Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

Yeah well that was in the past. What we have now is Russia doing everything you despise America for, and worse. And you just can't bring yourself to condemn them for it. You love the motherland too much and have too much contempt for capitalism, gays, and "urban intellectual skinny jeans wearing hipsters and blue pill liberals."

Your mind is so clouded and emotional I'm not sure you even realize what a hypocrite that makes you: when the US removes a dictator and then leaves it's stupid cartelist imperialism and the worst atrocity possible to mankind, and when Russia tries to annex a neighboring country (making them speak Russian, lose their identity as a nation, and be loyal to Putin) they were "provoked" and had their reasons and Putin is not as bad as people make him out to be. You do realize you are hardly rational or thinking straight on this, right?


I think you're a twisted wretched fuck for not blaming everyone in involved.

I think you're a delusional disingenuous unoriginal and contemptible brainless, witless POS for cheering on war like that

It takes at least two to tango and it isn't just Russia that got this where it is.

It's an intentionally provoked proxy war that's putting millions of innocent people at risk and promoting suffering all for the benifit of a few Rich globalist bastards. And your an idiot for supporting it


View: https://youtu.be/WVXzwnU1H6U
 
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I'm not sure about that.

Russian people think they're fighting a war to hold their nation together and stop the encroachment of what they see is a hostile, belligerent western empire.

And they have every reason to believe that

It's Americans like that fuckin moron hometeam that think this some kind "holy jihad for democracy" or some kind of horseshit to that effect.


They've been down this road before with Napoleon, and two wars with Germany.

This time it's NATO, and NATOs imperialist agendas are most certainly to break the Russian federation. I don't think any reasonable person can deny that objective.
It is clear that the ideology and propaganda within Russia works well. But this may be the beginning of the end, or rather, the war for Russia may be the end.
 
And the redividing of the Russian federation will likely trigger countless wars and massive suffering.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, the average life expectancy of a Russian man dropped by 15 years. Thousands of people starved to death as western banks looted the industries.

I don't want to see that.

Our government doesn't care about people. Not even it's own citizens.
It is sad to read about the death of people, these are ruined destinies and families, children.
 
No you got the theory wrong again. This theory originates with Mearsheimer and he doesn't say the Russian people saw NATO adding members as a threat or provocation, he says only that Putin did. In fact there's a disconnect between Putin and his people on this (thus the "special military operation" language), but he runs the country unopposed with no checks or balances and you go to jail for 10 yrs for opposing the war there.

Now the Russian people do believe that the war has become a NATO vs Russia war because NATO has started supporting and aiding Ukraine, and this furthers the Russia vs the world feeling going back to Ghengis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler... but they know who started the war. They know who invaded who.

As for what the soldiers believe, several were interviewed by Vice here in a conscription office:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqx_-OHE1Hk

and they mostly say they're doing it "for the motherland" or because "it's their duty." Many Russians have trouble making sense of this, and it's much more likely to be supported by the peasant rural farmer than the college educated Moscow intellectual.

The question is how long he will remain in power. Or his dictatorship will be until his death, and the same dictator will come to replace him. That is the question, what is next for Russia, what are the prospects both within the country and internationally.
 
@hometeam I'm starting to believe that you are just a glutton for punishment.
Lol! I think he's starting to realize how his bias has made him a hypocrite. He just loves the motherland and their values too much to fault them for the invasion though. For him it will always be big bad Biden who made Putin invade. :rolleyes: He doesn't have it in him to see it any other way.

I didn't realize until recently just how much Russians hate Western values though... with Western gay pride parades, Kaitlin Jenner, bankers, liberals, and men wearing fancy clothes. With the domination of the Orthodox church in Russia and banning of "gay propaganda" and how if Russia had their way they'd impose their values on the rest of Europe, go back to the '70s.

It must be hard for him to see a Slavic country becoming more progressive.

The question is how long he will remain in power. Or his dictatorship will be until his death, and the same dictator will come to replace him. That is the question, what is next for Russia, what are the prospects both within the country and internationally.
Yeah I agree. The Russian people don't want this, that's why it was supposed to be a "special military operation" and why so many fled after mobilization. I think many in his cabinet, defense ministry and his spy agency didn't want this... certainly not how it has unfolded. People talk about the look on the faces of his cabinet and their demeanor when he announced the invasion, his tense exchange with his spy chief:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9A-u8EoWcI

Just how firm his grip on power is it's hard to say.

