Should prisons have weight rooms for convicts?

[daron_e]

They have many programs..schools etc. in my institution. Multiple vocational programs. Most of those guys also go to the prison gym on their time away from classes. I don't understand how that would affect the recidivism rate. Weights/no weights? Unless I am totally missing what u were getting at? Which is quite possible.

I have no hard data on that, because it would largely depend on what level of rehabilitation we’re talking about, but I’d be inclined to say “no.”

As of 2017 it cost about $35,000 a year to house a federal inmate. Spending money to avoid housing repeat offenders seems like a pretty good idea with that in mind.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/04/30/2018-09062/annual-determination-of-average-cost-of-incarceration

So say you spend an additional $10,000 dollars per year on giving an inmate vocational training, education, weights etc. during a three year sentence (just an example). If you can avoid having them return for even a one year sentence by doing so, you’re coming out ahead. That’s not even counting the tax dollars that they’ll contribute with their legit job.

I’m obviously simplifying to make a point, but I’m sure that you get the idea. Purely punitive incarceration is expensive and counterproductive.

The last point u made is so very true and out of control in the US. Especially non violent drug crimes.

 

[Test_Subject]

They have many programs..schools etc. in my institution. Multiple vocational programs. Most of those guys also go to the prison gym on their time away from classes. I don't understand how that would affect the recidivism rate. Weights/no weights? Unless I am totally missing what u were getting at? Which is quite possible.

I’m sure that said programs exist, but how well are they funded?

 

[Bumble]

If that's the rule, play the hand you're dealt? The people in prison did play the hand they were dealt and are being punished according to the rules. You are the one wanting to change the system.

I'm guessing you are a hard right libertarian (the other libtard) who only thinks about political changes a move or two out.

Man you gotta work on your skills or something...especially if you're gonna try and insult somebody. How does 'law and order', no social programs, less taxes, etc and so forth translate to anything but hard right for you...or anybody reading?

Wow. I guess i need to consider my audience and be more clear.

 

[Bumble]

The thing is, it’s a lot more expensive to repeatedly jail someone throughout their life, or to incarcerate them for long periods of time, than it is to rehabilitate them and turn them into a productive citizen.

Rehabilitation is actually fiscally responsible because you create taxpayers rather than life long burdens.

Granted, some people are beyond saving, but most aren’t. For every stone cold killer there are twenty guys who just grew up with no opportunities and fucked up.

'Fiscally responsible'....now I'm listening.

 

[daron_e]

I’m sure that said programs exist, but how well are they funded?

In my State very well. The facilities are newer and well staffed/maintained. This is not federal though I can't speak to that.

 

[Methyl Mike]

I have no hard data on that, because it would largely depend on what level of rehabilitation we’re talking about, but I’d be inclined to say “no.”

As of 2017 it cost about $35,000 a year to house a federal inmate. Spending money to avoid housing repeat offenders seems like a pretty good idea with that in mind.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/04/30/2018-09062/annual-determination-of-average-cost-of-incarceration

So say you spend an additional $10,000 dollars per year on giving an inmate vocational training, education, weights etc. during a three year sentence (just an example). If you can avoid having them return for even a one year sentence by doing so, you’re coming out ahead. That’s not even counting the tax dollars that they’ll contribute with their legit job.

I’m obviously simplifying to make a point, but I’m sure that you get the idea. Purely punitive incarceration is expensive and counterproductive.

We can only hope one day the people running the show think like you do. At this point I am not optimistic but you never know...

 

[rfan2020]

so we already spend tax dollars to educate people up till 18, now when they fuck up because daddy around enough and fuck up so bad they go to jail, we invest more $$ in them?

how about instead of investing in fuck ups we use that money and give more scholarships to people with promise to become doctors n shit?

 

[Freakmidd]

He's in the same group as his niece...taking illegal drugs and then having the audacity to talk about convicts taking accountability and following laws. This guy is a fucking clown and it would be some ironic justice if his holier than thou ass got busted and had to pay the price for his crimes against humanity.

When a guy like this goes down, he takes his supplier and anyone else he can point at with him.

 

[phenominal34]

100 rapists and 100 pedophiles use this excuse too

but, but, but, my daddy wasn't around I grew up poor, so I kidnapped a kid and raped him

excuses

its hard to get locked up in jail you have to either be really stupid or try

Thank you !!!!! Finally someone who gets it [emoji1319][emoji1319][emoji1319][emoji1319]

 

[phenominal34]

so we already spend tax dollars to educate people up till 18, now when they fuck up because daddy around enough and fuck up so bad they go to jail, we invest more $$ in them?

how about instead of investing in fuck ups we use that money and give more scholarships to people with promise to become doctors n shit?

Again .... [emoji1319][emoji1319][emoji1319][emoji1319][emoji1303][emoji1303][emoji1303][emoji1303]

 

[Sampei]

Bullshit, if you grew in a poor neighborhood, from a very poor family etc you are more likely to end up in jail. This is fucking statistic, you retards.

