Simple fat and weight loss guide

[T&H]

I'm stopping my cut because according to my friend Gabe, I'm stringy, and it's overdue, according to what I was telling him I felt. I told him my body is aching, as if I got hit by a truck; my strength is so low its pathetic..The only reason why I can push through is the clen and caffine, which aren't even high... But it wasn't even the "fat" melting off; he said that the GH at 10ius is burning through fat, leaving my body to overconsume glucose stores, which is why I would wake up 1lb leaner every day. So there is no fat melting off; I thought it was, and granted, I am losing fat faster than usual, but no one is losing a lb of fat a day, so it must be water.

I've been cutting since Feb; I took two diet breaks, for a total of 3 weeks out of 20 weeks... If I'm truly at 18% bf right now, in order for me to reach my goal, I've have to continue cutting for another 20 weeks; that's 40 fucking weeks cutting and is unheard of....I rather stop here, restore my body which has had enough; get off the t3/clen etc, and hit it later. Think about it: if it takes a body builder who is 10-12% 16-20 weeks to cut, I'm way the fuck off.

I underestimated the fat I had to lose; I thought I was 12% right now...but I'm not. That's why. I don't want to push so hard and feel like complete garbage, when I'm not a pro or competitor, and I'm not even going to the beach this summer, since is it fucking disgusting out.

I think you look good. The body dysmorphia problem on bodybuilding forums seemed to be tied to chasing some magical body fat number. Then it's followed by got to gain more muscle because I lost too much muscle. Then it's I'm too fat from my bulk. And repeat all over.

Many guys never seem content. It's a mirage, looking for gold at the end of a rainbow. Unless you're competing, it's fruitless to chase a number thinking it's going to bring some permanent happiness. You've made great progress, you really have.

 

[supremedonkey]

I'm stopping my cut because according to my friend Gabe, I'm stringy, and it's overdue, according to what I was telling him I felt. I told him my body is aching, as if I got hit by a truck; my strength is so low its pathetic..The only reason why I can push through is the clen and caffine, which aren't even high... But it wasn't even the "fat" melting off; he said that the GH at 10ius is burning through fat, leaving my body to overconsume glucose stores, which is why I would wake up 1lb leaner every day. So there is no fat melting off; I thought it was, and granted, I am losing fat faster than usual, but no one is losing a lb of fat a day, so it must be water.

I've been cutting since Feb; I took two diet breaks, for a total of 3 weeks out of 20 weeks... If I'm truly at 18% bf right now, in order for me to reach my goal, I've have to continue cutting for another 20 weeks; that's 40 fucking weeks cutting and is unheard of....I rather stop here, restore my body which has had enough; get off the t3/clen etc, and hit it later. Think about it: if it takes a body builder who is 10-12% 16-20 weeks to cut, I'm way the fuck off.

I underestimated the fat I had to lose; I thought I was 12% right now...but I'm not. That's why. I don't want to push so hard and feel like complete garbage, when I'm not a pro or competitor, and I'm not even going to the beach this summer, since is it fucking

You are definitely not stringy. You are gonna look bigger the leaner you get from here. Not to mention the jaw and definition coming out in your face. That usually motivates me to keep going. You can always carb up anyway.

Wasn't aware you were feeling like shit though. It sounded like a walk in the park in your post. If you are not enjoying the process then it's a different story. Very hard to stay motivated. Some people enjoy the struggle. You kind of get used to it.

 

[Rido]

he said that the GH at 10ius is burning through fat, leaving my body to overconsume glucose stores,

Um what?

It would promote glycogen storage and promote fat oxidation over glycogen use.

If I could slam in 20 iu of hgh to burn fat I would. It is just allowing us to use it as more of a primary source of energy.

 

[Highly ecto]

Tell me more about the carnivore diet. I know it would work well to cut, but you have grown lean on it? What does a daily food intake look like? Any green veggies or carb up days?