But it's also pretty clear that after this ends, Russia won't matter anymore anyway. Small economy, more isolation and diminished world standing, Soviet military stockpiles gone, their false sense of power gone and no longer able to bully their neighbors. There are a lot of despotic places in the world that don't matter.
 
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It must be hard for him (Putin)to see a Slavic country becoming more progressive.
Lmfao

You stupid fuck.

Oh yeah, those Ukranians getting all "progressive" must really be hard when their military and police are controlled by literal Nazis.

You just can't help but make yourself look stupid.

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It is clear that the ideology and propaganda within Russia works well. But this may be the beginning of the end, or rather, the war for Russia may be the end.

You've also got to understand the ideology and propoganda of the west.

American people are probably the most propogandized and delusional people on the planet.

Just look at that idiot @hometeam for a prime example.

Think about how stupid he sounds.

"Putin is a megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination and is such a threat that he must be stopped at all costs"..... But also "Russia is a weak joke and no chance they can best Ukraine"

"Putin is an evil liar and a maniac that will stop at nothing to get what he wants".....but also "don't worry about the nuclear threat because he's not going to nuke anybody"

"Russia started this war because they want to take over all of Ukraine"....but, don't listen to what Russia says it's reasons are just listen to @hometeam


The guys an idiot for sure. But also a prime example of a person completely unoriginal and absorbed in propoganda so heavily that he cannot even see the contradiction in his own convictions.

You can write this off as just a stupid person with his ass on his shoulders and that's true enough. But there are others like him. Not many, but enough to make it look like it's real.
 
You've also got to understand the ideology and propoganda of the west.

American people are probably the most propogandized and delusional people on the planet.

Just look at that idiot @hometeam for a prime example.

Think about how stupid he sounds.

"Putin is a megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination and is such a threat that he must be stopped at all costs"..... But also "Russia is a weak joke and no chance they can best Ukraine"

"Putin is an evil liar and a maniac that will stop at nothing to get what he wants".....but also "don't worry about the nuclear threat because he's not going to nuke anybody"

"Russia started this war because they want to take over all of Ukraine"....but, don't listen to what Russia says it's reasons are just listen to @hometeam


The guys an idiot for sure. But also a prime example of a person completely unoriginal and absorbed in propoganda so heavily that he cannot even see the contradiction in his own convictions.

You can write this off as just a stupid person with his ass on his shoulders and that's true enough. But there are others like him. Not many, but enough to make it look like it's real.
Yes, I think the management of public opinion is everywhere in any country. Yes, there are media, there are sources of information, but we cannot know exactly where is the truth and where is the lie.
 
Yeah I agree. The Russian people don't want this, that's why it was supposed to be a "special military operation" and why so many fled after mobilization. I think many in his cabinet, defense ministry and his spy agency didn't want this... certainly not how it has unfolded. People talk about the look on the faces of his cabinet and their demeanor when he announced the invasion, his tense exchange with his spy chief:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9A-u8EoWcI

Just how firm his grip on power is it's hard to say.

But it's also pretty clear that after this ends, Russia won't matter anymore anyway. Small economy, more isolation and diminished world standing, Soviet military stockpiles gone, their false sense of power gone and no longer able to bully their neighbors. There are a lot of despotic places in the world that don't matter.
I think there is a big gap between the government and the people in Russia. Especially those who live in big cities and they have something to lose. The comfort of their lives is falling, they are left without work and other problems. The goals of Putin and the goals of the people are not equal.
 
Lol! I think he's starting to realize how his bias has made him a hypocrite. He just loves the motherland and their values too much to fault them for the invasion though. For him it will always be big bad Biden who made Putin invade. :rolleyes: He doesn't have it in him to see it any other way.

