Should prisons have weight rooms for convicts?

[Regular Joe]

The examples you posted are true. There are people who are good people who go to prison. But you try and extrapolate that and make it look like "most " of these guys are just nice guys who made a mistake or beat up some dude who raped their sister. real life isn't a movie. MOST of the people in jails are actually pieces of shit.

It's like you watch 1 movie where someone was falsely accused and spent 20 years in jail for something he didn't do. Then all of a sudden "well damn most of them are innocent the whole system is fucked up"

That makes about as much sense as saying an asian gave you an STD so all asian girls do. There are a few good apples in person, but the overwhelming majority are scum.

No most are illegal drug users, just like you!

 

[rfan2020]

No most are illegal drug users, just like you!

Their definitely innocent angels who just mind their business and order and shoot gear to look better!

Every AAS user I know is just getting busted left and right every time they try and order drol and test. I mean at my 1 gym 10 guys this week got raided by the DEA, 5 had controlled deliveries, and 8 got pulled over by cops while driving their gear home from the UPS store.

LOL, only dumb fucks doing some other shit get busted for drugs. Selling, them, beating their girl, driving on expired tags.

I feel like some on this forum sit around and ejaculate at the thought of white knighting from scum criminals. Why not rather than ejaculating while thinking "im such a swell guy I stand up for oppressed inmates" go do a conjugal visit in prison and you can sit on their cock and ejaculate when you feel them ejaculate ? LOL

 

[Regular Joe]

You win, my brain is hurting trying to follow your long winded incoherent ramblings. The government should be trusted completely when they lock people up for doing drugs ( like everyone on this site) but they are out to get you with vaccines and masks.

All of life is gray, our government is the same, to think any aspect of it is all right or wrong is just retarded

 

[MairUnderwood(Researcher)]

You think that the US has so much crime and repeat offenders because prison is a luxury?

The US has no focus on criminal reform... They just have a mentality like you do, make it hell inside so they hate it. Probably why the US prison system is an unmitigated disaster and other developed countries prevent repeat offenders and turn convicts into productive members of society when they get out. Probably won't happen here because the for profit prisons prefer to, you know, make a profit.

Man, as an outsider the US criminal system seems absolutely fucked up! On the basis of my in-depth exploration (seeing a few things on TV ) it seems that they don't give a fuck about people coming out way more fucked up than when they went in. They don't even pretend to try and rehabilitate!

 

[StorGuillermoKardamo]

Liberal logic

" we need to stop taking non violent offenders like drug dealers, burglars, stalkers, etc freedom away"

but..."we need more lockdowns, masks, vaccine passports, all these people bitching about 'muh freedom' are selfish"

""we need to rehab inmates and let them out see if they behave"

but......."you need to wear a mask to NOT risk my life from the deadly .0001% death rate covid"

"private companies are evil how can we have prisons for profit"

but......."I got the PFIZER JAB today, trust PFIZER they aren't about profit they save lives its our duty to get the PFIZER shot"

LOLOL. Emotional people are both weak and stupid. People who want to create an ideal society have a low IQ and have their head up their ass.

Your logical fallacy is ad hominem

You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.

yourlogicalfallacyis.com

Your logical fallacy is appeal to authority

You said that because an authority thinks something, it must therefore be true.

yourlogicalfallacyis.com

I'm a registered republican and firm constitutional conservative. I support ending the drug war, criminal justice reform, medical and recreational marijuana laws, constitutional carry as an inherent right in every state, have opposed all covid measures, do not believe in income taxes at the federal level (and am not a fan of the concept in general), want the border wall built, want legal immigration to be as easy as possible... I could go on and on and on. All of these are fairly common beliefs along both of the US American political paradigms.

You couldn't tell shit from shinola if bubba was shoving it back up your ass.

 

[Eman]

Man, as an outsider the US criminal system seems absolutely fucked up! On the basis of my in-depth exploration (seeing a few things on TV ) it seems that they don't give a fuck about people coming out way more fucked up than when they went in. They don't even pretend to try and rehabilitate!

If anything, I feel like I've understated how poorly rehabilitation is structured here.

However, there are a few things that are built to help convicts too. Tax credits for hiring ex felons being one. I'm not sure how hard it is for a convict to get a job when they get out elsewhere in the world but I don't think it's very easy here. But, not many employers are going to take advantage of it - plus, felons are not able to take advantage of many assistance programs like food stamps or general welfare programs that they likely need to get themselves back on their feet. I'd hope there are some programs they could take advantage that I just don't know about but I don't think it's exaggerated to say that getting a job or getting any assistance is going to be very tough.

So, if you serve your time and get out... You'll struggle to get a job and struggle to get any assistance while you struggle to get said job. They're already predisposed to crime... Is it any wonder they commit another one? I'm not a criminal but I'd sure as shit commit as many crimes as I needed if it meant survival.

 

[Millard]

Man, as an outsider the US criminal system seems absolutely fucked up! On the basis of my in-depth exploration (seeing a few things on TV ) it seems that they don't give a fuck about people coming out way more fucked up than when they went in. They don't even pretend to try and rehabilitate!

