Simec rip off (until further notice)

[Docd187123]

It's interesting you say that because that is what I said in the begining for pcom to reimburse the garbage with new stable and clean vials or give refund. ...also, testing is very expensive and the typical test that gets done and posted is one that only shows 2 things... it confirms that the label is matching with at least some portion of the contents in the vial, so they ID it as well as the concentration - dose present in a ml of that particular compound... that's it. It won't test for metals which typically isn't really needed in steroid testing. (I'll have to find the notes from SIMEC responses). Also, that basic test that ranges from 300-600 euros won't show you anything else in that vial without doing a mass spec test which typically runs 5000-10000 euros, ohh and SIMEC doesn't have the equipment to perform mass spec testing... and I highly doubt anyone especially pharmacom forks that out each time one of theirs got tested. And this is why pcom are having a field day and laughing because if those contaminated vials get tested, all it will confirm is that label and compound present matches at this concentration...

So I don't think it's SIMEC wrong doing, but the lab claiming his shit is perfect knowing full well that the mass spec wasn't done to prove what was in those vials and they are supposedly clean! Bull[emoji90]

As for anabolic lab, I think they are safe as they, I assume, send gear that is stable and clear for testing and only need to prove the compound presence and what dose per ml it is and if the label matches.

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After further homework, I have found that Luca did indeed pay for heavy metal testing (ICP-OES) and microbial testing (TAMC and TYMC testing). According to the United States Pharmacopia, the USP <61> test , also called the Microbial Enumerations Test, is similar to the aerobic plate count assay and is comprised of both TAMC and TYMC tests. The PURPOSE of the USP <61> test, the one Luca paid for, is to determine if the sample is contaminated with either bacteria or fungus.

I also saw the Simec email you're referring to from the other board you're on. In this email Simec said they didn't have the equipment needed to perform an organic impurity test which is an HPLC-MS. "According to the definition given by the International Conference on Harmonization (ICH) of Technical Requirements for Registration of Pharmaceuticals for Human Use, impurity is any component of a substance for pharmaceutical use that is not the chemical entity defined as the substance." This test doesn't test for microbes but impurities which are two different things.

It seems safe to say that Luca indeed chose the right tests for this situation, Simec does indeed have the capability to test for bacteria and fungus, these tests don't cost 5000+ Euros (the organic impurity test does), and once Luca posts his results we will finally have an answer to this problem once and for all.

I should have added that TAMC stands for Total Aerobic Microbial Count and TYMC stands for Total Yeas and Molds Count.

 

[Geterdun]

Simec told him 3 weeks I think!

 

[Millard]

It's been 4 months and still nothing..? What is the average return when anabolic lab or nap's sends them samples.That's what I would like to know is 4 month's the norm or is Luca getting the go round.

Luca got extra tests done so comparing them to Anabolic Lab or Naps would be pointless unless they performed all the same tests.

The last test report AnabolicLab received from SIMEC took over 3 months and that was only HPLC testing for a single compound. Microbiological and heavy metal testing would have taken even longer especially since heavy metal testing is outsourced to another laboratory.

I am surprised that anyone is giving the SIMEC conspiracy theories serious consideration. Given all the publicity from AnabolicLab, SIMEC is likely conducting more steroid analytics than ever before this year. In addition, they've relocated their operations to another city this summer. And don't forget the customary 4-6 week European summer vacations. Of course, they are going to be behind schedule.

I like fast results as much as the next person but I'm not going to abandon rational explanations in favor of fanciful stories as a way to express my disappointment.

 

[Docd187123]

The last test report AnabolicLab received from SIMEC took over 3 months and that was only HPLC testing for a single compound. Microbiological and heavy metal testing would have taken even longer especially since heavy metal testing is outsourced to another laboratory.

I am surprised that anyone is giving the SIMEC conspiracy theories serious consideration. Given all the publicity from AnabolicLab, SIMEC is likely conducting more steroid analytics than ever before this year. In addition, they've relocated their operations to another city this summer. And don't forget the customary 4-6 week European summer vacations. Of course, they are going to be behind schedule.

I like fast results as much as the next person but I'm not going to abandon rational explanations in favor of fanciful stories as a way to express my disappointment.

My point exactly. People are forgetting this is an accredited testing facility and must jump throu pretty extensive hoops to get and maintain accreditation and it's essential to their business. They're not going to throw it away to help an UGL lab out. People need to think before they reply....