I didn't realize until recently just how much Russians hate Western values though... with Western gay pride parades, Kaitlin Jenner, bankers, liberals, and men wearing fancy clothes. With the domination of the Orthodox church in Russia and banning of "gay propaganda" and how if Russia had their way they'd impose their values on the rest of Europe, go back to the '70s.
After the collapse of the USSR, there was a troubled time, then Putin came to power. To whom everything zapodnoe is alien, he is a former employee of the special services. He publicly ridicules everything that is with the West, saying people this is not our way. We have our own way. I think people already doubt it.
 
After the collapse of the USSR, there was a troubled time, then Putin came to power. To whom everything zapodnoe is alien, he is a former employee of the special services. He publicly ridicules everything that is with the West, saying people this is not our way. We have our own way. I think people already doubt it.

I don't think you fully understand the history involved and it's impact on the situation at hand.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, Boris Yeltsin and the Russian nation asked for western help to privatize the Russian economy.

One of those economic experts sent was Jeffrey Sachs

The article below is well worth the read and I pasted it here because it behind a pay wall if I post a Link.

Please read

Jeffrey Sachs said that when he called back to Washington, DC to request the same kind of financial assistance that had been given to help Poland smooth over the transition to capitalism, he encountered resistance that at first he did not understand. Over time, he said, he came to the conclusion that the reason Washington would not provide Russia the same support it had provided Poland was not that they didn’t understand the situation; they understood it perfectly, and simply did not want Russia to be back on its feet and able to assert itself in the community of nations.

President Yeltsin, at the urging of the United States, empowered a group of radical ideologues to rapidly privatize the Russian economy and, by 1993, their reforms had driven much of the population to the very edge of survival. Hyperinflation destroyed what savings the people had, there was very little food and few basic necessities on the shelves, and what there was the people couldn’t afford. In an infamous interview with an American journalist, Yeltsin was told that the reporter had recently seen hospitals in Moscow that lacked basic medicines and supplies, and that people were dying from curable conditions for lack of them. Yeltsin told her that his mother had recently had a heart attack, and that even she, the President’s own mother, did not have access to needed treatments. Everything was falling apart. In October 1993, the Duma (Parliament) voted to impeach Yeltsin.

With the support of the United States, he had the Parliament building surrounded by soldiers. The phones and electricity were cut off. People who rallied to demonstrate in support of the besieged Duma were attacked and beaten by police and soldiers. Then Yeltsin ordered his tanks to open fire on the parliament building with the rebellious members inside. At that point, the cowed parliamentarians raised the white flag and went outside to surrender. The great fear of the United States - a greater fear than war, at this point - was that Russian leaders would slow, halt, or even roll back the market reforms that were putting the invaluable assets of Russia for sale on the world market. Western currency went a long way in the collapsing Russian economy, and those with access to it were able to buy up entire swaths of the Russian economy. Most prominent among the new ownership class were mafia leaders, whose cross-border trafficking operations provided them with foreign currency that was used to buy factories, oil and natural gas fields, mines, seaports, everything. Crime was rampant. Destitute women made ends meet by turning to prostitution and pornography, and sold their children.

Men who could not feed their families fell to drugs and alcohol, and suicides skyrocketed. The streets of the cities were filled with beggars, many of them formerly respectable “middle-class” (in the Soviet sense) professionals. There were even high-ranking officers of the former Soviet military - I’m talking colonels and even generals - begging for change on the streets. At no time in history is that a situation that will be sustained for long without disruption.



So that's what led us here. This was typical US rape and loot foreign policy.

Vladimir Putin was elected by the Russian people to halt the looting and the rape of Russia.
He was an answer for a desperate people.

People in a situation created at least in part by the west.

That idiot @hometeam is not somebody you should listen to. His ignorance of the subject is astounding and his propoganda driven slogans and buzzwords are simply stupid to hear when you know the full story
 
I don't think you fully understand the history involved and it's impact on the situation at hand.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, Boris Yeltsin and the Russian nation asked for western help to privatize the Russian economy.

One of those economic experts sent was Jeffrey Sachs

The article below is well worth the read and I pasted it here because it behind a pay wall if I post a Link.

