Should prisons have weight rooms for convicts?

[Bumble]

Interesting you would post this when so many forum members here have been in prison.

So do you use steroids? Are you immune from going to prison for steroids?

100% correct answer is, it depends on his income.

 

[Bumble]

Are you using anything more than doctor prescribed hrt meds or do you use underground gear and blast cycles?

If the answer is the latter, you should probably shut the fuck up.

There is a difference between a scofflaw (look it up) and an individual who cant get along in society.

 

[Regular Joe]

I don't know, i dont care....hell let the govt create 'loans for prisoners' and dock their pay when released. Not my job to pay for anybody else's shit....other than myself and my family. Especially in this climate with a good guy liberal in the white house. Let the Biden's pay for it. Put a prisoner's tax on politician's salaries...see how long that shit lasts.

Same goes for me...or anybody. If i fuck up, that's on me. I have no expectation for you, or anybody else, to pay for my prison time.

Hell deport 'em, if it's cheaper. I do not care. The money i earn should go in my wallet

So if you get caught with some unprescribed or illegal aas you would be ok with getting deported

 

[Bumble]

Given that the vast majority of prison inmates are non-violent offenders in jail for something that is crime only because some law says it is a crime, I don't have a problem with weights being provided.

I would feel differently if prisons really were just places for murderers and rapists and robbers, but that is so far from reality as to be laughable.

I have no problems with Martha Stewart having done some weight training when she was in the joint.

Fair point. I do not know that stats, therefore i will defer...as long as i dont have to pay for it.

 

[Bumble]

I don't know, i dont care....hell let the govt create 'loans for prisoners' and dock their pay when released. Not my job to pay for anybody else's shit....other than myself and my family. Especially in this climate with a good guy liberal in the white house. Let the Biden's pay for it. Put a prisoner's tax on politician's salaries...see how long that shit lasts.

Same goes for me...or anybody. If i fuck up, that's on me. I have no expectation for you, or anybody else, to pay for my prison time.

Hell deport 'em, if it's cheaper. I do not care. The money i earn should go in my wallet

I intend no personal offense to any brothers here, formerly incarcerated or not. More of an anti-liberal rant day.

Peace

 

[Bumble]

So if you get caught with some unprescribed or illegal aas you would be ok with getting deported

If that's the rule.

Most people go their whole lives without going to jail without even trying....my dad screamed at me after bailing me for a PI.

Make good decisions based on the game you're playing...hand you're dealt

 

[phenominal34]

ahh, so a drug dealer hurt you, knew it had to be something.

How hypocritical that convicts need to take accountability for their actions but are also still scum, but you're niece somehow isn't in that same group?
maybe she shouldn't have been taking drugs??

Wtf are you talking about you retarded fuck ?! Seriously your a typical ignorant human who ends up in prison so I see why your sticking up for your scum counterparts.

I don’t even have a niece dumb ass [emoji2361][emoji2361] go chug some bleach and do the world a favor

 

[Test_Subject]

If it cost me half a cent over my entire lifespan, then no. I have no desire to, literally, pay for somebody else's crime/punishment. We have too many social programs and gifts, as it is.

The thing is, it’s a lot more expensive to repeatedly jail someone throughout their life, or to incarcerate them for long periods of time, than it is to rehabilitate them and turn them into a productive citizen.

Rehabilitation is actually fiscally responsible because you create taxpayers rather than life long burdens.

Granted, some people are beyond saving, but most aren’t. For every stone cold killer there are twenty guys who just grew up with no opportunities and fucked up.

 

[Regular Joe]

If that's the rule.

Most people go their whole lives without going to jail without even trying....my dad screamed at me after bailing me for a PI.

Make good decisions based on the game you're playing...hand you're dealt

If that's the rule, play the hand you're dealt? The people in prison did play the hand they were dealt and are being punished according to the rules. You are the one wanting to change the system.

I'm guessing you are a hard right libertarian (the other libtard) who only thinks about political changes a move or two out.

 

[Demondosage]

Just because someone is doing time doesn't necessarily mean they're a bad person. It means they were put in bad situations, or did the wrong thing for the right reason sometimes.

Not everyone came from a good family, had a positive male role model or influence in life. Most inmates lacked a strong male figure in life. If anything, letting them lift weights can provide what upbringing possibly didn't, a routine and discipline. I think taking weight equipment away is sort of a detriment to the reform system.

 

[Big_paul]

think taking weight equipment away is sort of a detriment to the reform system

Reform isn't a consideration. The system is designed to crush body and spirit for life.

 

[Demondosage]

Reform isn't a consideration. The system is designed to crush body and spirit for life.

