Simec rip off (until further notice)

[bigpoppachump]

Don't roast me here but that issue was going on since before my old phone finally broke so I was offline from meso for a minute. Has anyone reported back heregarding with any kind of medical issues from that gear with the cotton candy? I know a decent amount had to be sold and a good amount of people don't heed warnings so someone somewhere must have pinned this

 

[Geterdun]

Not all testing is back. Might be a good idea to go back and read this thread brother.

 

[bigpoppachump]

I know the testing isn't done. I'm asking if anyone has ever reported back after pinning this gear about any health complications.

 

[Dr JIM]

Im really sorry guys but most of this discussion is like beating the same old tired drum, bc in the absence of real time GRAPHIC INFO such as HPLC, MS, LC/MS, ect, the fabrication of trustworthy analytical results thru the use of numerical or narrative data IS "as simple as pie".

In that regard SIMECS the lack of transparency, has always been a deviation from the contemporary lab standards. The fact is EVERY lab must pass thru certain checks and balances to ensure they are being honest with themselves and their customers. It's also why lab certification and accreditation are critical.

 

[Geterdun]

I know the testing isn't done. I'm asking if anyone has ever reported back after pinning this gear about any health complications.

Sorry misread your post

 

[Dr JIM]

To that end let me make one thing clear, do I trust Millard: ABSOLUTELY and WO EQUIVOCATION

- Do I "trust" SIMEC - NOPE, bc SIMEC is a business and businesses are run by people who are prone to making errors and the absence of real time GRAPHIC DATA (I mean at least SOMETHING that is "evidence based") that allows myself and a few others to review these assays generates considerable pause on my behalf.

 

[Les]

I know the testing isn't done. I'm asking if anyone has ever reported back after pinning this gear about any health complications.

Not that I've read.

 

[G.I. Bro]

To that end let me make one thing clear, do I trust Millard: ABSOLUTELY and WO EQUIVOCATION

- Do I "trust" SIMEC - NOPE, bc SIMEC is a business and businesses are run by people who are prone to making errors and the absence of real time GRAPHIC DATA (I mean at least SOMETHING that is "evidence based") that allows myself and a few others to review these assays generates considerable pause on my behalf.

I trust Millard too. But SIMEC has fucked up and got caught before, then tried to wiggle out of it to some degree. Millard knows this first hand. SIMEC isn't perfect. Some of the peripheral/add on testing they claim gets done when you pay extra on samples doesn't always all get done imo. They aren't immune from error either. Avoiding acceptance of error is also different than full blown intentional manipulation of data - which I doubt they'd do.

 

[lucabratzi]

Don't roast me here but that issue was going on since before my old phone finally broke so I was offline from meso for a minute. Has anyone reported back heregarding with any kind of medical issues from that gear with the cotton candy? I know a decent amount had to be sold and a good amount of people don't heed warnings so someone somewhere must have pinned this

I won't say who but someone pm'd me saying they microwaved it and has been pinning it w no prob.

Take it w a grain of salt as its hearsay and an opinion at that.

 

[Dr JIM]

Oh I could care less about those types of issues per say, unless of course they become a manifestation of inherently dishonest business practices.

I mean people need to understand certain errors are a commonality when AAS are tested, but a quality lab makes amends for such issues and corrects them immediately once identified. Of course the problem is almost always ONE MONEY.

Have you or others know how many HPLC cylinders would be required to APPROPRIATELY test all the "commonly used" AAS ? ABOUT FIFTEEN, at a cost of bt $500.00 to $1250.00 each! And whenever a "new cylinder" is used the results will need to be verified to determine it's accuracy.

Make no mistake about it the TESTING OF AAS can be some expensive shit guys!
(The UCLA PED protocols and procedure manual is a highly kept secret, and is maintained under lock and key!

What matters the most IMO is the posting of reliable AND unbiased testing RESULTS!

 

[Dr JIM]

Thsoe who don't believe me try to locate a SPECIFIC HPLC protocol for say Halo on the Net or a "Health Science Library".

Also try search the web and then contact an analytical lab and inquire about testing
what is supposed to be something LEGAL like Clomid for instance. THe "startup costs" alone will often run bt $2-5K!

 

[Dr JIM]

I know the testing isn't done. I'm asking if anyone has ever reported back after pinning this gear about any health complications.

Like what complications are you referring to @bigpoppachump

Health complications? LIKE WHAT?

AAS have adverse effects, but other than those what specifically are your referring to that can be identified using traditional AAS analyses?

 

[Sampei]

Jim do you ever read any thread where you start posting? Or you usually write stuff randomly without even knowing what we are talking about?

Not the first time you do something like this. Especially because many times you write stuff not even related to the topic. Just saying... Maybe if you read more carefully you would have understand what he meant with the possible "complication" in pinning those vials.

Like what complications are you referring to @bigpoppachump

Health complications? LIKE WHAT?

