Simec rip off (until further notice)

[CdnGuy]

All of the 'excuses' hold water from what I've seen. Breaking a column on the HPLC is a very real possibility for analytical labs and so is needing more reference standard. There are also other factors that are delaying things that Millard mentioned earlier, company changing locations, summer vacation, dramatically increased business etc.

This type of delay happens with services like this. It's not unheard of and anyone familiar with this space will tell you the same.

Very true WC but what a coincidence huh? Luca has a long list of excuses since this process began. One after another month after month. The excuses haven't stopped!

Edit- I believe it's upon the 5 month mark too boot!

 

[Dr JIM]

Dr Jim I respect your opinion. How should one look at all these excuses being used in regards to this situation? As an intelligent individual I find it to be quite insulting.

Wanna know what the UCLA lab "charges the WADA" for PED testing?

I'm told by those much more involved in the pro aspect of sports med, the cost varies from a LOW END of 2K to as much as 10k.

Millard is trying to accomplish A LOT with very LITTLE funding.

And bc analytical testing is inherently EXPENSIVE, the compromise offered on behalf of many labs for those on a more limited budget is a LONGER WAIT.

While 2-3 mos may seem excessive to many, it's not at all unusual considering the circumstances, IME.

Considering the budget constraints, what would "we" rather have the results of ONE PED assay in one week or TEN in three months?

Finally lets always remember WHY testing needs to be conducted, to ensure the safety and quality of PEDs.

. So what SHOULD matter most is not necessarily a labs "turnover time" but
it's ability to release data that is not only reproducible but also trustworthy on a consistent basis.

 

[CdnGuy]

Wanna know what the UCLA lab "charges the WADA" for PED testing?

I'm told by those much more involved in the pro aspect of sports med, the cost varies from a LOW END of 2K to as much as 10k.

Millard is trying to accomplish A LOT with very LITTLE funding.

And bc analytical testing is inherently EXPENSIVE, the compromise offered on behalf of many labs for those on a more limited budget is a LONGER WAIT.

While 2-3 mos may seem excessive to many, it's not at all unusual considering the circumstances, IME.

Considering the budget constraints, what would "we" rather have the results of ONE PED assay in one week or TEN in three months?

Appreciate the response Dr Jim but how is it relevant to my question of the many excuses & obvious stalling?

 

[Docd187123]

Very well said Doc as expected seeing as your one of the brightest members here. So please sir enlighten me why such a high respected business is producing the LAMEST excuses a 10 yr old kid could come up with ?

See below VVVVV

So do you doubt they've moved their facilities? That in and of itself can produce massive lengthy delays. Are you aware Swiss law guranatees a MINIMUM of 4wks vacation time for employees over 20yrs of age and that can be extended through contractual agreements? Do you doubt Millard's statements that his samples take 3+ months FOR ONLY HPLC testing whereas Luca added on bacterial testing AND heavy metal testing? Do you know how long it takes to get a reference sample for an accredited lab? Did you forget Luca said Simec received his sample on or around April 27? The timeline is not fishy in the least when you think about it

All of the 'excuses' hold water from what I've seen. Breaking a column on the HPLC is a very real possibility for analytical labs and so is needing more reference standard. There are also other factors that are delaying things that Millard mentioned earlier, company changing locations, summer vacation, dramatically increased business etc.

This type of delay happens with services like this. It's not unheard of and anyone familiar with this space will tell you the same.

Wanna know what the UCLA lab "charges the WADA" for PED testing?

I'm told by those much more involved in the pro aspect of sports med, the cost varies from a LOW END of 2K to as much as 10k.

Millard is trying to accomplish A LOT with very LITTLE funding.

And bc analytical testing is inherently EXPENSIVE, the compromise offered on behalf of many labs for those on a more limited budget is a LONGER WAIT.

While 2-3 mos may seem excessive to many, it's not at all unusual considering the circumstances, IME.

Considering the budget constraints, what would "we" rather have the results of ONE PED assay in one week or TEN in three months?

Finally lets always remember WHY testing needs to be conducted, to ensure the safety and quality of PEDs.

. So what SHOULD matter most is not necessarily a labs "turnover time" but
it's ability to release data that is not only reproducible but also trustworthy on a consistent basis.

