Simec rip off (until further notice)

[Sampei]

Because he wouldn't be as much fun to pick on about it as you are.

Fair enough

 

[GearGodess]

Sure you're the best.
Have to go sucking some cock, brb!

You've gotten good at sucking many... although your skills need to improve. ..

You're a F@#$ING hypocrite Sampei, I at least have the decency to be honest unlike you.

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[Geterdun]

I hate waking up late! I miss all the blow by blow, no pun intended, as it happened.

 

[Sampei]

You've gotten good at sucking many... although your skills need to improve. ..

You're a F@#$ING hypocrite Sampei, I at least have the decency to be honest unlike you.

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Please continue

 

[MindlessWork]

@GearGodess I think @Sampei is just baiting you

 

[Sampei]

@GearGodess I think @Sampei is just baiting you

Shit I have liked two posts of mindless in 24hr. Something is wrong here!

Don't know mindless... Baiting it's too big of a word, it does apply to the big predator. Here is more shooting the Red Cross I would say.

 

[manafest]

senseless prattle the new normal in any topic these days online...

 

[Tmisatix]

Good question. I left the labels on. I didn't know if they'd accept them or mess it up if I didn't.

Hmm , I smell something fishy and it's not my girlfriend...

 

[AnTabolic73]

I wonder if simec would care if it came unlabeled. pharmacom obviously would.

Good question. I left the labels on. I didn't know if they'd accept them or mess it up if I didn't.

 

[grey]

Hmm , I smell something fishy and it's not my girlfriend...

I love conspiracies as much as anyone else, but the supposed economics of paying off SIMEC don't work out. Getting raws from China in Moldova (where it is legal) is going to be cheap as fuck and doesn't need to hidden.

Paying bribes (huge ones, since that is what it would take to get a business like SIMEC to risk its reputation) to use substandard raws makes frankly zero sense compared to the alternative of paying a fraction of the bribe cost to simply get good raws.

Not when raw powders retail for like what $2500.00 for a kg for Test E? Even at retail of $13000.00/kg for much lower density raws the numbers don't make sense since it would take bribes on the scale of several millions at a minimum for SIMEC to risk it.

Several millions of dollars = a fuckton of good raws that cn be tested by any customer at a whim. The ROI just isn't there.

This is literally Occam's fuckin Econ razor.

 

[Geterdun]

I don't know whats going on, but anyone can see it would have been much cheaper to eat a couple vials of NPP and not have all the bad press, instead of paying this huge cost to test the vials. I'm also not sure it would take buying off the entire Enron, I mean Simec lab either. One bad egg can ruin an entire dozen.

I'm not saying anyone is bought off, but something doesn't add up. JMO

 

[Do3Gs]

I don't know whats going on, but anyone can see it would have been much cheaper to eat a couple vials of NPP and not have all the bad press, instead of paying this huge cost to test the vials.

IMO this in itself settles very little. Replacing a couple vials would be a hell of a lot cheaper I'm sure but how does that ease the mind of past/present/future customers? I personally would have a little more peace of mind knowing that 1000's of people aren't buying or already bought products that are potentially contaminated with bacteria. If Pharmacom replaces the product and reimburses Luca then I think the testing was beneficial for the community. Yes it was inconvenient and took longer than expected but in the long run was more comforting than replacing a few vials.

 

[Geterdun]

I agree and think testing is a must. I'm going to leave it at that...

 

[GearGodess]

IMO this in itself settles very little. Replacing a couple vials would be a hell of a lot cheaper I'm sure but how does that ease the mind of past/present/future customers? I personally would have a little more peace of mind knowing that 1000's of people aren't buying or already bought products that are potentially contaminated with bacteria. If Pharmacom replaces the product and reimburses Luca then I think the testing was beneficial for the community. Yes it was inconvenient and took longer than expected but in the long run was more comforting than replacing a few vials.

