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Simec rip off (until further notice)
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Eman
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Appreciate it. I have no hard feelings. I think it's important to pick your battles though.
@weighted chinup buddy I agree, but you just made my point. They already knew about the upcoming delays and told nobody! Not even Luca. They said 3 weeks. It doesn't mean and I'm not saying it means their paid off as an entire entity or at all. Why didn't they say " it will be at least 3 months, we're moving, have a months vacation and are seriously backed up,?" Not to hard right? If I told the 19000 members who voted me in to office 3 weeks, and they found out I knew about already planned delays, I would have lost my job. I know it's not beans to the business they do, but you used me as a reference to owning a business and it sounded good to me...
Simec is needed for harm reduction and honestly believe that whole heart, but come on, Pcom uses them as a crutch with everything. We can accept blood work from a source if it's good, but if it's bad it's off to Simec? When did sources who we know don't give 2 shits about us get off on easy street? Because a few people tried to scam a 45 dollar vial of gear? I hate all scammers BTW! Can't be that bad if Pcom is willing to spend hundreds at Simec. The source getting off on easy street isn't right. Members have to stop their cycle early which isn't the best harm reduction to our members, Luca is still out his gear and money and Pcom is still skating in the Icecapades. If it's bad, or Simec finds one vial bad, will the entire batch be tested or thrown out? That's the safest thing to do, because we have no idea if any other vials in that batch are bad correct? Why have we as a community, not tried to set up a standard to better take care of our brothers and sisters in this event? I don't know the answer to that, but there has to be a way.
I want to apologize if this comes across aggressive. I promise it's not meant to be. I've admitted in the past I have a bad habit of using broad brush strokes and making it seem that way. I do respect your opinions WC!
Simec is needed for harm reduction and honestly believe that whole heart, but come on, Pcom uses them as a crutch with everything. We can accept blood work from a source if it's good, but if it's bad it's off to Simec? When did sources who we know don't give 2 shits about us get off on easy street? Because a few people tried to scam a 45 dollar vial of gear? I hate all scammers BTW! Can't be that bad if Pcom is willing to spend hundreds at Simec. The source getting off on easy street isn't right. Members have to stop their cycle early which isn't the best harm reduction to our members, Luca is still out his gear and money and Pcom is still skating in the Icecapades. If it's bad, or Simec finds one vial bad, will the entire batch be tested or thrown out? That's the safest thing to do, because we have no idea if any other vials in that batch are bad correct? Why have we as a community, not tried to set up a standard to better take care of our brothers and sisters in this event? I don't know the answer to that, but there has to be a way.
I want to apologize if this comes across aggressive. I promise it's not meant to be. I've admitted in the past I have a bad habit of using broad brush strokes and making it seem that way. I do respect your opinions WC!
CdnGuy
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Cool thanks man. As for picking battles yes it is important. I obviously look like a big shit disturber here. My questioning is only out of concern in the end. Yes it's speculation as of right now. I'm just looking at these events in a broader picture. I hope Luca get's closure soon and I'm proven wrong.
If you have any experience working with companies in high-context societies/countries, then this is not at all surprising. If not, it is incredibly frustrating and understandably so.
After working with such companies, you realize that they don't necessarily volunteer information that people in low-context societies consider relevant. That means the customer is expected to ask the right questions to get this information.
I think news of SIMEC's move was first discussed in May and maybe earlier. If you wanted to know how this would impact operations, you needed to ask specifically about this. Everyone in Europe (but not necessarily people outside of Europe) knows that some companies may shutdown partially or completely for a few to several weeks in the summer for vacations. If you want to know if a specific company will be short-staffed for summer vacation, you needed to ask specifically about this. If you want to know if testing will be delayed because the standard is not in stock, then you need to ask specifically about this. If you want to know if your compound is scheduled for the rotation next week or six weeks from now, you need to ask.
This is not a justification of SIMEC's customer service. This is just an observation. It may be a cultural difference that may be incompatible with most Americans' idea of good customer service. Many in low-context societies are spoon fed so much information they don't even bother to try and read context anymore.
After working with SIMEC for over a year now, none of this is surprising anymore. AnabolicLab planned accordingly and didn't submit any samples in June or July because we anticipated delays. This was not because SIMEC explicitly told us. It is because we learned to ask the right questions.
One thing you gotta remember above all is WC and I are NOT your enemies man. If I didn't like you I would have approached this in a totally different manner and been much more aggressive.
- "Loyalty means I'm down with you whether you're right or wrong but I will tell you when you're wrong and help you get it right"
My job always over promises and under delivers on deadlines. We tell a customer we require a 6-8wk lead time and 12wks later we're still not ready for them. We're also talking orders of a lot more than the 600$ Or so spent here. You think Luca is their only customer? You say the paying member of Meso like that actually means something to Simec. They're not at Meso's beck and call dude. We're talking a multi million dollar a year business and you'd have us believe they should care more about a $600 Meso order? Not to discredit Luca's selflessness, but that's not even a drop in the bucket to them.