Please read

Jeffrey Sachs said that when he called back to Washington, DC to request the same kind of financial assistance that had been given to help Poland smooth over the transition to capitalism, he encountered resistance that at first he did not understand. Over time, he said, he came to the conclusion that the reason Washington would not provide Russia the same support it had provided Poland was not that they didn’t understand the situation; they understood it perfectly, and simply did not want Russia to be back on its feet and able to assert itself in the community of nations.

President Yeltsin, at the urging of the United States, empowered a group of radical ideologues to rapidly privatize the Russian economy and, by 1993, their reforms had driven much of the population to the very edge of survival. Hyperinflation destroyed what savings the people had, there was very little food and few basic necessities on the shelves, and what there was the people couldn’t afford. In an infamous interview with an American journalist, Yeltsin was told that the reporter had recently seen hospitals in Moscow that lacked basic medicines and supplies, and that people were dying from curable conditions for lack of them. Yeltsin told her that his mother had recently had a heart attack, and that even she, the President’s own mother, did not have access to needed treatments. Everything was falling apart. In October 1993, the Duma (Parliament) voted to impeach Yeltsin.

With the support of the United States, he had the Parliament building surrounded by soldiers. The phones and electricity were cut off. People who rallied to demonstrate in support of the besieged Duma were attacked and beaten by police and soldiers. Then Yeltsin ordered his tanks to open fire on the parliament building with the rebellious members inside. At that point, the cowed parliamentarians raised the white flag and went outside to surrender. The great fear of the United States - a greater fear than war, at this point - was that Russian leaders would slow, halt, or even roll back the market reforms that were putting the invaluable assets of Russia for sale on the world market. Western currency went a long way in the collapsing Russian economy, and those with access to it were able to buy up entire swaths of the Russian economy. Most prominent among the new ownership class were mafia leaders, whose cross-border trafficking operations provided them with foreign currency that was used to buy factories, oil and natural gas fields, mines, seaports, everything. Crime was rampant. Destitute women made ends meet by turning to prostitution and pornography, and sold their children.

Men who could not feed their families fell to drugs and alcohol, and suicides skyrocketed. The streets of the cities were filled with beggars, many of them formerly respectable “middle-class” (in the Soviet sense) professionals. There were even high-ranking officers of the former Soviet military - I’m talking colonels and even generals - begging for change on the streets. At no time in history is that a situation that will be sustained for long without disruption.



So that's what led us here. This was typical US rape and loot foreign policy.

Vladimir Putin was elected by the Russian people to halt the looting and the rape of Russia.
He was an answer for a desperate people.

People in a situation created at least in part by the west.

That idiot @hometeam is not somebody you should listen to. His ignorance of the subject is astounding and his propoganda driven slogans and buzzwords are simply stupid to hear when you know the full story
Thank you very much for this excursion into history. I learned a lot about the policy pursued by Yeltsin. In fact, he sold his country.
 
Thank you very much for this excursion into history. I learned a lot about the policy pursued by Yeltsin. In fact, he sold his country.

Exactly.

And without the support of the US government, he could not have.

The suffering of the Russian people led to Vladimir Putin. Because he did bring an end to the fleecing and looting and the establishment of the Russian state.

The Russian people are not what that idiot @hometeam says about a militaristic people with a desire to rule the world.

They're just people like anyone else who want to live their lives the way they choose.

Most Americans are against the path our own government has taken. As are most Russian people.

The people of America, Russia and Ukraine are not enemies of each other. It's the corrupt governments and globalist billionaire corporate donors to those governments that want war.

And it's all to rob all the people of their respective livelihoods and reduce us all to serfdom.

The Russian people know this as well as anybody.

I say that if you cannot openly stand against them, then I understand. But for the love of humankind and God, if you believe in an everlasting soul, then don't stand with them.

People do not need to die and kill each other for the benifit of the elites actively trying to own the world
 
How insolent and arrogant of cocksucker would one have to be to presume that all of the diverse and different people of the world should be ruled or guided by one form of government?

Isn't there such a large section of humanity that just doesn't relate to "progressivism" or "consumerism" that it just isn't possible to have one world globalist empire, without trying to change the people themselves?

The Afghan people rejected western democracy, as did the Vietnamese, North Koreans and numerous other people's.