 

[lucabratzi]

Not sure if this is letting out tmi but here's what was being tested.

 

[Docd187123]

Not sure if this is letting out tmi but here's what was being tested.

Not TMI at all and once again, your selflessness is something to be highlighted.

 

[lucabratzi]

Wanted to let everyone know and make it clear this npp came from Frank. NOT Darius.

In fact Darius recently came forward and offered to help w reimbursing for the test. He had nothing to gain from this but still wanted to help me cover expenses.

I never started this for free gear or anything so I don't want people thinkin I'm doing I'm doing this for any other reason besides getting the truth. Whether it's positive or negative.

 

[PHL Official]

Wanted to let everyone know and make it clear this npp came from Frank. NOT Darius.

In fact Darius recently came forward and offered to help w reimbursing for the test. He had nothing to gain from this but still wanted to help me cover expenses.

I never started this for free gear or anything so I don't want people thinkin I'm doing I'm doing this for any other reason besides getting the truth. Whether it's positive or negative.

Simec moved recently, it took some weeks. now they are at new address and if i remember right they have more columns to perform tests, so they shall manage it faster from now. theoretically.
as for compensation, this is not a question at all, we compensate all expenses to you.

 

[Geterdun]

@Millard Baker Im not disagreeing with you. I guess I don't understand why Simec just doesn't tell people 4 months then. If it takes a year, it's perfectly fine. To tell someone 3 weeks, knowing about vacations, testing time and moving facilities doesn't do anyone any good. I think testing is great and we need it. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but 16 weeks was not the answer given by Simec when asked how long. If Simec would have said 6 weeks and the test was back in 6 weeks, with the best results we could want, clean safe product, do you think this would have blown up so big?

I should state there are other factors that blew this up as well, not related to Simec.

 

[Geterdun]

@lucabratzi from the very start, you made it clear by paying out of pocket this was about doing the right thing for the community.

 

[Eman]

this is an accredited testing facility

Don't be fooled!

 

[Seven]

Don't be fooled!

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[Docd187123]

@Millard Baker Im not disagreeing with you. I guess I don't understand why Simec just doesn't tell people 4 months then. If it takes a year, it's perfectly fine. To tell someone 3 weeks, knowing about vacations, testing time and moving facilities doesn't do anyone any good. I think testing is great and we need it. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but 16 weeks was not the answer given by Simec when asked how long. If Simec would have said 6 weeks and the test was back in 6 weeks, with the best results we could want, clean safe product, do you think this would have blown up so big?

I should state there are other factors that blew this up as well, not related to Simec.

Bc they took longer than they stated it now means they're up to no good? Bc that's what ppl are implying.

 

[Geterdun]

Bc they took longer than they stated it now means they're up to no good? Bc that's what ppl are implying.

No, that's not what I'm implying at all. What I'm saying is a lot of this could have been avoided and will now be avoided in the future. If Simec would have given more accurate deadlines, instead of stringing Luca along for 13 weeks longer than stated, it would have been one less issue to debate about. (Notice I said debate and not argue)
Now that this happened and there was a big deal made of it, we now know that Simec may be off on their estimation for returned results.

 

[Bill Bixcer]

Pharmacom more famous last words of bullshit... it's pretty obvious you are laughing at your customers that are filling your pockets with thousands of dollars of their hard earned cash every day so you can spend your weekends on a beach in tropical places.

You're a typical bullshitter... good at first till you establish a reputation and now inconsistent with shitty products that mysteriously go missing when sent to your preferred SIMEC for testing. Seen this too many times. And your other bullshit reps claiming your batches are so huge at one time, how in the hell do you go from one report showing such underdosing than the next is even more or slightly less or close to proper.... all having the same batch numbers. You just enjoy playing dirty and unfortunately SIMEC is stuck in the middle as they may or may not be a solid testing resource.

I find it most ironic of all, the simple fact that all other tests that have been sent from other members that weren't your product have already been tested and sent back.... meanwhile Luca is STILL waiting on an answer 4 months later. I agree with @CdnGuy that this definitely smells fishy! And you don't have to be a genius to figure it out.

I had very little respect for Pcom after seeing all the problems with their products on various boards (not just here) and how they deal with conflict towards their customers, they are full of shit and whatever this test comes back as, I will not believe it!

