with a lot of stupid people.
It is still a "special military operation", which makes conscription difficult.
How do you see the escalation in the winter, this TOTAL war?
They have already committed most of their batallion tactical groups, VDV (airborne), naval infantry. Besides tactical nukes, what can they really step up? They don't have unlimited ballistic missiles or rocket artillery. Regular artillery, armour, strike fighters, helicopters are already committed. I doubt they have huge reserves of modern armour or other modern material.
They don't have air superiority, it's hard to employ strategic bombers.
As for calling up reservists and conscripts, I don't really see the enormous impact. For defense yes. But not for offense, especially when morale is already low.
Training is primarily done in the batallion tactical groups, but they are already in the fight and don't have spare capacity for training.
Take a factory worker, give him 3 days training, down to the shooting range with a magazine for his AK74, tell him to buy his own boots, thermal clothing, body armour and harness, and then load them up in the MI-8 and straight to the front... I've seen this shit show with my own eyes, it's not a combat effective unit.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm curious to what massive amount of equipment and trained personnel they can employ in the winter.
Well what they're saying is they only conscripted people with prior military service, so they won't take as long to train. But still these are people who haven't served in years or more than a decade. You can't just give them a week or two of training and send them to the front, and that's exactly what they did for many of them to try and slow the Ukrainian advance,
View: https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1574488787400507416?s=20&t=8p9KtavzKp9LF5HQVKAQIQ
View: https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1574687624081690626?s=20&t=r6ekdxQK-2GuA5QA_GUPLw
and it didn't work they had to give up Kherson anyway.
And here's a video of conscripts on the verge of mutiny because they didn't get their pay, ended up burning down buildings:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc0Ci-j6Sdw
Someone shot up a conscription office:
‘No one will go to fight’: Russian military recruiter shot amid fear of Ukraine call-up
The shooting comes after scattered arson attacks on enlistment offices and protests in Russian cities against the military call-up that have resulted in at least 2000 arrests.
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And so you can say this is all propaganda the Russian military is strong, but then they just gave up Kherson without even having a battle for it. You can say the bulk of their conscript force is getting training to be an effective combat force but how well is that going for them? Here's a look at a training camp:
View: https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1581724134706655232?s=20&t=yVS4G2WgLaRPr58pPQTvxA
And so they might pull these conscripts together in the late Spring/early Summer and make another stab at Kiev but do they really want to try that again? It didn't go so well the first time. Is another 300k troops enough? Probably not. You would likely need 5x as many attackers as defenders. Are these people going to be able to have great logistics in place, effectively coordinate together and use advanced weapon systems against a well fortified city who has already done this once before and will see it coming?
But people are already calling for Putin's head and maybe to try and end this war they have no choice. They're not happy on Russian state TV either, look at this:
View: https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1591862988008751105?s=20&t=mzmI9r6ItVjkC5B60wAWxw
View: https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1581724134706655232?s=20&t=yVS4G2WgLaRPr58pPQTvxA
And so they might pull these conscripts together in the late Spring/early Summer and make another stab at Kiev but do they really want to try that again? It didn't go so well the first time. Is another 300k troops enough? Probably not. You would likely need 5x as many attackers as defenders. Are these people going to be able to have great logistics in place, effectively coordinate together and use advanced weapon systems against a well fortified city who has already done this once before and will see it coming?
But people are already calling for Putin's head and maybe to try and end this war they have no choice. They're not happy on Russian state TV either, look at this:
View: https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1591862988008751105?s=20&t=mzmI9r6ItVjkC5B60wAWxw
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No it means you are not insane. The only way this ends is no one wins.
@hometeam like the propoganda pitch that "NATO is purely defensive alliance"
And yet, it's literally committed to a different type of warfare.
www.act.nato.int
Propoganda and lies.
Dumbass people like @hometeam parrot the propoganda and claim "most Americans support the war" and yet, studies show that's a lie.
Most of the support is fabrication. Just smoke and mirrors
www.adelaide.edu.au
Most of the "support" these stupid pricks claim this war has, is a new type of cyber warfare, waged by NATO and the US.