Haven't we perverted our own "democracy" past the point of recognition at this point? Is there any man here that truly feels himself well represented by this "democracy"? How many such are out there right now?

By what right or reasoning should this nation dedicate itself to the extermination of the different types of government and people of the world simply to cast them in the very mould we ourselves struggle to keep together?

America was never meant to be an empire. But a nation of free and independent people.

Some of the words people would buy into this ideal, and some won't.

And that's not the problem.

The problem is that some people will not accept others not submitting to the system itself.
 
The suffering of the Russian people led to Vladimir Putin. Because he did bring an end to the fleecing and looting and the establishment of the Russian state.
@MR_Midas Actually Putin was hand picked by Yeltsin to be his successor, a decision he regretted later in life. When Clinton first met Putin he got bad vibes from Putin, this guy was a Russian mobster who wasn't going to ever leave office.

When a Russian commie sees capitalism coming to a country they'll say "look at the bankers and corporations raping our people, robbing our country." But in this case they rejected new ways and it was Putin and the oligarchs who robbed the country. And Clinton wasn't keen on helping another despotic dictator led Russia. Later that day after meeting Putin he met Yeltsin, looked hard into his eyes, said "I'm concerned about this young man you have turned over the Presidency to. He doesn't have democracy in his heart." And he poked Yeltsin in the chest by the heart. Then Clinton went home.

Here's a 90 second long clip about it:

View: https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=10156508353846950
 
@MR_Midas Actually Putin was hand picked by Yeltsin to be his successor, a decision he regretted later in life. When Clinton first met Putin he got bad vibes from Putin, this guy was a Russian mobster who wasn't going to ever leave office.

When a Russian commie sees capitalism coming to a country they'll say "look at the bankers and corporations raping our people, robbing our country." But in this case they rejected new ways and it was Putin and the oligarchs who robbed the country. And Clinton wasn't keen on helping another despotic dictator led Russia. Later that day after meeting Putin he met Yeltsin, looked hard into his eyes, said "I'm concerned about this young man you have turned over the Presidency to. He doesn't have democracy in his heart." And he poked Yeltsin in the chest. Then Clinton went home.

Here's a 90 second long clip about it:

View: https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=10156508353846950



Here's a prime example of a stupid cocksucker parroting lies and bullshit that "Putin and the ogliarchs robbed the country".

No historian or foreign policy expert would buy that bullshit.

Putin came into power and the ogliarchs that did not recognize the Russian state took their billions and left for new York, tell Aviv and London to lobby our government to take a hostile stance towards Russia.

The ones that stayed are the people getting their boats, bank accounts and other shit siezed in European ports by the US government.
 
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@MR_Midas Actually Putin was hand picked by Yeltsin to be his successor, a decision he regretted later in life. When Clinton first met Putin he got bad vibes from Putin, this guy was a Russian mobster who wasn't going to ever leave office.

When a Russian commie sees capitalism coming to a country they'll say "look at the bankers and corporations raping our people, robbing our country." But in this case they rejected new ways and it was Putin and the oligarchs who robbed the country. And Clinton wasn't keen on helping another despotic dictator led Russia. Later that day after meeting Putin he met Yeltsin, looked hard into his eyes, said "I'm concerned about this young man you have turned over the Presidency to. He doesn't have democracy in his heart." And he poked Yeltsin in the chest by the heart. Then Clinton went home.

Here's a 90 second long clip about it:

View: https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=10156508353846950


You're such a lying bastard it's not even funny anymore.

Anyone who actually researched this will see right through your bullshit.

@MR_Midas isn't stupid. He'll do his own research and see your stupidity for what it is.

Just like most others here have done.

You're a bad joke at this point.
 
Putin came into power and the ogliarchs that did not recognize the Russian state took their billions and left for new York, tell Aviv and London to lobby our government to take a hostile stance towards Russia.

The ones that stayed are the people getting their boats, bank accounts and other shit siezed in European ports by the US government.
Yeah Putin got rid of the old, disloyal oligarchs and installed his own, and we all know what happened next. It wasn't the US, Citigroup Bank or Exxon Mobile that robbed the country, it was internal corruption and autocracy.
 
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