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[Trenbolonetax]

Epitalon and pinealon, I'll read up! Thanks Brother! You ever try delta-sleep inducing peptide? I haven't but it sounds intriguing. I have to admit I'm leary of any compounds which promote sleep, IMO all the ones which have worked eventually came with a price, but maybe these are different?

I've tried DSIP...did nothing for me.

I think it's a good idea to exercise caution with compounds that help sleep. I think I would be most comfortable trying a GHRH to help sleep just due to the mechanism of action.

Dude I know who wears an oura ring shows he more than doubled REM just using pinealon. He's not on anything else other than TRT, however.

Having said this...I need to go source this.

I'll try to read up more on the secretagogues, I kinda just jumped straight to GH without looking into the alternatives. But there seem to be advantages and disadvantages to both.

Perhaps an uninformed opinion...but if you're looking to max out natural potential pulsatile GH? Makes sense to go secretagogue route.

If you're looking to go above and beyond? Makes sense to go rHGH route.

Is there an intelligent method to combine both on some type of alternating schedule? Perhaps, and that is somewhat intriguing to me. I may have to experiment with that after this blast.

Yeah I noticed degradation of sleep quality immediately upon starting the testosterone, even at 100 mg/wk. It was undeniable. Every time I change doses it seems to get worse lol, though eventually my body seems to adjust and settle into the new level.

I figured that telmisartan had that effect, that and it's cardioprotective effects were why I chose to implement it. I'm on such a baby dose though, not entirely sure if it's doing anything. It definitely did not change my BP, not even a smidge. Come in right at 120/80 basically every single morning, no matter how puffy I am and no matter if I used telmisartan and/or tadalafil. I can pull them or add them any time and bp doesn't change

It was the cardioprotective + insulin sensitizing + PPAR modulation that had me going towards telmisartan when looking to get onto a BP med. Apparently going from 250lbs to 280lbs in short course and stuffing your face with food to gain / maintain weight for football isn't good for your BP, lol.

But the thought process is if I'm going to need to use a BP med, I'd like to use the one with the most upside and I still believe that to be telmisartan.

 

[twreck555]

I've tried DSIP...did nothing for me.

I think it's a good idea to exercise caution with compounds that help sleep. I think I would be most comfortable trying a GHRH to help sleep just due to the mechanism of action.

Dude I know who wears an oura ring shows he more than doubled REM just using pinealon. He's not on anything else other than TRT, however.

Having said this...I need to go source this.


Perhaps an uninformed opinion...but if you're looking to max out natural potential pulsatile GH? Makes sense to go secretagogue route.

If you're looking to go above and beyond? Makes sense to go rHGH route.

Is there an intelligent method to combine both on some type of alternating schedule? Perhaps, and that is somewhat intriguing to me. I may have to experiment with that after this blast.


It was the cardioprotective + insulin sensitizing + PPAR modulation that had me going towards telmisartan when looking to get onto a BP med. Apparently going from 250lbs to 280lbs in short course and stuffing your face with food to gain / maintain weight for football isn't good for your BP, lol.

But the thought process is if I'm going to need to use a BP med, I'd like to use the one with the most upside and I still believe that to be telmisartan.

Yeah the more I learn the more I like telmisartan in particular. Bp control, cardiac protection, renal protection, insulin sensitivity, fluid balance, and attenuation of erythrocytosis. Broad effects for a single med.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Yeah the more I learn the more I like telmisartan in particular. Bp control, cardiac protection, renal protection, insulin sensitivity, fluid balance, and attenuation of erythrocytosis. Broad effects for a single med.

The attenuation of erythrocytosis can't be overstated IMO. So many folks I know IRL who have RBC issues on baby doses. I'm over here pushing big boy doses of test + EQ and I have NEVER had RBC come in over 53% no matter what I do, what compounds I take, etc. And I'll be the first to admit I'm terrible at staying properly hydrated

 

[Jin23]

The attenuation of erythrocytosis can't be overstated IMO. So many folks I know IRL who have RBC issues on baby doses. I'm over here pushing big boy doses of test + EQ and I have NEVER had RBC come in over 53% no matter what I do, what compounds I take, etc. And I'll be the first to admit I'm terrible at staying properly hydrated

Hydration has more to do with hematocrit then red blood cell count.

And erythropoietic response to aas is influenced by many genetic and physiological factors. From variations in CAG repeats in AR genes, to EPO gene expression, HIF (oxigen) to more physiological factors as hepcidin expression, iron absorption and utilization, inflammation, etc.

I'm not following the discussion, are you taking telmi? That's a nice number for high EQ. You meant to say hematocrit right? This just occured to me ...

 

[readalot]

RBC

Hct.

Another example of your gifts. Be careful.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Hydration has more to do with hematocrit then red blood cell count.

And erythropoietic response to aas is influenced by many genetic and physiological factors. From variations in CAG repeats in AR genes, to EPO gene expression, HIF (oxigen) to more physiological factors as hepcidin expression, iron absorption and utilization, inflammation, etc.

I'm not following the discussion, are you taking telmi? That's a nice number for high EQ. You meant to say hematocrit right? This just occured to me ...

Whoops, was going fast and yes I meant HCT

I’ve been taking Telmisartan 80mg for a decade

I realize there’s quite a bit of difference between individuals when it comes to drug response

Just hard to ignore the many many anecdotes I have through various coaches of Telmisartan before + after helping regulate their client’s HCT

I guess I should just disclaimer everything as YMMV but I feel like that should be implied with everything said here

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Hct.

Another example of your gifts. Be careful.

Precisely what I meant.

I carefully murdered my leg workout today and then annihilated Buffalo Wild Wings.

Thanks for your concern though, seriously.