Should prisons have weight rooms for convicts?

[KDog77]

I agree but is rehabilitation more costly than prison? There is no doubt too many people in prison and putting an addict in prison is not the answer. The only real answer is rehab if the addict can actually buy into a program's message.

It's a hard call. As an ex addict myself that struggles daily, most are repeat offenders and never get I thru there head. I don't believe in being locked up for drug offenses tho but it's hard to make that call. So many ppl are fucked for years for a couple bags of pot or stupid shit.

 

[malfeasance]

88% to 12% in favor

 

[chtenna94]

For some people, there is a moral panic over prisoners who still have the freedom to work out and lift weights while incarcerated. They feel weightlifting convicts are a threat to society. John Hoberman discusses this in his article:

“He’s Pumping. Are You?”

Weightlifting Convicts as a Threat to Society One of the less visible contests between policemen and criminals occurs in an indirect fashion in station

thinksteroids.com

What are your thoughts?

Let them lift ... it’s one of the few privileges they have. It’s not like they will be running around making huge gains while acting super aggressive with high test... they did and still do give prisoners soft-pedar

 

[chtenna94]

It's a hard call. As an ex addict myself that struggles daily, most are repeat offenders and never get I thru there head. I don't believe in being locked up for drug offenses tho but it's hard to make that call. So many ppl are fucked for years for a couple bags of pot or stupid shit.

Thanks to trump a lot of non violent drug offenders where released

 

[chtenna94]

They shouldn’t get shit at all but 3 terrible meals and a cot. That’s it, that’s why you have repeat offenders and so much crime because most of them have it better inside and don’t mind going back. This world never ceases to amaze me.

Unless you have commissary... let’s not forget about the soft-pedar they give them... also working out with your Celly can be productive ... gains are made by using each others body weight

 

[KDog77]

Thanks to trump a lot of non violent drug offenders where released

Yeah he sure did. One of the many good things.

 

[Infidel141]

Thanks to trump a lot of non violent drug offenders where released

Had jack shit to do with reforming non violent offenders sentencing, just because they were released because of covid.
The trump admin was the most authoritarian admin I've seen in the past 15 years. Let's praise a man that passed more anti 2a legislation than the previous and call him a champion of liberty I feel like I've heard this before

 

[StorGuillermoKardamo]

As someone who was in and out the first 25 years of my life I understand most of y'all's points of view, except you guys saying murderers are fine guys too. I say everyone should have a shot at rehab except pedos and killers because the ppl that were the victims damn sure didint get a fair shot. There are exceptions to the rule but for the most part screw pedos and killers throw them underground.

Its not that they ARE fine people, it's that they can BECOME fine people. Pedos are unredeemable, but killing can be much more complicated than that. What about the people who end up in prison for killing their childs rapist? Are they evil? Did the rapist deserve better than them and their child?

 

[Demondosage]

100 rapists and 100 pedophiles use this excuse too

but, but, but, my daddy wasn't around I grew up poor, so I kidnapped a kid and raped him

excuses

its hard to get locked up in jail you have to either be really stupid or try

Rapists and pedophiles make up a small % of prison population. If you went through a prison and actually did a survey on who had a father around or positive male role model in life, 90% of the population would tell you they did not.

So they take to friends for attention and a family unit since the one at home is absent, even if it means doing crime. What does it matter who you let down at home when they were never there to begin with?

 

[Sp2.0]

We definitely need to do better at trying to reform the ones who want to do it. The weights I would think would be a good motivational tool and should be provided as a privilege. Pedos and rapists shouldn't ever get out imo so they should be excluded.

Father in the home or no father in the home to me makes no difference. If they did the crime they should be held accountable but not attempting to help them improve doesn't do society any good. Sometimes having a father in the home is worse then not having one.

 

[Demondosage]

All I'm saying is sometimes we never know HOW WE WOULD HAVE TURNED OUT had we not come from decent upbringing.

For example, I could see how it would be easier for a child to steal if they didn't have parents that provided for them. I could see how it would be harder to act human when a child has never been shown love. I think there is more to it than just ppl who decided to break the law one day. If weights are what can make a grown man feel like they're proud of something and accomplished then I consider it a start to reforming someone who has had a dark and depressing life.

 

[rfan2020]

Actually he is talking about recent history. I will add to what @Sampei said. In the 60's under the LBJ administration our government threw money at the black people to appease them instead of actually educating and giving them a chance.
One parent families skyrocketed in this time period because mothers were paid based on the number of children they had as long as the father wasn't around.
Thats not giving those children much of a chance to succeed.

nothing, money, power, quotas, will help a people or group of people who don't take control of their lives and insist they are victims and hate others. some people can not be helped, and therefore throwing resources at them is useless. Would you spend $10k and buy breast implants for a girl with a busted face who is a heroin addict, 25, and has 6 kids....or spend it on a young pretty girl who is going through medical school?

 

[Regular Joe]

nothing, money, power, quotas, will help a people or group of people who don't take control of their lives and insist they are victims and hate others. some people can not be helped, and therefore throwing resources at them is useless. Would you spend $10k and buy breast implants for a girl with a busted face who is a heroin addict, 25, and has 6 kids....or spend it on a young pretty girl who is going through medical school?

 

[koolio]

Let them do push ups...these creeps would throw their feces, urine and ejaculate at you just for kicks...

 

[rfan2020]

Liberal logic

" we need to stop taking non violent offenders like drug dealers, burglars, stalkers, etc freedom away"

but..."we need more lockdowns, masks, vaccine passports, all these people bitching about 'muh freedom' are selfish"

""we need to rehab inmates and let them out see if they behave"

but......."you need to wear a mask to NOT risk my life from the deadly .0001% death rate covid"

"private companies are evil how can we have prisons for profit"

but......."I got the PFIZER JAB today, trust PFIZER they aren't about profit they save lives its our duty to get the PFIZER shot"

LOLOL. Emotional people are both weak and stupid. People who want to create an ideal society have a low IQ and have their head up their ass.

