Simec rip off (until further notice)

[Docd187123]

WC when have you ever seen me avoid anything here? lol Just because MB uses Simec doesn't mean he would be aware if Simec was doing side deals with outside businesses. So again WC I am speaking only on the facts that are currently in front of us right now.

This is a joke man. Cmon. Wake up and smell the coffee. Simec is a business and does work with other companies besides anabolic lab. Furthermore, if they had an illicit deal with pharmacom to benefit pharmacom, why are there at least 3 poor pharmacom results from Simec?

Next you're going to state pharmacom didn't pay Simec enough or they did it purposefully to avoid suspicion. This logic has so many holes in it I could fit a 3/4ton pickup through it with a trailer and all

 

[Docd187123]

Do me a favour and a little respect WC don't go and start putting words in my mouth sir! Everything I have commented on is from the ACTUAL EVENTS that have occurred here!!!!!!! MB'S program I have no examples to go by and don't know the going on's. What I'm talking about right now, is this experience right here and all the excuses.

He's putting your own words back in your mouth, nothing you haven't said. If Simec is shady here and now with pharmacom then it stands to reason and logic they're possibly shady in EVERY test they perform. Yet you haven't called Millard out when he posts test results. This is the definition of hypocritical behavior. And you're not even working from a data set of what actually happened. You're choosing the half that supports your absurd theory and rejecting anything that doesn't. This is a pure example of confirmation bias.

Nothing is going to change your mind bc it's that made up already. You've admitted as much already. You need to reassess what you're doing and how you're going about it. People stopped believing the boy who cried wolf for a reason.

What's ironic enough is you're constantly telling people to get bloods done bc that's the only way to verify results. a member here can be the shadiest person around and you'd believe them. But an accredited lab that has to pass so much fucking red tape just to stay in business is the one acting shady and the one you don't believe.

 

[CdnGuy]

He's putting your own words back in your mouth, nothing you haven't said. If Simec is shady here and now with pharmacom then it stands to reason and logic they're possibly shady in EVERY test they perform. Yet you haven't called Millard out when he posts test results. This is the definition of hypocritical behavior. And you're not even working from a data set of what actually happened. You're choosing the half that supports your absurd theory and rejecting anything that doesn't. This is a pure example of confirmation bias.

Nothing is going to change your mind bc it's that made up already. You've admitted as much already. You need to reassess what you're doing and how you're going about it. People stopped believing the boy who cried wolf for a reason.

What's ironic enough is you're constantly telling people to get bloods done bc that's the only way to verify results. a member here can be the shadiest person around and you'd believe them. But an accredited lab that has to pass so much fucking red tape just to stay in business is the one acting shady and the one you don't believe.

Doc I hear everything you're saying but I am having a real hard time believing. Always have! So before this get's out of hand and I lose some mutal respect for you and WC and like wise I will not continue. I have my opinion and you & WC have yours. Later man

 

[Docd187123]

I think you see already where I'm going with this. Lots of people are making similar insinuations in this thread, although I suspect everyone is going to start backtracking now. But by their logic then technically every test done with SIMEC is suspect, including AL's testing. Yet no one is making that claim despite their insinuations making such a theory a reality if true (obviously it's not true). Once again it's an example of people being selective and hypocritical - but it's ok because UGL's are the devil.

I wonder why - if they truly believed in this theory then they would be calling out every test done with SIMEC. But that's not happening, it's only being done when the subject is an unpopular UGL because everyone collectively turns off their fucking brain when it comes to that sort of thing.

Exactly. No one questioned the good AND bad results of pharmacom done by anabolic lab even when those samples took 3+ months to do. Yet now it's taken 4+ months and Simec now is in bed with a UGL. This is like an M Knight Shamalan plot.

Not only that but these people are also on record as saying they'll believe a member over a

 

[Docd187123]

Doc I hear everything you're saying but I am having a real hard time believing. Always have! So before this get's out of hand and I lose some mutal respect for you and WC and like wise I will not continue. I have my opinion and you & WC have yours. Later man

But you have no hard time believing a lab is being paid off??? All it takes to make you think someone is a shill is that they're engaged in conversation when you happen to look but you're having a hard time believing when facts are presented to you? You're not making any sense.

It's sad that your respect for either of us for simply calling it as we see it. The fact is after all this I'm STILL giving you the benefit of the doubt and haven't threatened to lose respect for you.

Losing respect for someone bc you can't defend your position against them with anything more than "I'm having a hard time believing" and "excuses a 10yo can make" means you might not have really respected that person to begin with.

 

[CdnGuy]

lol Touche Doc guess that didn't come across in the right way (respect for you guys) I meant by getting heated and saying something in the heat of the moment. I tend to flying off the handle at times lol Don't wanna possibly say something I could regret man. For everyone's sake I hope I'm wrong and will make a public apology to all the members if I'm wrong.