I can respect that, but what I can't get past is letting Pcom continue to do buisness Like nothing happened. Let's say for just a second it's bad. Their still selling this to our community right now! while this community sits and waits. While Luca is out his gear and money. While Pcom could "potentially" be selling gear from the same batch that could or could not be bad. Simec is only at fault for not disclosing their delays and not being truthful about it. Everyone knew about the warehouse moving and month vacation when Luca sent his money in, but waited months to tell him. Just grow some balls and say it will be longer than usual. Where is our duty being fulfilled to this community by sitting on our hands and letting a source run the show on something that's not supposed to be a source board? They have had vials test over and under and sold every last vial left in that batch. Tell me your 100% sure the rest of the vials were good. No analytical talk, show me Simec test where the rest of the batch tested good. You can't. They were sold even tho a vial tested bad and no way to know if there were anymore bad vials left. How is that harm reduction saying ok, bad vial, we adjusted its all good. What about the thousands of vial left from the batch that had a bad vial?
My opinion, Simec dropped that ball saying 3 weeks and dragging Luca along and not coming clean about the warehouse move, or the month long vacation.
We are dropping the ball letting a source run the show on a member run community. Until they test every last vial from a batch that had a vial test bad, we're letting the source harm our community. If you can show me where Simic tested every last vial from the batch that tested bad, there is the potential to harm our community.
Love talking with you my friend. I'm not mad at all and it wouldn't be the first time you set me straight. Just show me the Simec results for the rest of the batch as well.
@Millard Baker im pretty sure Luca asked once a week if not more about turn around time. As a matter of fact, they stopped replying. You sir are much more experienced in this game, but yes, I've done business with other countries over the past 18 years for the Auto industry. The problem and difference is there's only one Simec and Anabolic Lab. There's thousands of Auto suppliers, so we could get a new one in 10 minutes. Like supply and demand correct? To much demand from us, for Siec alone to keep up with. Your program is working if that's the case. I would never argue your experience MB. I just want to remind you, you did tell me everyone should be held accountable for their wrong doings. You didn't name a particular source, person, or member, so I'm not saying you accused anyone.
CdnGuy
New Member
@weighted chinup want to clarify and explain the reason why you felt I was avoiding your question on AL program. Tbh I didn't want to talk publicly about my personal exchanges with members via PM. But seeing as people could mistake my actions it needs to be said. Since day 1 any of my questioning in regards to this matter and Simec has been discussed Via PM with @Millard Baker. At least a few times I've PM'ED MB explaining my thought process and genuine intentions as to why. Hence today I didn't feel the need to publicly talk about it. But I respect you and all members here so this needed to be explained. Good night
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@CdnGuy I have no doubt of your sincerity when you say you support and trust AnabolicLab. Unfortunately, @weighted chinup is right - you can't accuse SIMEC of corruption in an attempt to undermine Pharmacom without, intentionally or unintentionally, undermining other clients who rely on SIMEC's test results.
Your issues with Pharmacom have nothing to do with the legitimacy of SIMEC as an accredited analytical testing facility and the independent test results it releases. The strategy of attacking SIMEC as a way of discrediting Pharmacom could also negatively affect the perception of the test results commissioned by other SIMEC clients. It is unavoidable.
You want to prevent someone from selling something BEFORE proof has been returned? When an auto manufacturer gets wind there's an issue with a car's braking system for example, they don't stop selling the car or send out recalls UNTIL it's proven there's an issue. How else you think they could have recalls well into the millions? You're worrying about a problem that as of yet doesn't exist. Once you prove the problem does indeed exist then you can tell the source they have to recall that entire batch, issue refunds or replacements, etc.
Luca knows exactly what he's doing. His only complaint as of now seems to be the wait time for Simec. If he has any other issues allow him the respect of bringing them up himself. Luca offered to put up his gear and his money for testing after pharmacom offered to pay for the testing. It was a conscious and educated decision on his part.
Potentially is the key word. Until you have proof there's not much to be said about it I'm afraid.
Millard explained to you about Simec. I have family in Europe. I know how Europeans differ from us in the states. It's par for the course for them in an industry that already suffers from delays as WeightedChinup stated. Even in the US they suffer from similar delays.
You as a business owner would do something to drive away business from your company?
How is the source running the show? Luca made his own educated decisions and wasn't forced into anything.
I can't show you the rest of the batch tested good just like you can't show me it tested bad. Most of their results have been within tolerance. A few maybe outside of it but nothing all that surprising considering it's not a GMP certified or FDA approved facility. I personally haven't seen anything 100% bunk nor something even 50% dosed to label claims. If you want guarantees about your product buy from a pharmacy. You know what you're possibly getting yourself into by buying an illegal, schedule III, injectable drug from an underground lab.
Millard's harm reduction program cannot exert any influence upon a source. He doesn't have that power nor was it ever his aim to have the power. Harm reduction works by providing random independent testing for the end user to make an informed decision. That's where it starts and ends. You can't blame Millard or the source if people want to keep buying a poor product whether they've done their homework or not. The fault rests with the customer.