 

[Docd187123]

Very true WC but what a coincidence huh? Luca has a long list of excuses since this process began. One after another month after month. The excuses haven't stopped!

Edit- I believe it's upon the 5 month mark too boot!

It's only the 4th month. There's nothing coincidental about it. Do you know how long any other samples are taking to get tests done? You really think Luca's is the only sample that's been delayed?

 

[weighted chinup]

Very true WC but what a coincidence huh? Luca has a long list of excuses since this process began. One after another month after month. The excuses haven't stopped!

Edit- I believe it's upon the 5 month mark too boot!

I don't see the coincidence but then again I didn't have my mind made up before the facts rolled in.

You seem to be suggesting that they are being shady or selective in their behavior possibly for the benefit of Pharmacom, so it would stand to reason that all test results from SIMEC are suspect, correct? Do you feel that is the case?

 

[Docd187123]

Appreciate the response Dr Jim but how is it relevant to my question of the many excuses & obvious stalling?

It perfectly answers your question. To lower the cost to the end consumer they extend the wait time for the samples. It's only stalking to you bc you already convinced yourself it is. To someone who knows the process and what it entails and the lengthy European vacations, and moving facilities, etc.....it's a perfectly reasonable wait time.

 

[Docd187123]

I don't see the coincidence but then again I didn't have my mind made up before the facts rolled in.

You seem to be suggesting that they are being shady or selective in their behavior possibly for the benefit of Pharmacom, so it would stand to reason that all test results from SIMEC are suspect, correct? Do you feel that is the case?

Meanwhile pharmacom anadrol was shown to be lower doses than claimed and pharmacom themselves posted poor results of their myostatin vaccine that was coincidentally done at Simec too. Yup, they're really being bribed by pharmacom.

 

[CdnGuy]

See below VVVVV

So do you doubt they've moved their facilities? That in and of itself can produce massive lengthy delays. Are you aware Swiss law guranatees a MINIMUM of 4wks vacation time for employees over 20yrs of age and that can be extended through contractual agreements? Do you doubt Millard's statements that his samples take 3+ months FOR ONLY HPLC testing whereas Luca added on bacterial testing AND heavy metal testing? Do you know how long it takes to get a reference sample for an accredited lab? Did you forget Luca said Simec received his sample on or around April 27? The timeline is not fishy in the least when you think about it

Still not sold Doc, but the points you state are logical . Unfortunately i just don't roll over that easy cuz I'm a stubborn dick head and don't believe the hype

 

[weighted chinup]

Meanwhile pharmacom anadrol was shown to be lower doses than claimed and pharmacom themselves posted poor results of their myostatin vaccine that was coincidentally done at Simec too. Yup, they're really being bribed by pharmacom.

I think you see already where I'm going with this. Lots of people are making similar insinuations in this thread, although I suspect everyone is going to start backtracking now. But by their logic then technically every test done with SIMEC is suspect, including AL's testing. Yet no one is making that claim despite their insinuations making such a theory a reality if true (obviously it's not true). Once again it's an example of people being selective and hypocritical - but it's ok because UGL's are the devil.

I wonder why - if they truly believed in this theory then they would be calling out every test done with SIMEC. But that's not happening, it's only being done when the subject is an unpopular UGL because everyone collectively turns off their fucking brain when it comes to that sort of thing.

 

[CdnGuy]

I don't see the coincidence but then again I didn't have my mind made up before the facts rolled in.

You seem to be suggesting that they are being shady or selective in their behavior possibly for the benefit of Pharmacom, so it would stand to reason that all test results from SIMEC are suspect, correct? Do you feel that is the case?

I wish I had all the answers to yours questions WC. I don't! What I'm going on is what is actually happen in this situation. I apologize to everyone for trying to disect what is really happening here. This has a very bad vibe for me. Yes I may be WRONG! But last I checked this is uncensored board. So my bad that I even dare question anything that looks shady . Won't happen again I see what's up.

 

[weighted chinup]

So my bad that I even dare question anything that looks shady . Won't happen again I see what's up.

Nice save.

For a guy who calls out everyone and everything you sure are shying away from even a little bit of debate.

You've let your absurd conspiracy run rampant in this thread for how many pages and you're going to use that bullshit excuse as a cop out?

