100 meter sprinter here. 10.8 second PR (a few months back, so a bit faster now), and my goal is to try to walk on at a D1 school next year. Relatively lean at the moment (~12%), but it's definitely been a struggle getting below that. I've been lifting for 4 years (2.5 years ordinary BB training, 1.5 as an athlete) and sprinting for 1.5. Wondering if a cycle is even worth considering in my position. I'm pretty worried about suppression and shutdown since I'm still young. All are welcome to call me out on my idiocy if it is so - sprinting is pretty littered with doping and I really just want the extra edge in addition to my nutrition and supplementation. Very open to other advice on supplementation, training, etc. I'm currently eating ~170g protein and ~300g carbs a day. (apologies in advance if this was not the right forum to post in. I wasn't sure.)
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I'm not gonna ask which school. But if you're hitting sub 10.8 consistently, I don't see why you couldn't walk on just about anywhere.
I mean, you are a clearly a gifted athlete if you've only been running for 18 months.
The training you'll figure out at school. As far as enhancement for your particular event, I can think of two special supplements that'll take a second off your time in short order. But I don't see the point just yet given how fast you already are and how much faster you are likely to get with regular training.
BTW. How old are you? Also, this isn't idiocy. College athletics is serious shit and you will be competing against enhanced runners. Luckily this is not bodybuilding so you won't need to touch the variety or quantity of drugs that bodybuilders do.
Train hard and be well.
I mean, you are a clearly a gifted athlete if you've only been running for 18 months.
The training you'll figure out at school. As far as enhancement for your particular event, I can think of two special supplements that'll take a second off your time in short order. But I don't see the point just yet given how fast you already are and how much faster you are likely to get with regular training.
BTW. How old are you? Also, this isn't idiocy. College athletics is serious shit and you will be competing against enhanced runners. Luckily this is not bodybuilding so you won't need to touch the variety or quantity of drugs that bodybuilders do.
Train hard and be well.
Hey man, I appreciate the reply. I'm 18 years old.
The school in question is D1 and in the SEC so I'm still kinda worried that I would have trouble earning a spot at my current level. I've been training pretty much all throughout the summer focusing on acceleration and pure speed/strength work as I should be doing in the offseason.
Given that I only plan to try to walk on within a year, I do agree that it's a good idea to see how much more I can improve just continuing what I am doing now; I also don't think it would be a terrible idea to start planning/researching a cycle for later on, if that's the road I choose to go down.
Thanks again for your input
The school in question is D1 and in the SEC so I'm still kinda worried that I would have trouble earning a spot at my current level. I've been training pretty much all throughout the summer focusing on acceleration and pure speed/strength work as I should be doing in the offseason.
Given that I only plan to try to walk on within a year, I do agree that it's a good idea to see how much more I can improve just continuing what I am doing now; I also don't think it would be a terrible idea to start planning/researching a cycle for later on, if that's the road I choose to go down.
Thanks again for your input
Fattyone
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Do these big fancy schools not drug test?
Yes. They drug test.
Juicedhead
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i ran a 10.3 in hs. world class speed here boys my 40 was sub 4.4s consitantly just saying. tbol or anavar
Which college did you end up running for? Did you scholarship all 4 years? Also, "tbol or anavar" isn't exactly thoughtful PED advice.
Juicedhead
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i never ran in college i never went to college i got offers from two small schools in the midwest for partials but i wanted to be a pro bodybuilder so i pursued that and worked for my dad he owned a construction company before he died in 2018 and the company dissolved. Looking back i wish i would have went to college but i was so in love with bodybuilding thats all i ever thought about and thats all i wanted to do my fantasy was to live in a cabin in the woods, have a massive personal gym will all peices selected by me, take gear and literally LIVE bodybuilding that was what iwantd to do when i wa younger. stupid i know belueve it or not as fast as i was i was a btter wrestler and an even better football player i have a lot of records at my hs for track, football, wrestling, and weight lifting thst still stand i graduated in 2011 . My most proud records id say are fastest pin 7 seconds during a single mat meet against a really good wrestler. head tossed his ass and pinned him as soon as the wistle blew. no one will beat that record haha.
Juicedhead
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yoiure right sorry to answer your question if youre looking for more speed without getting popped for peds id look into SARMs or possibly EO? It will help you from gasing out. I was on tbol when i ran the 10.3 60mg a day
Edit: wait why is tbol or anavar not good advice? I think an oral is the better option for him wouldnt you agree? I said tbol or anavar becase tbol made me very fast and lean i was just so explosive off the line and just overall much faster I think tbol is a great option to gain speed
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EO?
laclark89
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I think he ment eq? Unless dudes tryin to pinn straight Ethel oleate lol
Juicedhead
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Erythroposis or whatever the the fuck lance armstrong got busted for it could help a 100m or 200m sprinter sustain max speed longer
Edit: sorry guys EPO i meant
Edit: sorry guys EPO i meant
ah. Makes sense.