Cognitive Warfare is not the adversary, it is you and me. Just as British people could not be trusted with the information that Germany might not want a war, we cannot be trusted with any information that might undermine trust in our institutions - which is the same as saying any information critical of our institutions. The NATO white papers on Cognitive Warfare are very explicit about this: Because Russia (and others) might be interested in spreading information that causes us to question the value of NATO, any criticism of NATO therefore constitutes a cognitive attack that requires a militarized cognitive response.
So these stupid bastards bleat like the sheep they are.
But remember
In a vacuum, it should seem strange for example that the US government is calling Elon Musk a "potential national security threat" for buying a website that simply lets people create, like, and share posts of 240 characters or less. But Twitter is a powerful tool used by the US security establishment to spread disinformation, control the discourse, marginalize dissenters, start revolutions, and sustain wars. People who truly understand the power of this technology do not see it as a way to influence politics, but to replace politics.
Because the objective is to control public opinion and silence dissent.
If you cannot stand up to these bastards, then for the love of God, at least don't join them
As an American citizen, I see no reason whatsoever to spend Americans pensions, savings and livelihoods to support a war in eastern Europe between two corrupt ogliarchs and fuel an ethnic fued just so the Rich globalist elites can plunder the Carnage and rape the people who will suffer because of it.
Think. Think for yourself.
Don't listen to the pathetic bastard telling you promoting war and suffering is good because his side benifits.
The American people will not benifit anymore than the poor ukranian or Russian people.
And if we had a real leader, he would end this. Not egg it on.
And yet, it's literally committed to a different type of warfare.
Workshop - Cognitive Warfare Concept :: NATO's ACT
HQ SACT conducted a working level Solution Scoping workshop for the Cognitive Warfare Concept in Madrid. The Spanish Joint HQ hosted and supported this event.
www.act.nato.int
Propoganda and lies.
Dumbass people like @hometeam parrot the propoganda and claim "most Americans support the war" and yet, studies show that's a lie.
Most of the support is fabrication. Just smoke and mirrors
Bots manipulate public opinion in Russia-Ukraine conflict
www.adelaide.edu.au
Most of the "support" these stupid pricks claim this war has, is a new type of cyber warfare, waged by NATO and the US.
Cognitive Warfare is not the adversary, it is you and me. Just as British people could not be trusted with the information that Germany might not want a war, we cannot be trusted with any information that might undermine trust in our institutions - which is the same as saying any information critical of our institutions. The NATO white papers on Cognitive Warfare are very explicit about this: Because Russia (and others) might be interested in spreading information that causes us to question the value of NATO, any criticism of NATO therefore constitutes a cognitive attack that requires a militarized cognitive response.
So these stupid bastards bleat like the sheep they are.
But remember
In a vacuum, it should seem strange for example that the US government is calling Elon Musk a "potential national security threat" for buying a website that simply lets people create, like, and share posts of 240 characters or less. But Twitter is a powerful tool used by the US security establishment to spread disinformation, control the discourse, marginalize dissenters, start revolutions, and sustain wars. People who truly understand the power of this technology do not see it as a way to influence politics, but to replace politics.
Because the objective is to control public opinion and silence dissent.
If you cannot stand up to these bastards, then for the love of God, at least don't join them
As an American citizen, I see no reason whatsoever to spend Americans pensions, savings and livelihoods to support a war in eastern Europe between two corrupt ogliarchs and fuel an ethnic fued just so the Rich globalist elites can plunder the Carnage and rape the people who will suffer because of it.
Think. Think for yourself.
Don't listen to the pathetic bastard telling you promoting war and suffering is good because his side benifits.
The American people will not benifit anymore than the poor ukranian or Russian people.
And if we had a real leader, he would end this. Not egg it on.
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Excellent point Paul.
This can end now, at the negotiating table if our own government would just demand an end and stop fuelling it with weapons, mercenaries and cash.
I want it to end, for the people.
@hometeam is an ignorant wretch who wants it to go on to benifit the elite globalist billionaires that started it in the first place