Personally l believe the carnivore diet is not going to suit most people for a few reasons. lt is a very restrictive diet, it is quite expensive now with the price of meat, and most people wont handle the transition their body goes through while adapting from using carbs as their energy source, to using fat as their energy source. The adaption period can take quite a few months for some people.
For the people that can afford it, can handle the adaption period, and can handle the strictness of the diet, their is no better diet around if you have digestive issues or hormonal issues. You will also never feel hungry and stay lean while eating plenty of calories. My total testosterone doubled when l switched from a standard 40/40/20 diet to the carnivore diet. Of course l'm still natty, and it will not work like this for someone on Test.


As for my daily food intake l eat between 750 grams and 1kg of untrimmed steak twice a day. l also eat up to 8 X/large free range eggs a day. My calories vary between 4500 to 6500 calories a day depending on what l am trying to achieve and how fatty my steaks are.

As for veggies or carbs, l have not eaten any for more than 6 years and am healthier and feel better now at 55, than l did at 40. l have not craved sugar or carbs for more than 5 years.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Um what?

It would promote glycogen storage and promote fat oxidation over glycogen use.

If I could slam in 20 iu of hgh to burn fat I would. It is just allowing us to use it as more of a primary source of energy.

Yes, that's what I thought, but I was dropping 1lb of a weight a day since starting the 10IUs... that's not fat being incinerated at that rate. If my body is burnt out for being in a deficit so long, and the GH is releasing fat from my stores, and I burn through those while my body is running on t3/clen as well, what else is left to burn? It is not like glycogen is no longer used while on GH. Fat isn't the only thing getting used, especially when my carbs are too low to maintain the activity I was pushing; that's why he told me I should be taking 500 carbs while on 10ius, and feed my body what it needs.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

"I cut so long, and got so far...but in the end, I only remained flatter. I took more drugs, to lose it all....but in the end, I still look fatter..."

 

[amindzeye]

"I cut so long, and got so far...but in the end, I only remained flatter. I took more drugs, to lose it all....but in the end, I still look fatter..."

You win the internet for the day!

 

[Deleted member 123722]

You are definitely not stringy. You are gonna look bigger the leaner you get from here. Not to mention the jaw and definition coming out in your face. That usually motivates me to keep going. You can always carb up anyway.

Wasn't aware you were feeling like shit though. It sounded like a walk in the park in your post. If you are not enjoying the process then it's a different story. Very hard to stay motivated. Some people enjoy the struggle. You kind of get used to it.

Well, when I carb up, I look way better... like a lot better. The fat loss wasn't that hard actually, as I enjoy all my meals and even started to love cardio. But my body is like "bro, wtf." And once I realized that I need at least three-four months of a cut, and that would put me 7-8 months cutting, which I feel is too long, it made sense to cut it off now and start again later.

 

[lukiss96]

For me, it's the moderation of steroids that is important when staying lean or cutting up.

I can't take >500mg testosterone and look lean, for me it just demotivates me and I don't like the bloated, watery look.

My testosterone sweet spot is 300-400mg which gives me the right balance of fullness yet muscle is quite hard and not puffy/soft and anything over is just too much when the goal is to look good.

If solo, then 400mg is fine, but when stacking I keep it at 300mg.

As for stacking, no need to go overboard with it. Choosing neutral or "dry" steroid is wise, I like anavar or equipoise for this purpose.

Sometimes more is not better and when it comes to looking good, it is especially true.

 

[lukiss96]

Visit this thread for ideas on what meals to eat. If someone struggles with creativity or find food bland, by the way some of these meals are so easy to prepare. Check it out. Scroll through ~5 pages, it's only gonna be updated with new meals.

What R U Eating ? ~OGH wants to know.....

Forgot to take a pic before i ate it but i just had: 300g rice pudding 100g porridge oats 100ml full fat milk 60g whey powder 1 large tablespoon peanut butter Handful dried cranberrys Sprinkle of chopped nuts Tablespoon mixed seeds Drizzle lemon juice No idea of the macros but a very...

thinksteroids.com

 

[Live_Evil]

Polycystic Ovary Syndrome, numerous hormonal imbalances, menopause, hypothyroidism. I could name 15 more lol.

6-12% of the female population has Polycystic Ovary Syndrome, and it doesn't cause weight gain in all of them. The hormonal imbalances from menopause don't necessarily cause weight loss, but rather, an acute change in metabolism, so again, calories in vs calories out. 5% of the population has hypothyroidism, and it doesn't cause weight gain in everyone.