Yea, seems that way for sure

 

[rfan2020]

Just because someone is doing time doesn't necessarily mean they're a bad person. It means they were put in bad situations, or did the wrong thing for the right reason sometimes.

Not everyone came from a good family, had a positive male role model or influence in life. Most inmates lacked a strong male figure in life. If anything, letting them lift weights can provide what upbringing possibly didn't, a routine and discipline. I think taking weight equipment away is sort of a detriment to the reform system.

100 rapists and 100 pedophiles use this excuse too

but, but, but, my daddy wasn't around I grew up poor, so I kidnapped a kid and raped him

excuses

its hard to get locked up in jail you have to either be really stupid or try

 

[rfan2020]

Reform isn't a consideration. The system is designed to crush body and spirit for life.

"crush body and spirit"

can you give me a link to where society crushed a body in jail? and the spirit too? do I need to take course in relgion or find a Buddha doll so I can see the spirt actually getting crushed?

LOL at emotional idealists

 

[Methyl Mike]

Let them lift but use it as a privilege that can be taken away if a con steps out of line.
Also after most workouts I’m spent and would rather eat and chill than go stir up some shit. If someone is passionate about something they’ll find a way regardless, a trash bag inside a pillowcase makes for some decent weight, they’ve got nothing but time and can get quite creative.
As the article points out, protein is like gold behind bars, if they screw up yank the protein or better yet make all protein come from soy, that would have an impact on testosterone/Estrogen and perhaps turn them into submissive little bitches like we have on the outside...

I can only say this post is better than mine would have been. Spot on.

 

[Methyl Mike]

100 rapists and 100 pedophiles use this excuse too

but, but, but, my daddy wasn't around I grew up poor, so I kidnapped a kid and raped him

excuses

its hard to get locked up in jail you have to either be really stupid or try

I grew up fatherless and poor and I haven't kidnapped any kids yet. Am I supposed to be meeting a quota or what?????

 

[lifter6973]

The thing is, it’s a lot more expensive to repeatedly jail someone throughout their life, or to incarcerate them for long periods of time, than it is to rehabilitate them and turn them into a productive citizen.

Rehabilitation is actually fiscally responsible because you create taxpayers rather than life long burdens.

Granted, some people are beyond saving, but most aren’t. For every stone cold killer there are twenty guys who just grew up with no opportunities and fucked up.

I agree but is rehabilitation more costly than prison? There is no doubt too many people in prison and putting an addict in prison is not the answer. The only real answer is rehab if the addict can actually buy into a program's message.

 

[daron_e]

Speaking from personal experience working inside I saw predominantly positive things from their access to training. Friendly rivalries..increased self esteem from the younger inmates
.....commaradarie when we
had powerlifting teams...orsomething to simply pass the time and stay out of trouble. The argument is there of course that it makes bigger stronger criminals. I didn't see it that way.. In my experience the lifers were the biggest guys....and they aren't going anywhere.

 

[Test_Subject]

I agree but is rehabilitation more costly than prison? There is no doubt too many people in prison and putting an addict in prison is not the answer. The only real answer is rehab if the addict can actually buy into a program's message.

I have no hard data on that, because it would largely depend on what level of rehabilitation we’re talking about, but I’d be inclined to say “no.”

As of 2017 it cost about $35,000 a year to house a federal inmate. Spending money to avoid housing repeat offenders seems like a pretty good idea with that in mind.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/04/30/2018-09062/annual-determination-of-average-cost-of-incarceration

So say you spend an additional $10,000 dollars per year on giving an inmate vocational training, education, weights etc. during a three year sentence (just an example). If you can avoid having them return for even a one year sentence by doing so, you’re coming out ahead. That’s not even counting the tax dollars that they’ll contribute with their legit job.

I’m obviously simplifying to make a point, but I’m sure that you get the idea. Purely punitive incarceration is expensive and counterproductive.

 

[daron_e]

I have no hard data on that, because it would largely depend on what level of rehabilitation we’re talking about, but I’d be inclined to say “no.”

As of 2017 it cost about $35,000 a year to house a federal inmate. Spending money to avoid housing repeat offenders seems like a pretty good idea with that in mind.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/04/30/2018-09062/annual-determination-of-average-cost-of-incarceration

So say you spend an additional $10,000 dollars per year on giving an inmate vocational training or education during a three year sentence (just an example). If you can avoid having them return for even a one year sentence by doing so, you’re coming out ahead. That’s not even counting the tax dollars that they’ll contribute with their legit job.

I’m obviously simplifying to make a point, but I’m sure that you get the idea.

They have many programs..schools etc. in my institution. Multiple vocational programs. Most of those guys also go to the prison gym on their time away from classes. I don't understand how that would affect the recidivism rate. Weights/no weights? Unless I am totally missing what u were getting at? Which is quite possible.