AAS have adverse effects, but other than those what specifically are your referring to that can be identified using traditional AAS analyses?

 

[Sampei]

You are mistaking chemtox with simec. For what I remember simec never had any fuck up. Chemtox instead had it.

I trust Millard too. But SIMEC has fucked up and got caught before, then tried to wiggle out of it to some degree. Millard knows this first hand. SIMEC isn't perfect. Some of the peripheral/add on testing they claim gets done when you pay extra on samples doesn't always all get done imo. They aren't immune from error either. Avoiding acceptance of error is also different than full blown intentional manipulation of data - which I doubt they'd do.

 

[Dr JIM]

Where did I POST anything about what SIMEC or CHEM TOX did or did NOT do with one exception, a complete lack of GRAPHIC DATA to support the narrative reports on behalf SIMEC?

To reiterate don't lose track of what SIMEC was primarily assigned to do and what Meso members and others are paying them to do: conducting consistently reliable quantitative and qualitative PED testing, AAS in particular.

SIMEC IS A SUBSIDARY OF CHEM TOX FELLA as SIMEC receives it's accreditation thru CHEM TOX !

You should spend more time investigating their relationship from a business, fiduciary and logistical perspective, AS I HAVE DONE!

 

[AnTabolic73]

Where did I POST anything about what SIMEC or CHEM TOX did or did NOT do with one exception, a complete lack of GRAPHIC DATA to support the narrative reports on behalf SIMEC?

To reiterate don't lose track of what SIMEC was primarily assigned to do and what Meso members and others are paying them to do: conducting consistently reliable quantitative and qualitative PED testing, AAS in particular.

SIMEC IS A SUBSIDARY OF CHEM TOX FELLA as SIMEC receives it's accreditation thru CHEM TOX !

You should spend more time investigating their relationship from a business, fiduciary and logistical perspective, AS I HAVE DONE!

you kinda proved @Sampei point with this post doc.

 

[G.I. Bro]

You are mistaking chemtox with simec. For what I remember simec never had any fuck up. Chemtox instead had it.

You're right it was chemtox that somewhat got exposed a bit during the sciroxx multi ester test debacle (in which Millard proved again to be an honest stand up guy by looking into it and issuing a retraction). But my understanding was it's essentially the same people/lab as DJ Jimmy jam pointed out. But perhaps it's a separate team/entity running the actual chemtox checks... I'm unsure. Discussions like this are why meso has value to me though. Good stuff.

 

[Sampei]

You are telling me that simec operating under Swiss laws is a subsidiary of chemtox that operate under France laws?

And that simec get accreditation trough chemtox?

Please provide proof when you make those kind of statement or you are not better then all those ppl spreading BROSCIENCE or bullshit without even citing one good source.

Or should I believe you just because you have dr before your name?

Where did I POST anything about what SIMEC or CHEM TOX did or did NOT do with one exception, a complete lack of GRAPHIC DATA to support the narrative reports on behalf SIMEC?

To reiterate don't lose track of what SIMEC was primarily assigned to do and what Meso members and others are paying them to do: conducting consistently reliable quantitative and qualitative PED testing, AAS in particular.

SIMEC IS A SUBSIDARY OF CHEM TOX FELLA as SIMEC receives it's accreditation thru CHEM TOX !

You should spend more time investigating their relationship from a business, fiduciary and logistical perspective, AS I HAVE DONE!

 

[johnson1000]

That's the same address I used when I sent something for testing back in April. If they just moved then yes it's probably the old address. I don't know how Switzerland works but I would think as new as the move is they would have their mail being forwarded.

I would hope it would be forwarded, but IF it is the old address WHY would naps still be telling us to use it?, to delay the inevitable?, to hope it will get lost?, just to fuck with us?. No matter WHAT happens with all this bullshit, it will still prove the point. I would rather have the sample tested or I would not have paid the money to ship it, that is how SURE I am that its PURE BUNK, but if it somehow gets "LOST", and we cant prove it... Well, THAT in itself would still PROVE it. I am not even sure about the credibility OF Simec. When there is the kind of money involved with this business, ANYTHING is possible!!!

 

[jJjburton]

@CdnGuy I have no doubt of your sincerity when you say you support and trust AnabolicLab. Unfortunately, @weighted chinup is right - you can't accuse SIMEC of corruption in an attempt to undermine Pharmacom without, intentionally or unintentionally, undermining other clients who rely on SIMEC's test results.

Your issues with Pharmacom have nothing to do with the legitimacy of SIMEC as an accredited analytical testing facility and the independent test results it releases. The strategy of attacking SIMEC as a way of discrediting Pharmacom could also negatively affect the perception of the test results commissioned by other SIMEC clients. It is unavoidable.

YESSS THIS IS CORRECT^

We are lucky to have simec. Remeber when we didn't...