It's not opinion! It's like saying: most of the crimes are done by black ppl. Ok, it could be true but you need to dig deeper. Do you know that black veterans after world war 2 were denied billions of American dollars that were there to help military personnel coming back from ww2 in settling down and getting back to a normal life? There were facilitated loans, money and many other benefit that were NEVER given to them. You know what this created? A massive poverty in the black community, what do you think poverty brings? Crime.
What do you think no education brings? Crime. Let's not forget black ppl weren't allowed to enter or get served in many places, the schools that they had were below national.standard and considered the shit of the shit. They weren't even allowed into sports.

You had segregation until 1964 for fuck sake!

So yeah black ppl are a big fucking pain in the ass in America but it's not like because they are genetically bad or born evil... Same as many white ppl..in the end the problem is not the colour of your skin (it is but it shouldn't be), the problem is ignorance, poverty, no education, and laws that punish and destroy ppl life without reforming, because no one give a fuck.


And btw abide to society and it's rules? Yeah sure when those rules make sense..if it wasn't for great human beings that challenged the rules of society we would still be leaving under kings emperor and you could be born a slave.

So why don't you all fuck off out of here?

"I, as a responsible adult human being, will never concede the power to anyone to regulate my choice of what I put into my body, or where I go with my mind. From the skin inwards is my jurisdiction, is it not? I choose what may or may not cross that border. Here I am the Customs Agent. I am the Coast guard. I am the sole legal and spiritual government of this territory, and only the laws I choose to enact within myself are applicable"


"To demand that a person pee in a cup whenever you wish him to, without a documented reason to suspect that he has been using an illegal drug, is intolerable in our republic. You are saying to him, "I wonder if you are not behaving in a way that I approve of. Convince me that you indeed are. Outrageous. Intolerable.

 

[rfan2020]

Bullshit, if you grew in a poor neighborhood, from a very poor family etc you are more likely to end up in jail. This is fucking statistic, you retards.

It's not opinion! It's like saying: most of the crimes are done by black ppl. Ok, it could be true but you need to dig deeper. Do you know that black veterans after world war 2 were denied billions of American dollars that were there to help military personnel coming back from ww2 in settling down and getting back to a normal life? There were facilitated loans, money and many other benefit that were NEVER given to them. You know what this created? A massive poverty in the black community, what do you think poverty brings? Crime.
What do you think no education brings? Crime. Let's not forget black ppl weren't allowed to enter or get served in many places, the schools that they had were below national.standard and considered the shit of the shit. They weren't even allowed into sports.

You had segregation until 1964 for fuck sake!

So yeah black ppl are a big fucking pain in the ass in America but it's not like because they are genetically bad or born evil... Same as many white ppl..in the end the problem is not the colour of your skin (it is but it shouldn't be), the problem is ignorance, poverty, no education, and laws that punish and destroy ppl life without reforming, because no one give a fuck.


And btw abide to society and it's rules? Yeah sure when those rules make sense..if it wasn't for great human beings that challenged the rules of society we would still be leaving under kings emperor and you could be born a slave.

So why don't you all fuck off out of here?

"I, as a responsible adult human being, will never concede the power to anyone to regulate my choice of what I put into my body, or where I go with my mind. From the skin inwards is my jurisdiction, is it not? I choose what may or may not cross that border. Here I am the Customs Agent. I am the Coast guard. I am the sole legal and spiritual government of this territory, and only the laws I choose to enact within myself are applicable"


"To demand that a person pee in a cup whenever you wish him to, without a documented reason to suspect that he has been using an illegal drug, is intolerable in our republic. You are saying to him, "I wonder if you are not behaving in a way that I approve of. Convince me that you indeed are. Outrageous. Intolerable.

between reading the Huffington post and VOX, where do you find time to workout? LOL

" I grew up in poverty, so when I commit crime, its not actually my fault. oh, and I am oppressed."

how about another

"I grew up without a father, therefore I became a crack addict, it wasn't my fault"

In summary, you spew garbage and only an idiot would believe what you wrote. People are responsible for their choices. Intelligent people don't give a shit or have sympathy for your past our your ancestors past 200 years ago, I mean, we rally couldn't care less. What you and anyone's does is your choice. I use your woe is me excuses as toilet paper and wipe my ass

 

[cochino]

between reading the Huffington post and VOX, where do you find time to workout? LOL

" I grew up in poverty, so when I commit crime, its not actually my fault. oh, and I am oppressed."

how about another

"I grew up without a father, therefore I became a crack addict, it wasn't my fault"

In summary, you spew garbage and only an idiot would believe what you wrote. People are responsible for their choices. Intelligent people don't give a shit or have sympathy for your past our your ancestors past 200 years ago, I mean, we rally couldn't care less. What you and anyone's does is your choice. I use your woe is me excuses as toilet paper and wipe my ass

Actually he is talking about recent history. I will add to what @Sampei said. In the 60's under the LBJ administration our government threw money at the black people to appease them instead of actually educating and giving them a chance.
One parent families skyrocketed in this time period because mothers were paid based on the number of children they had as long as the father wasn't around.
Thats not giving those children much of a chance to succeed.