You're talking about tiny percentages of the population who actually experience weight gain from said issues, and even tiny percentages that experience those ailments in the first place.

If you put someone in a caloric deficit for prolonged periods, the body literally has no choice but to lose weight. Further, if you add physical activity on top of that, it'll happen quite rapidly.

No matter how hard people try, they'll never beat thermodynamics. Not even "older women".

In fact, if someone has a horrid hormonal imbalance and only eats 800 calories a day, at some point, their weight will reflect that caloric intake, regardless of hormones. Their body comp will look quite different from someone with a different hormonal profile, but the weight will be identical.

 

[Joseph Plunkett]

First of all let's clear some things up. I see a lot of people fail at diet and never achieve their goals, they use a lot of drugs that they never actually need in the first place but convince me, themselves and everyone else they are right...

Yes here at meso forum. I won't name any names but it's really quite a bit of members that struggle and won't admit.

So, I have decided to write up a very simple guide and basics and some tactics when it comes to losing fat and finally getting lean.

(THIS IS MEANT FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED TO JUST GET LEAN OR LOSE BODY FAT, not get crazy shredded.)

DIET ADJUSTMENT AND CALORIE DEFICIT
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This is the most basic and the most important part that everybody understands, but yet fails to do so in practice!

To achieve fat loss, energy or calorie deficit must be created as simple as that.

Image from: rippedbody.com

CALORIE DEFICIT & BODY FAT %
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We need to create a caloric deficit that is optimal for our goals, for example my maintenance calories are roughly 3600 calories on most days to maintain my body weight (225-230 pounds, 13-14% body fat, almost 6'2 in my profile pic).

So for me to create deficit, I'd need to eat about 3000 calories and I would (and do) lose fat eating this much.

However, personal preference and body fat % is a factor here too. Some might find they do better on 200-300cal deficit while others might be fine on more aggressive deficit.

I personally now do a slight deficit when necessary, as I try to stay lean year round (not very lean, but lean).

I hover around 12-16% year round, when I get to 16% or over I do a slight deficit and increase my activity slightly to get back down to 12-13%.

I try to remain at 13-14% it's my zone where I'm reasonably comfortable and still can enjoy life without annoying compromises.

CALORIES & MACROS
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This is obviously personal choice when it comes to macros, but for the most part and most people we only really need to focus on - calories and protein.

You can of course focus on carbs and fats and etc. but for simplicity, I prefer not to do so.

Important to note, that for some people carbs are very important or for others they need higher fat to feel optimal. That's why I say it's individual when it comes to this. You need to try out what works for you and your body.


Okay, so we have already covered calorie deficit and it's by far the single most important factor when it comes to losing fat/weight or not!

Unless you're absolutely stage ready shredded, water depleted or look like C. Bale in Machinist. YOU WILL LOSE FAT AND WEIGHT IF YOU'RE IN CALORIE DEFICIT!!!

NO WEIGHT OR FAT LOSS? NOT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH DEFICIT IS CREATED! (get this in your head once and for all, it's not hgh, deca, cortisol, starvation mode or some other bs it's your brain and you making dumb excuses...)


Here is my simple tip how to get it done:
- Don't do crazy deficits like say -1000cals or even more for prolonged amount of time (unless you're very fat 30% bf)
- Adjust your macros according to how you feel, if you feel better on more carbs then don't avoid them!
- Keep protein at least 0.8g per pound of rough lbm (most people are very bad at bf % estimation anyway...)
- Try to stay consistent and log everything you eat!
- Keep your favorite foods and meals, but in moderation!

FOOD CHOICES AND SUBSTITUTIONS AND SOME TIPS
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Most people fuck up here because of bad choices of food, like for example instead of cake, cookies, ice cream we could rather choose protein chocolate oat pudding!

If I eat a lot of cookies and ice cream, I'll be hungry soon and my calorie allotment for the day would be significantly reduced. Not good at all.

On the other hand, if I had my fav protein pudding. I'm looking at 50 grams of protein, 75 grams of carbs and 19 grams of fat and 696 calories. With this meal I'd be full for at least 3-4 hours. How long would I be full eating 700 calories of cookies? Not for half an hour.