And those that want to give me hell for this post, just suck it. I don't care to be pretending that Pcom is the best shit around, cause it isn't... just like you can go read the Canadian boards that are influenced by Canadian labs and claim they are the best where in reality, most of them just buy their ratings. So take this however you wish, it's my opinion and it will never change. I'd rather support small reputable proven true UGLS that have a solid record than these guys. AND I will continue calling out bullshit on all that I feel the need, just I have done so to several others not just Pcom.

@lucabratzi truly hope things will work out and someone at Pcom will somehow make things right for you... in this case, refund would be best IMO... not only you lost out on gear and your cycle but a lot of hard earned cash to receive no responses and just a runaround with bullshit excuses.

You know what??? I really like you woman!!! I'm new to this online steroid forum stuff really....and still learning how to deal with these type of issues. But honestly it's not hard to see something may be up. And a lot of the "defenders" of pharmacom seem to willing to ignore the arguments aforementioned. A lot of people don't want to believe MY argument with pharmacom....and I get it. But I can honestly say, and with a pretty damn sensible understanding of steroids and how they feel when coarsing thru the system, that my batch of oils....was garbage. On my daughter I swear this. Absolute shit....
Anyways to bad we couldn't meet in real life....I have a feeling we would get along wonderfully in all sorts of ways
------<--@x12

 

[AnTabolic73]

You know what??? I really like you woman!!! I'm new to this online steroid forum stuff really....and still learning how to deal with these type of issues. But honestly it's not hard to see something may be up. And a lot of the "defenders" of pharmacom seem to willing to ignore the arguments aforementioned. A lot of people don't want to believe MY argument with pharmacom....and I get it. But I can honestly say, and with a pretty damn sensible understanding of steroids and how they feel when coarsing thru the system, that my batch of oils....was garbage. On my daughter I swear this. Absolute shit....
Anyways to bad we couldn't meet in real life....I have a feeling we would get along wonderfully in all sorts of ways
------<--@x12

so why did you abandon your thread? and never get bloodwork?

 

[Millard]

I should state there are other factors that blew this up as well, not related to Simec.

There are things not related to SIMEC. And things related to SIMEC. But a different narrative has emerged that somehow weaves it all together in some grand conspiracy.

Bc they took longer than they stated it now means they're up to no good? Bc that's what ppl are implying.

The stories have certainly evolved into something more than merely a customer service issue.

No, that's not what I'm implying at all. What I'm saying is a lot of this could have been avoided and will now be avoided in the future. If Simec would have given more accurate deadlines, instead of stringing Luca along for 13 weeks longer than stated, it would have been one less issue to debate about. (Notice I said debate and not argue)
Now that this happened and there was a big deal made of it, we now know that Simec may be off on their estimation for returned results.

All parties should be held accountable for their respective issues whatever they may be. Accusing them of being involved in a grand conspiracy (or blaming them for giving rise to such a conspiracy) goes well beyond this.

 

[Sampei]

We Should ask GG! She has her eyes opennnnnnnn

 

[weighted chinup]

UGL's don't have the capacity or clout to bribe or coerce anyone of value or significance. Reps and people on the boards can be bribed with a couple vials of prop, bribing a testing facility is not even within the realm of feasibility.

Don't buy into the theory that these guys are these extremely crafty and sophisticated criminals outside of their small slice of the black market, they ain't bribing nobody. Look what happens when even the big labs get ripped off or screwed over by people in their own operation. They can't even do anything about that. No, all they can do is complain about it on the boards. No actual consequences for the people who screwed them over, so no way they are responsible for bribing facilities audited by the US FDA.

That shit requires some next level suspension of disbelief to buy into, and this is coming from someone who is a fan of alien abduction stories.

 

[Bill Bixcer]

so why did you abandon your thread? and never get bloodwork?

I haven't completely abandoned it. I just recently got ripped off again from another source (didn't even receive a package) I still am in search of better gear. If I was more wealthy I would throw around 100 dollar bills on bloodwork as if it was nothing for the betterment of you all. I would like to help the community....Why don't you pay for my bloodwork pal?? I could care less if you believe me at this point buttercup. I know what I got for gear and I'd rather spend more money on real shit than bloods to ease your mind. Believe me or don't. This has been a broadcast from your friendly neighborhood SHILL Bill bixcer. Goodnight peaches.