If anything, I feel like I've understated how poorly rehabilitation is structured here.

However, there are a few things that are built to help convicts too. Tax credits for hiring ex felons being one. I'm not sure how hard it is for a convict to get a job when they get out elsewhere in the world but I don't think it's very easy here. But, not many employers are going to take advantage of it - plus, felons are not able to take advantage of many assistance programs like food stamps or general welfare programs that they likely need to get themselves back on their feet. I'd hope there are some programs they could take advantage that I just don't know about but I don't think it's exaggerated to say that getting a job or getting any assistance is going to be very tough.

So, if you serve your time and get out... You'll struggle to get a job and struggle to get any assistance while you struggle to get said job. They're already predisposed to crime... Is it any wonder they commit another one? I'm not a criminal but I'd sure as shit commit as many crimes as I needed if it meant survival.

The punitive approach is so much part of our culture in the U.S. If you sin, you should be punished and you should suffer. It's behind criminal justice policy in general, especially the war on drugs, and it drives the anti-doping movement / war on steroids.

And yeah, the punishment for felons continues long after they serve their sentence. They have been historically disenfranchised although there has been limited movement to restore their right to vote. And no federal grants or loans to students who are felons - and I think even drug misdemeanors will make you ineligible for university financial aid. They are intended to suffer.

 

[Infidel141]

I don't know why, nor do I care? Why would I care if a crackhead gets a longer sentence than a coke head? Lock em both up. If I was paid to determine senteces or a living them maybe I would give a shit and then decide which one would be longer. Without being a drug expert id assume coke costs more than crack. I may give the crackhead longer than the coke head because he's probably out robbing people to pay for his shit, while the coke head is probably a CEO who pays for his coke with his own dollar.

My main point? Every criminal out there who thinks society, or his daddy, or his mommy not loving him gave him no shot at life and he was destined to be locked up and he just couldn't help it. My point to that criminal is this...

Most of us don't give a fuck about your sob story. Fix your own problems, I don't want my tax dollars paying to "rehabilitate" someone as they so nicely put it. LOl at this new-speak the world is moving towards, we "rehabilitate" "offenders" do "social distancing" when we have pandemics and try and discourage "vaccine hesitancy".

Orwellian shit

You would rather your tax dollars be used to keep them locked in a cage instead....makes fucking sense. I've stuffed a 8ball of coke in my nose in 2 days does that mean I need to get locked up? Fuck no. It's no one's business what anyone does unless they are hurting others.

Authoritarian shit... "lAw aND oRdER" hurr durrr. Fucking off yourself faggot

 

[Infidel141]

Let them do push ups...these creeps would throw their feces, urine and ejaculate at you just for kicks...

I would too if you locked me in a god damn cage.

I'm a registered republican and firm constitutional conservative. I support ending the drug war, criminal justice reform, medical and recreational marijuana laws, constitutional carry as an inherent right in every state, have opposed all covid measures, do not believe in income taxes at the federal level (and am not a fan of the concept in general), want the border wall built, want legal immigration to be as easy as possible... I could go on and on and on. All of these are fairly common beliefs along both of the US American political paradigms.

You couldn't tell shit from shinola if bubba was shoving it back up your ass.

That is literally not what a republican is..but ok Einstein. Are you afraid to call yourself a libertarian or something? Why would you associate yourself with dumbfuck Republicans when you carry such a libertarian view? Cuck points?

 

[malfeasance]

He is not a libertarian, either (open borders, abortion on demand). Lots of us are stuck between conservative and libertarian, with viewpoints that do not neatly coincide with either.

The only thing I do know is that I share 0 viewpoints with democrats and socialists of any stripe.

 

[shackleford]

He is not a libertarian, either (open borders, abortion on demand). Lots of us are stuck between conservative and libertarian, with viewpoints that do not neatly coincide with either.

The only thing I do know is that I share 0 viewpoints with democrats and socialists of any stripe.

I suppose we can label ourselves as free thinking individuals

 

[phenominal34]

Let them do push ups...these creeps would throw their feces, urine and ejaculate at you just for kicks...

They don’t get it because the ones sticking up for criminals are the scumbag criminals themselves . Just listen to them ... I did a stint, I did some time, I had a couple bags of weed lol you’re dumb as fuck if you got kicked up for a couple dime bags or you got a record you SCUM FUCKS !!!!!

Lol at the blacks didn’t have this or that. Change your lives.

Target is hiring for $18 an hour but the scum welfare fucks of this world would rather sit on the front porch and collect food stamps and have 1000 tattoos and the newest Jordan’s and I phones out. Y’all deserve to be on an island together and have it blown up by a bomb !!!! Filth of the world

 

[shackleford]

They don’t get it because the ones sticking up for criminals are the scumbag criminals themselves . Just listen to them ... I did a stint, I did some time, I had a couple bags of weed lol you’re dumb as fuck if you got kicked up for a couple dime bags or you got a record you SCUM FUCKS !!!!!

Lol at the blacks didn’t have this or that. Change your lives.