 

[jJjburton]

DocD Saying everything that I feel and think too. It's just not worth arguing about with people who made there mind up already, and are totally talking out there ass.

 

[CdnGuy]

DocD Saying everything that I feel and think too. It's just not worth arguing about with people who made there mind up already, and are totally talking out there ass.

Who the fuck asked you?

 

[Eman]

Who the fuck asked you?

Since when is it a crime to express an opinion on here?

No one is talking to you that way when you express yours.

Show some fucking respect.

 

[jJjburton]

Who the fuck asked you?

Well when I click on anything around here, I see your name complaining about the same shit. So I had to reply sooner or later. It' getting old.

 

[CdnGuy]

Since when is it a crime to express an opinion on here?

No one is talking to you that way when you express yours.

Show some fucking respect.

Oh I'm so sorry Eman. I forgot I should just let people call me out and say I'm talking out my ass fuck you!

 

[Eman]

Oh I'm so sorry Eman. I forgot I should just let people call me out and say I'm talking out my ass fuck you!

Keep it up. You're walking a fine line between a good contributor to the forum and a troll to anyone who doesn't go along with what you think.

I just asked that you show respect, look how you respond...

 

[Sampei]

Cdn man... I know You really trying to look for members Safety here and i dont think You are doing all this motherfucking Crusade for shady personal interest.... BUT you do are talking out of your ass lol

So don't get angry when ppl say it.

Oh I'm so sorry Eman. I forgot I should just let people call me out and say I'm talking out my ass fuck you!

 

[CdnGuy]

Keep it up. You're walking a fine line between a good contributor to the forum and a troll to anyone who doesn't go along with what you think.

I just asked that you show respect, look how you respond...

Dude I know who I am and could care less whether you think I'm a "good" contributor or not.

 

[Big_paul]

Lets just say that the delay that we are seeing in the test results from the vial Luca sent for testing leaves the door open to question Simec. If he never gets test results back, we can all draw our own conclusions.

 

[Genghis K.]

Guys, I don't have enough time to get into a back and forth over the subject, but I would like to briefly contribute. It does seem like those "in the know" are okay with what is going on with Simec. So, in my book they get a pass for a little time longer.

@CdnGuy might be completely wrong or proven 100% right over time. I think he admitted to these possibilities a few pages back. IMO, he ( and especially @lucabratzi ) is right to question the situation. Most of the time being objective and questioning the perceived norm is healthy.

Last thought, I bet @CdnGuy hopes he is wrong,.......but what if he ends up being right?

 

[Geterdun]

I will admit, I'm a bit confused at why Simec as an entity has to be completely shady. It only takes one bad egg to ruin a dozen. Are they shady, I don't know that answer, but as I asked MB, why tell a customer paying good money 3 weeks when they knew it would be longer? They knew they were moving, they knew about their vacation, they know their backlog, they know estimated turn around times, but still said 3 weeks. Also, to say an accredited company couldn't be sour behind anyone's back isn't accurate. Maybe a bad comparison, but Enron sure as hell made out like bandits. Then were given a get out of jail free card by the President of The United States of America. Made off with millions and I'm sure that company might have had a few accredited approvals to manage the billions they sold.

 

[weighted chinup]

I will admit, I'm a bit confused at why Simec as an entity has to be completely shady. It only takes one bad egg to ruin a dozen. Are they shady, I don't know that answer, but as I asked MB, why tell a customer paying good money 3 weeks when they knew it would be longer? They knew they were moving, they knew about their vacation, they know their backlog, they know estimated turn around times, but still said 3 weeks.

Welcome to analytical testing. This type of thing is known to happen.

You've never missed an (estimated) deadline before?

Maybe a bad comparison

It is.

I personally don't think it's possible unless you suspend all disbelief for the sake of your conspiracy theory.

 

[Geterdun]

I can honestly say I'm OCD about deadlines, so no I haven't. No disrespect brother, but I've never been paid that kind of money to give a 3 week deadline and miss it. This by no means is saying I agree Simec as a whole is shady

Also I might add, they knew about moving and their long vacation which was never disclosed to anyone, not even the paying member of Meso.

 

[weighted chinup]

I can honestly say I'm OCD about deadlines, so no I haven't. No disrespect brother, but I've never been paid that kind of money to give a 3 week deadline and miss it. This by no means is saying I agree Simec as a whole is shady.

Let's say you miss a deadline. You need more of something (reference standard), your machine broke (needs new column), you're moving offices, your staff is on vacation for several weeks, you're swamped with an ass-load of new business.

Let say in this scenario your average turnaround is 3 months. Lets say you have a customer waiting 4 months.

Do you think based on this alone the public should draw the conclusion that you're shady, selective, and possibly working them over for some nefarious purpose and that your entire operation is suspect?

And lets say this all takes place in an industry known for some long ass delays (analytical testing).

And lets say this is an industry that has an ass-load of government regulation and oversight with extremely tight controls, audits, and accreditation just to continue to operate.