Tips:
- Don't buy shit that makes you slip!!! (Very important)
- Instead of buying ice cream box of 300-500ml, buy one serving or max two. (In case you slip, you will set yourself off 300-400 calories instead of 1k+)
- When going out, avoid low class fast food places. Go to a decent place where there are better quality meals to order.
- Count everything you can, for example salad with dressing has calories too! Count it in!
- Count alcohol calories too... (sucks but it does really count, that's why you need to keep it in moderation)
- Also liquid calories...

PHYSICAL ACTIVITY
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Move your ass more!

It's so underrated and people prefer just to sit all day on their ass and eat like a bird to achieve fat loss, instead of going for a walk...

Just move more already, don't sit at home doing nothing, go do something!

Even moderate activity will speed up your metabolism and your calorie expenditure will go up.

Also the more you are bored, the more likely you are to crave food and overeat. Beat the boredom by doing something!

I don't recommend you go overboard with cardio, like if you never did a lot of cardio there is no need to. Just do some form of activity, like I mentioned walking or swimming. If you like you can run of course, just don't rely too much on cardio if it's not in your lifestyle!

Or you will burn yourself out quick, trust me.

SOME OTHER TIPS
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I follow simple rules to stay lean year round, for me it's my lifestyle that helps with being active and I need to do athletic, physical stuff pretty much daily.

I don't buy crap I don't need, which I mentioned makes you slip. If I want ice cream I just buy one, not the whole box. If I want energy drink I just buy one, not 3.

In case I slip up on my diet or have no control for given time, I just get back on the track and cut back on my calories slightly. Like I said when I get up to over 16% I then cut ~300cals from my maintenance and increase my activity slightly. This way I lose that fat fast and get to around 13% body fat again.

I don't bother with fancy diets like paleo or keto, I do what works for me and I'm all in for simplicity. After all, simple things do work the best!

Don't be Einstein and add t3/t4, hgh, salbutamol/clenbuterol, winstrol, tren and dnp when you're 20% body fat (like some members here...)

Stick to what works for you and remember the basics, follow it and you will be lean once and for all.

DRUGS, MORE DRUGS, EVEN MORE DRUGS IT'S ALL ABOUT THE DAMN DRUGS...
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Last thing I wanna say is don't be a moron please...

I see this shit daily, all the questions about this drug and that drug and this steroid or steroid is better and all that shit...

Where the fuck is your plan on how you're gonna diet? What about the work you're willing to put in?

DRUGS ARE THE LEAST IMPORTANT PART FOR YOUR GOALS!!! unless you're competing and know wtf you're doing be an idiot asking how much t3 or dnp to take with tren!

Sure, optimal hormonal levels are very important! But optimal is 600-1100 testosterone, not 500mg of testosterone + tren + bunch other shit.

I see dudes weighting here 180-199 pounds that say they lose "muscle" on 1g test...

Makes me mad seeing dumb idiots like this, I wish we could slap them in the face (friendly).

Sure drugs help, but it's like 5-10% and that's IF YOU HAVE EVERYTHING ELSE DIALED IN!

CONCLUSION
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Yeah, I'm not a writer or some person that is good at speaking. I'm just the guy that gets his shit done and I just share what I know and what I have tried and know what works and what is waste of time.

There are plenty of people here more knowledgeable than me, but on the basic level to get most people lean I have enough knowledge.

I wanted to keep it short and I did as much as I could, maybe I missed something, but I just wanted to get to the point and mention the most important aspects of weight/fat loss itself.

Sorry, for my incompetence when it comes to writing and expressing my thoughts. After all, I'm not even native English speaker as you can see.

I hope at least some people will read this and I also know that it's what almost everybody knows already, but I just wanted to get some people back to the drawing board.

At the end of the day, we are all different. What works for me might not work for you, but some basic laws and rules apply to everyone.

Judging from your profile picture.

You aren’t in good enough shape to be giving weight loss advice.

Sorry bro.

 

[Megadick3000]

You both have valid points but … all in all take away the medical conditions, 90% of overweight, obese Americans is because they eat way too much and if they tell you they’re eating 500 cals a day and not losing weight they’re lying like he said above !!!