Anyone can call someone a scammer or a shill but the guys whose words actually have impact are the ones who can argue their point convincingly and don't shy away from the debate.

 

[CdnGuy]

Nice save.

For a guy who calls out everyone and everything you sure are shying away from even a little bit of debate.

You've let your absurd conspiracy run rampant in this thread for how many pages and you're going to use that bullshit excuse as a cop out?

Anyone can call someone a scammer or a shill but the guys whose words actually have impact are the ones who can argue their point convincingly and don't shy away from the debate.

Cop out and debate what? lol You know how I feel WC.....

 

[weighted chinup]

Cop out and debate what? lol You know how I feel WC.....

You know exactly what I mean. If what you have been suggesting through this entire thread is true, then aren't all tests done with SIMEC suspect? Bc if they are being selective with even 1 test then ALL of them would be considered suspect.

Why don't you be consistent and say all the tests are suspect, your theory would support that if true. Why only apply it to the UGL's you happen to dislike?

You don't see the hypocritical behavior there?

 

[CdnGuy]

You know exactly what I mean. If what you have been suggesting through this entire thread is true, then aren't all tests done with SIMEC suspect? Bc if they are being selective with even 1 test then ALL of them would be considered suspect.

Why don't you be consistent and say all the tests are suspect, your theory would support that if true. Why only apply it to the UGL's you happen to dislike?

You don't see the hypocritical behavior there?

Do me a favour and a little respect WC don't go and start putting words in my mouth sir! Everything I have commented on is from the ACTUAL EVENTS that have occurred here!!!!!!! MB'S program I have no examples to go by and don't know the going on's. What I'm talking about right now, is this experience right here and all the excuses.

 

[Dr JIM]

I wish I had all the answers to yours questions WC. I don't! What I'm going on is what is actually happen in this situation. I apologize to everyone for trying to disect what is really happening here. This has a very bad vibe for me. Yes I may be WRONG! But last I checked this is uncensored board. So my bad that I even dare question anything that looks shady . Won't happen again I see what's up.

Your questions and doubt are not WO merit IMO.

Are there other issues with SIMEC sure, yet some are to be expected with a lab working under the constraints imposed federal regulators.

As for the other "issues" (exclusive of what appears to be a disproportionate amount of Pharmacon testing) most I suspect could be remedied with LARGE SUMS OF MONEY!

Nonetheless the fact you, myself or anyone else are "allowed" to vent such objections on Meso speaks volumes for Millard and the UNCENSORED nature of this board!

 

[weighted chinup]

Don't you me a favour and a little respect WC don't go and start putting words in my mouth sir! Everything I have commented on is for the ACTUAL EVENTS that have occurred here!!!!!!! MB'S program I have no examples or knowing of the going on's. What I'm talking about right now, is this experience right here and all the excuses.

You don't need any specific examples of MB's program.

You are suggesting that SIMEC is being selective.

The program uses SIMEC.

Therefore.....

Unless you DON'T think that's the case and it's only true when the outcome might be favorable for a UGL.

I called you hypocritical with how you're applying your conspiracy theory. I'm not putting words in your mouth friend, if the lab is being suspect like you suggest then wouldn't you agree that all their test results are suspect (even if it's just 1 example, that would effect their credibility, right)?

You're avoiding answering this one and it's no wonder.

 

[CdnGuy]

WC when have you ever seen me avoid anything here? lol Just because MB uses Simec doesn't mean he would be aware if Simec was doing side deals with outside businesses. So again WC I am speaking only on the facts that are currently in front of us right now.

 

[weighted chinup]

WC when have you ever seen me avoid anything here? lol Just because MB uses Simec doesn't mean he would be aware if Simec was doing side deals with outside businesses. So again WC I am speaking only on the facts that are currently in front of us right now.

You're still avoiding it.

You are suggesting that SIMEC is being selective or shady. You've been suggesting it throughout the whole thread so it's pretty clear you feel this is the case.

Do you not feel that this would affect the credibility of ALL their tests, not just the ones that are favorable for Pharmacom, but ALL tests done by SIMEC?

 

[CdnGuy]

Well seeing as PC has Meso on lock no it wouldn't surprise me WC!