It's interesting you say that because that is what I said in the begining for pcom to reimburse the garbage with new stable and clean vials or give refund. ...also, testing is very expensive and the typical test that gets done and posted is one that only shows 2 things... it confirms that the label is matching with at least some portion of the contents in the vial, so they ID it as well as the concentration - dose present in a ml of that particular compound... that's it. It won't test for metals which typically isn't really needed in steroid testing. (I'll have to find the notes from SIMEC responses). Also, that basic test that ranges from 300-600 euros won't show you anything else in that vial without doing a mass spec test which typically runs 5000-10000 euros, ohh and SIMEC doesn't have the equipment to perform mass spec testing... and I highly doubt anyone especially pharmacom forks that out each time one of theirs got tested. And this is why pcom are having a field day and laughing because if those contaminated vials get tested, all it will confirm is that label and compound present matches at this concentration...

So I don't think it's SIMEC wrong doing, but the lab claiming his shit is perfect knowing full well that the mass spec wasn't done to prove what was in those vials and they are supposedly clean! Bull[emoji90]

As for anabolic lab, I think they are safe as they, I assume, send gear that is stable and clear for testing and only need to prove the compound presence and what dose per ml it is and if the label matches.

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[Do3Gs]

UPDATE: they finally responded. He said he wasn't gettin my messages cause they went to spam. Also said the microbiology test is completed (and is fine). I'm not sure if he meant there was no sign of bacteria. I'll wait for the finished report.

Hplc should be done some and heavy metal testing done by next week. He said they had a prob finding a reference sample for it.

It's interesting you say that because that is what I said in the begining for pcom to reimburse the garbage with new stable and clean vials or give refund. ...also, testing is very expensive and the typical test that gets done and posted is one that only shows 2 things... it confirms that the label is matching with at least some portion of the contents in the vial, so they ID it as well as the concentration - dose present in a ml of that particular compound... that's it. It won't test for metals which typically isn't really needed in steroid testing. (I'll have to find the notes from SIMEC responses). Also, that basic test that ranges from 300-600 euros won't show you anything else in that vial without doing a mass spec test which typically runs 5000-10000 euros, ohh and SIMEC doesn't have the equipment to perform mass spec testing... and I highly doubt anyone especially pharmacom forks that out each time one of theirs got tested. And this is why pcom are having a field day and laughing because if those contaminated vials get tested, all it will confirm is that label and compound present matches at this concentration...

So I don't think it's SIMEC wrong doing, but the lab claiming his shit is perfect knowing full well that the mass spec wasn't done to prove what was in those vials and they are supposedly clean! Bull[emoji90]

As for anabolic lab, I think they are safe as they, I assume, send gear that is stable and clear for testing and only need to prove the compound presence and what dose per ml it is and if the label matches.

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Just by reading what @lucabratzi wrote it sounds like there is more being tested than dosage alone.

 

[Big_paul]

and I highly doubt anyone especially pharmacom forks that out each time one of theirs got tested.

Safe to say.

And this is why pcom are having a field day and laughing because if those contaminated vials get tested, all it will confirm is that label and compound present matches at this concentration...

Sounds like she knows what she is taking about. We can form our opinion by the looks of the vial Luca posted and say see ya cocksucker. We can piss on pcom all day and night and make it impossible to do business here. We will bump the photos on every new page of his thread, not to mention all the fuck you posts.

Looks like its time for some old school Mesorx piss off. And we will not limit it to Mesorx. Pcom can suck on them little balls in Luca's vial. If it is war those cocksuckers want it is war they will get. We will reduce that bitch to lower than Unclez. Read up on what happened to that mother fucker. Lets give pcom the same treatment guys and gals.

Ready set go!