Dont forget how fucking inactive the average person has become. Cellphones and the internet and video games really contributed to more sedentary lifestyles.

So take
A) inactive lazy cunts
Add
B) McDonalds and Taco Bell
And you get
C) the average gigantic fat slob american

But obesity is not just a north anerican thing anymore, its global now. Interestingly, if you overlay a map of how developed countries in the world are overtop of a map of country to country obesity rates you will notice the more developed the country the more prevelant obesity is, with one huge exception: Japan.

Japan is one of the most developed countries on earth yet has a substantially lower rate of overweight people. I dont know why?

Ive never lived in Japan but somehow they have bucked the trend.

 

[lukiss96]

Judging from your profile picture.

You aren’t in good enough shape to be giving weight loss advice.

Sorry bro.

And judging from your profile picture and stupid questions, you belong in some sad forum with mentally fucked up creatures that were once humans.

Oh by the way, I almost forgot, they're probably drug addicts like yourself

And me? I didn't get offended anyway. I'm in better shape than everyone almost anywhere I go in public. Not to mention I have presence and get the attention from women I want and I'm 100% positive that you're no where near my level anyway. So, I'll say it again, no picture - shut the fuck up or show yourself if you want to talk. Let others be the judge then.

For my goals, I'm good enough. People compliment me and ask questions, I don't compete and never will. I just care about looking good and having muscles.

Only on forums you can hear such bs from people that don't even have picture of themselves to begin with!

Your insult is equal to me like you know coming from a fat woman, do you think I care or it hurts my ego? You're wrong amigo.

Sei uno sfigato.

 

[Joseph Plunkett]

And judging from your profile picture and stupid questions, you belong in some sad forum with mentally fucked up creatures that were once humans.

Oh by the way, I almost forgot, they're probably drug addicts like yourself

And me? I didn't get offended anyway. I'm in better shape than everyone almost anywhere I go in public. Not to mention I have presence and get the attention from women I want and I'm 100% positive that you're no where near my level anyway. So, I'll say it again, no picture - shut the fuck up or show yourself if you want to talk. Let others be the judge then.

For my goals, I'm good enough. People compliment me and ask questions, I don't compete and never will. I just care about looking good and having muscles.

Only on forums you can hear such bs from people that don't even have picture of themselves to begin with!

Your insult is equal to me like you know coming from a fat woman, do you think I care or it hurts my ego? You're wrong amigo.

Sei uno sfigato.

You are the reason people shouldn’t use trenbolone….Your just an idiot giving people crap advvice.

Kinda like that ath lean guy.

 

[hudson98]

You are the reason people shouldn’t use trenbolone….Your just an idiot giving people crap advvice.

Kinda like that ath lean guy.

He's a guy who is like 220 and 13 percent (I think he's said it 100 times over the past 2 dats) who is telling us how to stay lean year round. 13 percent he says is lean, or 16, or maybe tomorrow it will be 20.

Also incase you didn't hear him keep saying, he gets all the attention from the woman and he swears he's not gay even though he looks it. As a matter of fact he gets so much attention from women he talks on here all day about being 13 percent year round and pours his life out.

Oh and incase you didn't catch it, forget nice guys and cucks finish last, the key to getting women is being a "lean" 14 percent, and being mr positive, and getting a bra tattooed on your chest. And he doesn't care what anyone thinks of him but he writes books to make sure we know.

 

[phenominal34]

He does tend to talk a lot and repeat what you said lol about 13% etc but unlike you two … he’s posted his physique which is good. Care to share yours ?? @hudson98 @Joseph Plunkett

 

[GuerillaPete]

He's a guy who is like 220 and 13 percent (I think he's said it 100 times over the past 2 dats) who is telling us how to stay lean year round. 13 percent he says is lean, or 16, or maybe tomorrow it will be 20.

Also incase you didn't hear him keep saying, he gets all the attention from the woman and he swears he's not gay even though he looks it. As a matter of fact he gets so much attention from women he talks on here all day about being 13 percent year round and pours his life out.