 

[Test_Subject]

Liberal logic

" we need to stop taking non violent offenders like drug dealers, burglars, stalkers, etc freedom away"

but..."we need more lockdowns, masks, vaccine passports, all these people bitching about 'muh freedom' are selfish"

""we need to rehab inmates and let them out see if they behave"

but......."you need to wear a mask to NOT risk my life from the deadly .0001% death rate covid"

"private companies are evil how can we have prisons for profit"

but......."I got the PFIZER JAB today, trust PFIZER they aren't about profit they save lives its our duty to get the PFIZER shot"

LOLOL. Emotional people are both weak and stupid. People who want to create an ideal society have a low IQ and have their head up their ass.

You realize that you’re talking about two separate issues, right? A lot of liberals are against lockdowns and many conservatives agree with prison reform. You’re creating a false equivalency.

I get it, staying on topic is hard when the facts aren’t in your favour — but at least try.

Just for fun, can you tell me why crack cocaine is scheduled more harshly than powdered cocaine?

 

[Demondosage]

Let's put it this way, the majority of us on this forum run gear. Let's say we get in trouble and go away a little while, does that make us bad ppl?

Some dude rapes your kid, you know he did it, you go after him and put a bullet in his head....you get locked up for it. During your stint you are put in a position to defend yourself and you get 3 more years tacked on your sentence. All you wanna do is go home and see your kids. Are you a bad person for that?

It's not always so clear and cut like ppl think when it comes to those doing time. Not everyone in lockup is a bad person. Not everyone who did dumb shit in the past stays a bad person.

There are stock traders driving exotic cars and blowing coke out the ying yang on a regular, but they aren't locked up yet so ppl look up to them. The difference between them and someone doing time for drugs? One got caught and the other hasn't been had. But let's lose this holier than though shit already, because there is a pretty damn good chance that almost all of us are doing shit that is possibly illegal.

 

[rfan2020]

You realize that you’re talking about two separate issues, right? A lot of liberals are against lockdowns and many conservatives agree with prison reform. You’re creating a false equivalency.

I get it, staying on topic is hard when the facts aren’t in your favour — but at least try.

Just for fun, can you tell me why crack cocaine is scheduled more harshly than powdered cocaine?

I don't know why, nor do I care? Why would I care if a crackhead gets a longer sentence than a coke head? Lock em both up. If I was paid to determine senteces or a living them maybe I would give a shit and then decide which one would be longer. Without being a drug expert id assume coke costs more than crack. I may give the crackhead longer than the coke head because he's probably out robbing people to pay for his shit, while the coke head is probably a CEO who pays for his coke with his own dollar.

My main point? Every criminal out there who thinks society, or his daddy, or his mommy not loving him gave him no shot at life and he was destined to be locked up and he just couldn't help it. My point to that criminal is this...

Most of us don't give a fuck about your sob story. Fix your own problems, I don't want my tax dollars paying to "rehabilitate" someone as they so nicely put it. LOl at this new-speak the world is moving towards, we "rehabilitate" "offenders" do "social distancing" when we have pandemics and try and discourage "vaccine hesitancy".

Orwellian shit

 

[rfan2020]

Let's put it this way, the majority of us on this forum run gear. Let's say we get in trouble and go away a little while, does that make us bad ppl?

Some dude rapes your kid, you know he did it, you go after him and put a bullet in his head....you get locked up for it. During your stint you are put in a position to defend yourself and you get 3 more years tacked on your sentence. All you wanna do is go home and see your kids. Are you a bad person for that?

It's not always so clear and cut like ppl think when it comes to those doing time. Not everyone in lockup is a bad person. Not everyone who did dumb shit in the past stays a bad person.

There are stock traders driving exotic cars and blowing coke out the ying yang on a regular, but they aren't locked up yet so ppl look up to them. The difference between them and someone doing time for drugs? One got caught and the other hasn't been had. But let's lose this holier than though shit already, because there is a pretty damn good chance that almost all of us are doing shit that is possibly illegal.

The examples you posted are true. There are people who are good people who go to prison. But you try and extrapolate that and make it look like "most " of these guys are just nice guys who made a mistake or beat up some dude who raped their sister. real life isn't a movie. MOST of the people in jails are actually pieces of shit.

It's like you watch 1 movie where someone was falsely accused and spent 20 years in jail for something he didn't do. Then all of a sudden "well damn most of them are innocent the whole system is fucked up"

That makes about as much sense as saying an asian gave you an STD so all asian girls do. There are a few good apples in person, but the overwhelming majority are scum.

 

[Demondosage]

The examples you posted are true. There are people who are good people who go to prison. But you try and extrapolate that and make it look like "most " of these guys are just nice guys who made a mistake or beat up some dude who raped their sister. real life isn't a movie. MOST of the people in jails are actually pieces of shit.

It's like you watch 1 movie where someone was falsely accused and spent 20 years in jail for something he didn't do. Then all of a sudden "well damn most of them are innocent the whole system is fucked up"

That makes about as much sense as saying an asian gave you an STD so all asian girls do. There are a few good apples in person, but the overwhelming majority are scum.

Nah, I agree with you there. Most are degenerates and will always be degenerates. I'm probably speaking out of more experience of knowing ppl that have done time and turned their lives around. But the few I personally know don't overwhelm the majority of society failures that cannot be fixed no matter what the reform is.