 

[Docd187123]

It's interesting you say that because that is what I said in the begining for pcom to reimburse the garbage with new stable and clean vials or give refund. ...also, testing is very expensive and the typical test that gets done and posted is one that only shows 2 things... it confirms that the label is matching with at least some portion of the contents in the vial, so they ID it as well as the concentration - dose present in a ml of that particular compound... that's it. It won't test for metals which typically isn't really needed in steroid testing. (I'll have to find the notes from SIMEC responses). Also, that basic test that ranges from 300-600 euros won't show you anything else in that vial without doing a mass spec test which typically runs 5000-10000 euros, ohh and SIMEC doesn't have the equipment to perform mass spec testing... and I highly doubt anyone especially pharmacom forks that out each time one of theirs got tested. And this is why pcom are having a field day and laughing because if those contaminated vials get tested, all it will confirm is that label and compound present matches at this concentration...

So I don't think it's SIMEC wrong doing, but the lab claiming his shit is perfect knowing full well that the mass spec wasn't done to prove what was in those vials and they are supposedly clean! Bull[emoji90]

As for anabolic lab, I think they are safe as they, I assume, send gear that is stable and clear for testing and only need to prove the compound presence and what dose per ml it is and if the label matches.

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Simec might not test for organic impurities but after some homework they do microbial testing. It's completely within their capabilities and Luca's cost to do TAMC (total aerobic microbial count) and TYMC (total yeasts and molds count) testing.

 

[Docd187123]

It's interesting you say that because that is what I said in the begining for pcom to reimburse the garbage with new stable and clean vials or give refund. ...also, testing is very expensive and the typical test that gets done and posted is one that only shows 2 things... it confirms that the label is matching with at least some portion of the contents in the vial, so they ID it as well as the concentration - dose present in a ml of that particular compound... that's it. It won't test for metals which typically isn't really needed in steroid testing. (I'll have to find the notes from SIMEC responses). Also, that basic test that ranges from 300-600 euros won't show you anything else in that vial without doing a mass spec test which typically runs 5000-10000 euros, ohh and SIMEC doesn't have the equipment to perform mass spec testing... and I highly doubt anyone especially pharmacom forks that out each time one of theirs got tested. And this is why pcom are having a field day and laughing because if those contaminated vials get tested, all it will confirm is that label and compound present matches at this concentration...

So I don't think it's SIMEC wrong doing, but the lab claiming his shit is perfect knowing full well that the mass spec wasn't done to prove what was in those vials and they are supposedly clean! Bull[emoji90]

As for anabolic lab, I think they are safe as they, I assume, send gear that is stable and clear for testing and only need to prove the compound presence and what dose per ml it is and if the label matches.

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After further homework, I have found that Luca did indeed pay for heavy metal testing (ICP-OES) and microbial testing (TAMC and TYMC testing). According to the United States Pharmacopia, the USP <61> test , also called the Microbial Enumerations Test, is similar to the aerobic plate count assay and is comprised of both TAMC and TYMC tests. The PURPOSE of the USP <61> test, the one Luca paid for, is to determine if the sample is contaminated with either bacteria or fungus.

I also saw the Simec email you're referring to from the other board you're on. In this email Simec said they didn't have the equipment needed to perform an organic impurity test which is an HPLC-MS. "According to the definition given by the International Conference on Harmonization (ICH) of Technical Requirements for Registration of Pharmaceuticals for Human Use, impurity is any component of a substance for pharmaceutical use that is not the chemical entity defined as the substance." This test doesn't test for microbes but impurities which are two different things.

It seems safe to say that Luca indeed chose the right tests for this situation, Simec does indeed have the capability to test for bacteria and fungus, these tests don't cost 5000+ Euros (the organic impurity test does), and once Luca posts his results we will finally have an answer to this problem once and for all.

 

[KillaBig]

It's been 4 months and still nothing..? What is the average return when anabolic lab or nap's sends them samples.That's what I would like to know is 4 month's the norm or is Luca getting the go round.

 

[Docd187123]

It's been 4 months and still nothing..? What is the average return when anabolic lab or nap's sends them samples.That's what I would like to know is 4 month's the norm or is Luca getting the go round.

Luca got extra tests done so comparing them to Anabolic Lab or Naps would be pointless unless they performed all the same tests.