Oh and incase you didn't catch it, forget nice guys and cucks finish last, the key to getting women is being a "lean" 14 percent, and being mr positive, and getting a bra tattooed on your chest. And he doesn't care what anyone thinks of him but he writes books to make sure we know.

He said before that he is struggling with mental issues so that explains it .
I dont think he had bad intentions

 

[Deezznutzz]

6-12% of the female population has Polycystic Ovary Syndrome, and it doesn't cause weight gain in all of them. The hormonal imbalances from menopause don't necessarily cause weight loss, but rather, an acute change in metabolism, so again, calories in vs calories out. 5% of the population has hypothyroidism, and it doesn't cause weight gain in everyone.

You're talking about tiny percentages of the population who actually experience weight gain from said issues, and even tiny percentages that experience those ailments in the first place.

If you put someone in a caloric deficit for prolonged periods, the body literally has no choice but to lose weight. Further, if you add physical activity on top of that, it'll happen quite rapidly.

No matter how hard people try, they'll never beat thermodynamics. Not even "older women".

In fact, if someone has a horrid hormonal imbalance and only eats 800 calories a day, at some point, their weight will reflect that caloric intake, regardless of hormones. Their body comp will look quite different from someone with a different hormonal profile, but the weight will be identical.

I see what you mean for most of the population but I'm telling you I've met some girls that this is not true. I know someone right now who's very close to me I've been trying to help she doesn't get much exercise. On some days she only consumes about 500 calories. I keep telling her starvation diets don't work but I have known her for over 2 years and she's overweight. She has slow thyroid and she's going through menopause. There is no way she is fat because of what she's eating .I know her too well and I've stayed with her for many weeks at a time. I've watched how she lives. For you to sit up here and say that it's always calories in calories out is not very smart. I understand a lot of you guys are younger but this is not the case for a lot of people over 50. There are lots of fat people over the age of 50 who don't eat that many calories. Hell even my trt doctor when I joined was going on and on about all the patients he helps who are low t. He said he helped countless patients that could not lose weight and cannot gain any muscle and they were eating right and doing everything right it wasn't until they got their testosterone back to normal levels that they were able to see progress. A lot of you guys are just young and don't understand if you look around there's plenty of fat old people and they don't eat a ton of food. I reckon most of their weight gain is because they need more exercise but a lot of them are totally burning the calories that they're putting in. There's lots of old people that only eat like a tiny little thing for lunch in a tiny little thing for dinner and they're still fat. If you believe it's calories in calories out I'm just going to say here that you're slightly slow LOL maybe it is calories in calories out for the average gym goer but not for everyone in the world.

 

[phenominal34]

I see what you mean for most of the population but I'm telling you I've met some girls that this is not true. I know someone right now who's very close to me I've been trying to help she doesn't get much exercise. On some days she only consumes about 500 calories. I keep telling her starvation diets don't work but I have known her for over 2 years and she's overweight. She has slow thyroid and she's going through menopause. There is no way she is fat because of what she's eating .I know her too well and I've stayed with her for many weeks at a time. I've watched how she lives. For you to sit up here and say that it's always calories in calories out is not very smart. I understand a lot of you guys are younger but this is not the case for a lot of people over 50. There are lots of fat people over the age of 50 who don't eat that many calories. Hell even my trt doctor when I joined was going on and on about all the patients he helps who are low t. He said he helped countless patients that could not lose weight and cannot gain any muscle and they were eating right and doing everything right it wasn't until they got their testosterone back to normal levels that they were able to see progress. A lot of you guys are just young and don't understand if you look around there's plenty of fat old people and they don't eat a ton of food. I reckon most of their weight gain is because they need more exercise but a lot of them are totally burning the calories that they're putting in. There's lots of old people that only eat like a tiny little thing for lunch in a tiny little thing for dinner and they're still fat. If you believe it's calories in calories out I'm just going to say here that you're slightly slow LOL maybe it is calories in calories out for the average gym goer but not for everyone in the world.

So tell us what’s making her “FAT” if it’s not food ? Like I said earlier it’s fluid then !! You can’t get fat off no food, it’s science, common sense, and everything else. Is the air she’s breathing making her fat ? Please tell us …..