Secret Sources, the SCOC and the Steroid Underground

[engman]

I don't know whether secret sourcing is prevalent on Meso at the moment or not but what I do know is the perception members have for what the underground forum is supposed to be has slowly changed for the worse. For all intents and purposes, it's now viewed by too many as a source forum rather than a forum to discuss sources.

I think most of the blame for both of these problems can be placed on the SCOC for a couple of reasons.

First, the trend over the last year or so has been for members, particularly the newer ones, to use Meso primarily as a source forum because that is how they perceive it. We may tell new members that Meso isn't a source forum; that its purpose is to give them an uncensored forum where they can discuss sources. But when they see WKMs referring new sources to the SCOC, what are they to think? Why have a SCOC if Meso isn't a source forum? Due to the illegal nature of AAS and the need for discretion, when inexperienced members are told Meso isn't a source forum and then see sources being asked to comply with the SCOC, I suspect what they actually hear is "Meso isn't a source forum, wink, wink." When these junior members become senior members, the cycle will continue.

Secondly, rather than being used as a tool to vet sources, the SCOC is forcing sources into selling secretly. There's no question about that and we've already seen evidence that this is happening.

IMO, it's time to abandon the SCOC. It has failed to serve its purpose and it's causing more harm than good.

Regarding the perception that this is a source forum, how do we change it? I've seen some calling to rid Meso of all sources. Personally, I don't think we need to go that far. I don't have an issue with members having direct access to *established* sources on Meso - and by established I mean sources that have been around longer than a couple of years. Being established isn't a guarantee of quality as we've seen recently, but the odds of getting scammed outright are far lower.

What I think needs to change is the idea that these start-up bathtub brewers who have no experience and are only here because they managed to score a bag of powder and now think they're going to be the next drug kingpin deserve a shot. They don't deserve a shot. And that includes any members that might have started brewing and "secretly" selling. Start-ups are the kind of source the SCOC was designed to vet, the kind most likely to sell bunk gear, and the kind most likely to take the money and run. They have no business being here. They are using/abusing Meso's underground because it's free. With nothing invested, they have nothing to lose. And with nothing to lose, there's nothing to stop them from running off with your money.

What's even worse than the start-ups are the members (who should know better) that say these clowns should be given a chance because "someone has to try them." Well, no. No one has to try them. And no one should try them. Why members would even consider using high-risk start-up sources is beyond me. It's not just a question of being scammed, you're putting your health in jeopardy. And for what? A source who will be long gone in less than 6 months?

As far as I'm concerned, the SCOC is redundant. It was designed to give *non-viable* sources a chance they neither deserve, nor should get. It serves no purpose other than creating the impression that Meso is a source forum. In short, it's dragging the underground down.

The underground is an invaluable resource for members when used as intended. Allowing these clowns here is going to destroy it. It's time for members to stop fucking around and start thinking about the greater good. It's not about you finding a source. It was never about that.

Regards

CBS

 

[engman]

thank you for the insight brother. after a few years of messing around looking at various sights, i choose to become member on this sight due to "maturity" and insight of members. This kind of discussion is appreciated by those of us that are "newbies" to this type of niche site. Thank you for keeping it real bro...

 

[MANWHORE]

And thank you for joining Mr new guy

 

[selfaware]

"The undergrounds main purpose is harm reduction and safely navigating the steroid underground, not a place to find gear for purchase imo."

uhmm.....from my perspective, that's a direct contradiction. What is one of THE most important facets of harm-reduction/prevention?

Right...finding a good source!....i.e. a SAFE source....i.e. someone who ships what the label says. integrity=safety

I DO look to forums like this one as a source of (good/safe) sources. I mean, where the hell else AM I going to find a "known-good" source, if not here?

 

[jaymaximus]

I mean, where the hell else AM I going to find a "known-good" source, if not here?

On a source board

 

[Notits]

"The undergrounds main purpose is harm reduction and safely navigating the steroid underground, not a place to find gear for purchase imo."

uhmm.....from my perspective, that's a direct contradiction. What is one of THE most important facets of harm-reduction/prevention?

Right...finding a good source!....i.e. a SAFE source....i.e. someone who ships what the label says. integrity=safety

I DO look to forums like this one as a source of (good/safe) sources. I mean, where the hell else AM I going to find a "known-good" source, if not here?

The gym.

 

[Burrr]

I mean, where the hell else AM I going to find a "known-good" source, if not here?

On a source board

Meso is more of a place to find what source not to use. What my be a good question for you to ask is about how to properly make use of a source board.
I'll give you your first source board pointer.... disregard the top ranked source list. The best ones seem to be further down in the rankings.