Target is hiring for $18 an hour but the scum welfare fucks of this world would rather sit on the front porch and collect food stamps and have 1000 tattoos and the newest Jordan’s and I phones out. Y’all deserve to be on an island together and have it blown up by a bomb !!!! Filth of the world

wow, 18 bucks working at target? thats more than i make as a public servant

 

[Regular Joe]

They don’t get it because the ones sticking up for criminals are the scumbag criminals themselves . Just listen to them ... I did a stint, I did some time, I had a couple bags of weed lol you’re dumb as fuck if you got kicked up for a couple dime bags or you got a record you SCUM FUCKS !!!!!

Lol at the blacks didn’t have this or that. Change your lives.

Target is hiring for $18 an hour but the scum welfare fucks of this world would rather sit on the front porch and collect food stamps and have 1000 tattoos and the newest Jordan’s and I phones out. Y’all deserve to be on an island together and have it blown up by a bomb !!!! Filth of the world

Every time I think how can the left be so stupid with BLM and defund the police a retarded right winger like you opens his mouth and I realize the country is still centered.

And I've never done time

 

[rfan2020]

You would rather your tax dollars be used to keep them locked in a cage instead....makes fucking sense. I've stuffed a 8ball of coke in my nose in 2 days does that mean I need to get locked up? Fuck no. It's no one's business what anyone does unless they are hurting others.

Authoritarian shit... "lAw aND oRdER" hurr durrr. Fucking off yourself faggot

you misunderstand. us right wingers don't care that you snort an 8 ball to cope with whatever mental issues you have, its that we don't care to hear your sob story when you cry victim when you get locked up. empathy is for women who get raped, children molested, and foreigners shot with US drones, not an adult man who can't control his impulses or is flat out stupid

 

[malfeasance]

wow, 18 bucks working at target? thats more than i make as a public servant

Consider how important that service is to you long term. Average hourly wage in the US is $30 an hour. More skills of course means much more than that, and skills are things that can be learned.

 

[KDog77]

Its not that they ARE fine people, it's that they can BECOME fine people. Pedos are unredeemable, but killing can be much more complicated than that. What about the people who end up in prison for killing their childs rapist? Are they evil? Did the rapist deserve better than them and their child?

Those are the killers that I said would be exceptions to the rule.

 

[shackleford]

Consider how important that service is to you long term. Average hourly wage in the US is $30 an hour. More skills of course means much more than that, and skills are things that can be learned.

Wow i didnt know the average wage was so high. That more than I'll top out at throughout my career lol.
I love what I do, but I have been looking to learn something new. I'd like to find a productive side gig on my off days.

 

[Bumble]

Bullshit, if you grew in a poor neighborhood, from a very poor family etc you are more likely to end up in jail. This is fucking statistic, you retards.

It's not opinion! It's like saying: most of the crimes are done by black ppl. Ok, it could be true but you need to dig deeper. Do you know that black veterans after world war 2 were denied billions of American dollars that were there to help military personnel coming back from ww2 in settling down and getting back to a normal life? There were facilitated loans, money and many other benefit that were NEVER given to them. You know what this created? A massive poverty in the black community, what do you think poverty brings? Crime.
What do you think no education brings? Crime. Let's not forget black ppl weren't allowed to enter or get served in many places, the schools that they had were below national.standard and considered the shit of the shit. They weren't even allowed into sports.

You had segregation until 1964 for fuck sake!

So yeah black ppl are a big fucking pain in the ass in America but it's not like because they are genetically bad or born evil... Same as many white ppl..in the end the problem is not the colour of your skin (it is but it shouldn't be), the problem is ignorance, poverty, no education, and laws that punish and destroy ppl life without reforming, because no one give a fuck.


And btw abide to society and it's rules? Yeah sure when those rules make sense..if it wasn't for great human beings that challenged the rules of society we would still be leaving under kings emperor and you could be born a slave.

So why don't you all fuck off out of here?

"I, as a responsible adult human being, will never concede the power to anyone to regulate my choice of what I put into my body, or where I go with my mind. From the skin inwards is my jurisdiction, is it not? I choose what may or may not cross that border. Here I am the Customs Agent. I am the Coast guard. I am the sole legal and spiritual government of this territory, and only the laws I choose to enact within myself are applicable"


"To demand that a person pee in a cup whenever you wish him to, without a documented reason to suspect that he has been using an illegal drug, is intolerable in our republic. You are saying to him, "I wonder if you are not behaving in a way that I approve of. Convince me that you indeed are. Outrageous. Intolerable.

Wait. Are you suggesting that drug tests are unreasonable for people before they except free money from the govt (that comes from my paycheck)?

I have to pay for govt subsidized addiction.

Come on folks. Even the libs gotta balk at this.

 

[Bumble]

Rapists and pedophiles make up a small % of prison population. If you went through a prison and actually did a survey on who had a father around or positive male role model in life, 90% of the population would tell you they did not.

So they take to friends for attention and a family unit since the one at home is absent, even if it means doing crime. What does it matter who you let down at home when they were never there to begin with?

That's interesting....maybe even causal, but if you fuck up, there are rules.