That's your opinion but it won't change the industry or how the Europeans do business unfortunately. Nor does it mean they're in cahoots with pharmacom.
Pharmacom isn't running anything. Luca is a grown man and making his decision on his own. There will always be powntial to harm the community. Don't be deluded into thinking you can eliminate this bc you can't. Ever. It's a risk you run buying your drugs from anything but a pharmacy. You don't want the risk? Don't buy steroids. It's that simple.
These bash threads and Millard's anabolic lab results threads have gotten thousands if not hundreds of thousands of views. Do you see a line of people waiting and asking for refunds? I surely don't. If the people don't want a refund or replacement and are happy with a product why do you care?
One thing often overlooks when people jump on the bash train/herd mentality is that they're also harming the end user. By cluttering up a thread with 10pages of useless back and forth personal insults, you hide the one post that might mean something. In this instance whose the one harming the community?
I would never blame MB and sorry if it came out that way. As far as recalls, we do it all the time. We found gas peddles sticking in 5 cars, (the American version of the Prius,) just like Simec or AL finds a bad vial, but we recalled every one built from that assembler, any using that manufactures parts and time frame involved. Hundreds of thousands of cars. Not just the 5 people who wrecked. Not to many people know, a GM and Ford 4-wheel drive has the exact same adapter ring to fit the Tranny to 4-wheel drive unit. The only difference, one is stamped Ford, the other GM. They built 45000 Chevy Trucks with Ford parts which is against the law and OSHA standards. GM didn't say to do it, the dumbass Boss did to cover his ass, so the line didn't stop. Hence my one bad egg can ruin a dozen example. The point is to stop harm before it could potentially happen. If we have a bad vial, that's the proof that batch had an issue, with one vial for sure, but who knows about the others and I for one will not trust a sources word for it knowing they have revenue to be made. Thats IF there was a bad vial. It was Luca doing this community a great service paying out of pocket. Just seems if Pcom cared for their customers the way they say, and especially after 4.5 months longer than stated TA knowing it would be longer, they should have replaced his gear and refunded the money already as an act of good business. Kinda like Luca did from the beginning. Again, JMHO
Just MHO which means shit in the grand scheme of things I should include lol I'm nobody, but a guy interested in seeing Meso grow. I've not complained about their gear quality, but their Customer Service and respect for this community is where I had my problems. I'm waiting for results, I'm not using Pcom regardless, but I am trying to help the community if I can. To set standard for this community would go a long ways to stop all of this when a vial is in question. We used to ask for bloods, with date and meso written on them. Seems we might be getting away from this. The sources sure don't accept any bloods as proof unless it makes them look good. It's consistency which is what needs to be followed IMHO I'm going to step out of this. I hope everything checks out not just for Luca, but for the customers who are taking that product now as well.
@Millard Baker im sorry sir if it seemed I was blaming you, NOT my intentions at all. Your intentions should be followed by all. @Docd187123 yiur input is always well taken from me so thank you for doing your part sir.
Everyone have a safe Holiday weekend.
Just MHO which means shit in the grand scheme of things I should include lol I'm nobody, but a guy interested in seeing Meso grow. I've not complained about their gear quality, but their Customer Service and respect for this community is where I had my problems. I'm waiting for results, I'm not using Pcom regardless, but I am trying to help the community if I can. To set standard for this community would go a long ways to stop all of this when a vial is in question. We used to ask for bloods, with date and meso written on them. Seems we might be getting away from this. The sources sure don't accept any bloods as proof unless it makes them look good. It's consistency which is what needs to be followed IMHO I'm going to step out of this. I hope everything checks out not just for Luca, but for the customers who are taking that product now as well.
@Millard Baker im sorry sir if it seemed I was blaming you, NOT my intentions at all. Your intentions should be followed by all. @Docd187123 yiur input is always well taken from me so thank you for doing your part sir.
Everyone have a safe Holiday weekend.
There's a lot to sift through in this thread but if simec was being bought off by Pharmacom, why not just send Luca results that say everything's good to go? Dragging it out with excuses seems overly complicated if they're in Pharmacom's pocket.
A long line of excuses always sucks but seems on par for a company that may quite simply be buried at the moment
A long line of excuses always sucks but seems on par for a company that may quite simply be buried at the moment
Quoting this because you're all idiots for thinking otherwise.
johnson1000
Banned
I just sent a sample to Simec, paid a pretty high dollar for shipping to get there in 5 days. Hope I didn't do all that for nothing. I was also leery on the address that Naps said to ship it to in Zofingen Switz., I looked up Simec myself and they have a totally different address in a totally different town. Don't know if it has something to do with them moving or what, I just hope it gets to the REAL Simec for testing.
Simec moved in a different place. Naps could have given You The old address... Not good lol
You might have sent it to the old address bro.
johnson1000
Banned
You see NAPS' instructions AND address they want the sample sent to, and that's where I sent it. If that is the wrong address, it would just PROVE more of their bullshit.
That's the same address I used when I sent something for testing back in April. If they just moved then yes it's probably the old address. I don't know how Switzerland works but I would think as new as the move is they would have their mail being forwarded.
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