 

[Regular Joe]

between reading the Huffington post and VOX, where do you find time to workout? LOL

" I grew up in poverty, so when I commit crime, its not actually my fault. oh, and I am oppressed."

how about another

"I grew up without a father, therefore I became a crack addict, it wasn't my fault"

In summary, you spew garbage and only an idiot would believe what you wrote. People are responsible for their choices. Intelligent people don't give a shit or have sympathy for your past our your ancestors past 200 years ago, I mean, we rally couldn't care less. What you and anyone's does is your choice. I use your woe is me excuses as toilet paper and wipe my ass

Is english your first language?

 

[Infidel141]

They shouldn’t get shit at all but 3 terrible meals and a cot. That’s it, that’s why you have repeat offenders and so much crime because most of them have it better inside and don’t mind going back. This world never ceases to amaze me.

There he is, found the dumbest fucking person on here! Do you have any idea the percentage of citizens incarcerated that are non-violent crimes? (Rhetorical question) because obviously you're a smoothbrained authoritarian boot licker. Kindly blow your brains out

 

[Infidel141]

You guys ever check out Nordic prisons?

Their reform rate is crazy good.

They do things like have a "Grocery store" on the block.. where inmates have to use their allotted credits to buy and cook their own food.
Teaching them the basics of self worth and performance.

I've never done time,
I did t understand how little some of these guys were taught by their parents and families until I starting hiring ex cons and talking to them.
Sometimes not even the fucking basics.

Had a hilarious moment 4 years ago in my crew cab, had 4 guys with me... all talking about their stints.
I couldnt stop laughing, as I was the only guy on the crew who had never done been on the block
They were great guys, hard workers.

Because they got a shot, in that truck I had 2 murderers, but they got paid full union wages
They were "Write offs" to society... but right now they're both well respected foremen in different companies.
I still keep up with those guys, they're doing well.

Go figure, when you give a HUMAN an opportunity and dont treat them like shit... they do well

Who would have thought....

Union strong, brother!

 

[Infidel141]

I’ve never been locked up

I can tell 75% of this thread are ex cons and because of that feel the need to stick up for the worlds scum. It’s ok, that’s why the whole help them reform shit is bullshit. Reform yourself or chug a gallon of bleach. You don’t bring any good to this world.

Never been locked up. OEF 11b spent my 21st birthday on patrol in afghanistan, never been arrested, no record other than speeding tickets. I agree with these "Cons" you have not the slightest inkling of what freedom is. Are you angry at something? Maybe you should drop some lsd and chill the fuck out.

So do you use steroids? Are you immune from going to prison for steroids?

He must think if he's a cuck for big gov, profit for prisons he won't have to go

so we already spend tax dollars to educate people up till 18, now when they fuck up because daddy around enough and fuck up so bad they go to jail, we invest more $$ in them?

how about instead of investing in fuck ups we use that money and give more scholarships to people with promise to become doctors n shit?

How about we stop spending trillions of dollars on shit that absolutely doesn't benefit us as a society, and invest in everybody as a whole.

 

[StorGuillermoKardamo]

Healthy inmates cost less than sickly inmates. Beyond that, good folk like @Infidel141 and @Silentlemon1011 have already covered anything else that could be or needs to be said. If you get it, you get it. People like @rfan2020 won't get it unless/until their ignorance of how easy it actually is to end up a criminal, especially a non-violent, non-distructive criminal because they told something to the wrong person.

You guys (rffan and the other cunt) really think everyone who did a stint for possession is a fuck up not worthy of another shot? Y'all are on a fucking steroid harm reduction forum. Chances are, if you live in the USA, you're already a felon in your state - you just don't know it yet/haven't been caught. Possession of anabolic steroids is a felony in most states, if you weren't aware. So you're, in fact, pretty much the same as any other non-violent, non-distructive offender. Except you're ignorant of that fact. Willful ignorance is one of the more vile failures of man.

 

[Sampei]

Problem is majority of ppl are like rfancunts. This is why I hope I'll die watching a nuclear holocaust destroying the human race. We don't really deserve to live. We are too vile as a whole entity.
Ppl srsly disgust me, the anger they have towards eachother, makes me puke.

 

[KDog77]

As someone who was in and out the first 25 years of my life I understand most of y'all's points of view, except you guys saying murderers are fine guys too. I say everyone should have a shot at rehab except pedos and killers because the ppl that were the victims damn sure didint get a fair shot. There are exceptions to the rule but for the most part screw pedos and killers throw them underground.