OP. I think the way tested athletes do it is that they take very short acting compounds which clear the system quickly. They’ll use them for a discrete training cycle when they know they won’t be tested, for the purposes of enhancing recovery and neuromuscular gains. They know how long the testable metabolites stick around and plan it so they’re clean by the time they get tested (applying for university or whatever - I don’t know how it works in your country).
The problem is that people on a forum like this can’t tell you what compounds have what clearance times. Coaches make a lot of money out of keeping this information to themselves.
FYI, EQ is not a suitable compound for this purpose as it sticks around for many months.
Juicedhead
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yeah i mean EPO sorry i agree EQ would not be a good option but it kind of does the same thing as EPO because EQ increases EPO except EPO itselft is in and out. OP have you looked into GW? Its a sarm for endurance. Or what would your testing look like? how often? im pretty sure gear in college athletes is common bevause some schools only test at the beginging of the season and if you make playoffs for football anyway but track? shit they may not even test unless youre a top guy
I have looked into some sarms and especially cardarine, but I ultimately mostly decided against sarms in general considering the majority consensus of them in the meso forum. I still have to look into the testing in more specific context but I think that like you said, it’s usually the top performers that get tested consistently.
I’ll try to reply to the other responses soon, had quite a lot going on this week. My bad
Juicedhead
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Ok so i did some research and all i could find was that d2-d3 are hardly tested and d1 they randomly test guys who they think could be juicing or aka the top guys as much as every other week so it just depends where you are planning on walking on to. But if you wanted to take something to just make the track team i dont think they would test you unless you look like youre on someting. i mean youre telling me reggie bush wasent on anything when he ran that 4.3 at his pro day? and skipped the combine? probalby cuz they test at the combine and pro days they most likley dont becasue its put on by the school and not the NFL. i think steroids are more common in college than in pro
SpeedCipher
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Fellow sprinter here. The SEC values versatility. If you have a good 200 or can run a solid 4x4 leg you’ll greatly increase your chances. What is your PB in the 200? Wish you the best of luck. Keep chasing goals!
UncleBuns
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Look man, this is not the place for advice on your situation. In general guys here know nothing about passing drug tests. They can give you all kinds of advice on drugs to use but you are unlikely to find good info on navigating a high level PED drug test. If you pop positive you are going to be royally fucked and your times, training, plans will mean nothing. Modern PED testing is very advanced and requires expert advise to navigate, forum bioscience is not going to cut it.
You're 18, do you really need drugs for your current goal? If you go to that route know that you will probably become dependent on them to hold your athletic level and inevitably you will pop positive and ruin your career.
My advice is to spend that money on thorough blood testing to see if your deficient and anything, to spend that money on a good coach, and to spend that money on good food, time so you can sleep well, and time so you can train hard.
Stay clean and natty right now and if you end up getting towards the big leagues the people and opportunities to use PEDs will present themselves. At the level you're at now trying to do it on your own you are very likely to fuck it up big time.
If you think you have a chance at this then you should go for it and and really focus your life on training sleep diet and getting the absolute best coach available to you. At 18 and with your current training history you still have A LOT of ground to make as a natural if you focus and apply yourself correctly. Don't blow this opportunity for "EaSy GaInS". It is not worth the risk at this point in time.
Dave Tate gave a really great take on making the decision to get on gear as a young athlete at some CrossFit event like a million years ago. I’m sure there’s a video somewhere. Essentially, it’s a trump card that you get to flip once and only once in your life. If you need to get on gear to make the team in high school, you’re not gonna be playing in college. If you need it for college, you won’t go pro, and so on.
Ultimately it’s an individual decision, but there is a rationale if you’re a competitive athlete: if you don’t absolutely need to be on gear to either make or maintain a certain level, do the other shit first. When you’ve exhausted the options, and taking the risk (say, of failing a test) is worth it to you, then you do it. But until then, it’s taking a risk you don’t have to take. That puts aside all of the abstract questions of fairness, ethics, and integrity that most of our society gets caught up on with steroids.
If you are dead set on running D1 track, and you can do it without steroids, why even take the risk? If you try to walk on and fail, recalculate — is it worth making the team to piss hot and be kicked out of school and have that talk with mom and dad. Maybe it is.
(Found the video of Tate… the guy is a hell of a communicator:
View: https://youtu.be/pBOpXBfw0sE?si=89A7X-zHVyYayoQp
)
Ultimately it’s an individual decision, but there is a rationale if you’re a competitive athlete: if you don’t absolutely need to be on gear to either make or maintain a certain level, do the other shit first. When you’ve exhausted the options, and taking the risk (say, of failing a test) is worth it to you, then you do it. But until then, it’s taking a risk you don’t have to take. That puts aside all of the abstract questions of fairness, ethics, and integrity that most of our society gets caught up on with steroids.
If you are dead set on running D1 track, and you can do it without steroids, why even take the risk? If you try to walk on and fail, recalculate — is it worth making the team to piss hot and be kicked out of school and have that talk with mom and dad. Maybe it is.
(Found the video of Tate… the guy is a hell of a communicator:
View: https://youtu.be/pBOpXBfw0sE?si=89A7X-zHVyYayoQp
)
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