 

[Billy]

I'm a new boot but the whole reason I joined was I have been burned repeatedly here is a pic of the last cycle but I am not trying to burn anyone I just need good info and I thought that it was the reason for the underground threads to get a legit place to get gear and expose the scammers. I thought that was a good thing. It's all illegal so what's the difference

 

[Billy]

Meso is more of a place to find what source not to use. What my be a good question for you to ask is about how to properly make use of a source board.
I'll give you your first source board pointer.... disregard the top ranked source list. The best ones seem to be further down in the rankings.

Where is this source board?

 

[Burrr]

google
steroid review sites

 

[jaymaximus]

I'm a new boot but the whole reason I joined was I have been burned repeatedly here is a pic of the last cycle but I am not trying to burn anyone I just need good info and I thought that it was the reason for the underground threads to get a legit place to get gear and expose the scammers. I thought that was a good thing. It's all illegal so what's the difference

Thanks. That helps?

 

[tubesox]

I'm a new boot but the whole reason I joined was I have been burned repeatedly here is a pic of the last cycle but I am not trying to burn anyone I just need good info and I thought that it was the reason for the underground threads to get a legit place to get gear and expose the scammers. I thought that was a good thing. It's all illegal so what's the difference

Go introduce yourself in the new members section, don't be loud about trying to find a source...you'll be assessed by the forum and its members, be patient....if you've been deemed as one of us, it'll go from there

 

[Bradly]

you'll be assessed by the forum and its members, be patient....if you've been deemed as one of us, it'll go from there

question:

so,am I one of us? cause somehow I feel left out

 

[bickel29]

question:

so,am I one of us? cause somehow I feel left out

Bradly, I know you'll appreciate this response to your question, with its SoCal connection, in the form of a song. The title of the song shall serve as your answer.

 

[weighted chinup]

so,am I one of us? cause somehow I feel left out

You are most certainly being left out. Seriously.

Nah, just fucking with you...that shit doesn't really happen here and if it did you would probably figure it out just by reading the open board. That has been the case with every 'secret' source I've seen so far that has tried to use Meso to sling their wares.

 

[bickel29]

You are most certainly being left out. Seriously.

Nah, just fucking with you...that shit doesn't really happen here and if it did you would probably figure it out just by reading the open board. That has been the case with every 'secret' source I've seen so far that has tried to use Meso to sling their wares.

It's crazy and probably hard to believe, but there was a time not long ago that quite a few fellas here reacted with surprise and anger when @johnnyBALLZ and I stated that secret sourcing was quite prevalent here at Meso. I believe it was maybe mid-2014 that I made a comment in a thread that I very easily could see that secret sourcing was going on here from the first month I joined, despite the fact that I wasn't being approached personally. Johnny agreed with me, and next thing you know, it was on. Millard himself was angered/surprised to read my and JB's statements.

I remember being SHOCKED that many other members didn't see it so clearly. I mean, it was blatant, at least I thought so. The secret sourcers would make comments like "when I pack my orders, I always double wrap them just in case" or "I always ship my packs USPS priority, and no one has ever not received their stuff". And these were just "members" saying this stuff. I couldn't possibly see how anyone else couldn't have taken that as anything more than a way of advertising what they were up to.

I think the debate that ensued as a result from that may have been what partially inspired the "Secret sources.." part that CBS spoke to when he created this thread, although I am not positive.

Again though, my point is that it wasn't that long ago that it was quite a surprise to many folks here that it was going on.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

question:

so,am I one of us? cause somehow I feel left out

Shave that sasquatch beaver in your avatar and then we'll talk.

 

[bickel29]

Shave that sasquatch beaver in your avatar and then we'll talk.

It's not so much the sasquatch that gets me, it's that her facial expression combined with her posture makes it appear as if she is trying to push something out. Maybe she is?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I think the debate that ensued as a result from that may have been what partially inspired the "Secret sources.." part that CBS spoke to when he created this thread, although I am not positive.

That was the catalyst for this thread, Bickel. Prior to that revelation, I was oblivious to the fact that secret sourcing was going on here. I guess I had always assumed that Meso was above all that and it was disappointing to find out it wasn't. I think a lot of members were disappointed to find out - and probably just as many were disappointed that the secret was let out.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

It's not so much the sasquatch that gets me, it's that her facial expression combined with her posture makes it appear as if she is trying to push something out. Maybe she is?

Now that you mention it, it does look like she's trying to shit the bed. Maybe Bradley has one of those scat fetishes.