Suggestions for a 44-year old primarily interested in aesthetics

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Hello everyone!

I'm a long time member, but haven't posted much as I was living in Manhattan until recently dealing with the fallout of COVID. Lockdowns began literally a month before my 42nd birthday, and needless to say - my body is far from what it was in say January of 2021. I started training 19 years ago, ran my first cycle 11 years ago, and before COVID - I would always tell people to hit the weights before resorting to gear.

Problem is, now I'm old. And while I look far better than most my age, I still do not look anywhere near as athletic as I once did. I work in commercial real estate, and now conferences and meetings are happening on the regular. Mine is a cutthroat business, and appearances matter. Several big conferences are happening in August, and my efforts thus far have proven futile. I'm now in the suburbs, and I'm shocked how much strength I lost now that I'm back at the gym.

While I don't have a wife or children and don't plan on ever going that route, prescription TRT so far is helping but slow going (test levels before TRT were 475, slightly below average but I have a doc who didn't care).

I never aspired to be obscenely huge. I'm 6'-2", and at my peak perhaps 3-5 years ago I was 220 at 10% bodyfat. Incredibly, I'm down to 195. Still low bodyfat, though I haven't measured it. Wear the same pants I've had for 5-10 years. Suit jackets obviously are now ill fitting. We're talking 10 moderately priced suits averaging say $2,000 each. Sucks.

The question is this - it seems like the older you get, it is safer to run essentially everything at lower doses for longer periods of time. I don't care about the risk of shutdown as I'm ready to be on TRT for life as my career quite literally depends on it.

My first choice is to run 6 months of primo at 200mg per week, perhaps with HGH. I have had great success with primo in the past, even at 400-600mg per week, but more than a few indicate long-term usage at lower doses works equally well.

The other options are 200mg of deca or 100mg of tren hex/ethanate per week. The long-lasting metabolites of nandrolone have long been known to me, and I have never actually used deca nor npp. I used a lot of tren early on, and I'm not sure even at a low dose it's particularly wise at my age.

Needless to say, probably monthly blood work will be performed. Many studies I have read indicate the older you get, the more your bone marrow responds to androgens increasing red blood cell production. I don't want to be popping blood thinners any time I fly across the country.

I am leaning towards the primo option, unless anyone suggests it's folly. Any suggestions of other ancillaries, mitigating activities, or even telling me to shelve the idea are welcome. Remember, my primary goal here is to regain a youthful appearance only for the nest 2-3 years as I rebuild my professional relationships. My bodybuilding/beast days are over.

Opinions on non-AAS compounds are welcome: blood pressure med cocktails, metformin, vasodilators like labetalol or low dose Cialis, metformin, blood thinners for travel, aesthetic enhancing drugs I'm unaware of, etc. I'm open to all suggestions, just don't tell me to run a gram of primo a week or 100mg of tren ace a day!

Thank you to everyone for reading this, and I look forward to your responses!

Cheers!
 
First off. You aren't old. But I understand your health concerns and will respect it.

I would say trt+200mg of mast or primo.
and maybe 3-4iu of hgh/ED would be good for you.

40-60mg of Anavar ED for 6-8 weeks would also be a good option for you as well.


You don't need blood thinners for erythrocytosis. mainly for thrombocytosis .


Some trt+ or sports trt groups like from Broderick follow 3mg/kg of AAS to minimize damage and obtain goals.


Best of luck!
 
Like mentioned above, at 42 you are definitely not old but are entering the prime of your life.
You got this.

At 54, I've also wanted to add primo to my 250 test and 2/3 gh but lots of comments on this forum talk about its negative impact on hair.
If you add it, let me know what you experience in that regard.
 
In the same situation. Been advised by my trainer to hop on 250 Test + 200 NPP for 10 wks. After reading a bit more, i have second thoughts about NPP though.
 
Have you considered a cycle of 400mg of test per week with 3 units of hgh per day? Get blood work done every 3 months.
 
Test + Primo or Test+Anavar (low dose) are one of my favorits if you try to minimize any sides and keep your health in check.

Now, what does that mean? You can make some huge changes in body composition with low dose Test + Anavar. I consider 10-20mg Anavar daily low dose. In your case I wouldn't go any higher, also I personally would keep the TRT Test year around and throw in anavar 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off. Imho the best deal.

You can do the same with Primo if you dont like orals. Keep the test at TRT and add in 100-200mg Primo for 8 weeks, 4 weeks off and start again.
 
Hello everyone!

I'm a long time member, but haven't posted much as I was living in Manhattan until recently dealing with the fallout of COVID. Lockdowns began literally a month before my 42nd birthday, and needless to say - my body is far from what it was in say January of 2021. I started training 19 years ago, ran my first cycle 11 years ago, and before COVID - I would always tell people to hit the weights before resorting to gear.

Problem is, now I'm old. And while I look far better than most my age, I still do not look anywhere near as athletic as I once did. I work in commercial real estate, and now conferences and meetings are happening on the regular. Mine is a cutthroat business, and appearances matter. Several big conferences are happening in August, and my efforts thus far have proven futile. I'm now in the suburbs, and I'm shocked how much strength I lost now that I'm back at the gym.

While I don't have a wife or children and don't plan on ever going that route, prescription TRT so far is helping but slow going (test levels before TRT were 475, slightly below average but I have a doc who didn't care).

I never aspired to be obscenely huge. I'm 6'-2", and at my peak perhaps 3-5 years ago I was 220 at 10% bodyfat. Incredibly, I'm down to 195. Still low bodyfat, though I haven't measured it. Wear the same pants I've had for 5-10 years. Suit jackets obviously are now ill fitting. We're talking 10 moderately priced suits averaging say $2,000 each. Sucks.

The question is this - it seems like the older you get, it is safer to run essentially everything at lower doses for longer periods of time. I don't care about the risk of shutdown as I'm ready to be on TRT for life as my career quite literally depends on it.

My first choice is to run 6 months of primo at 200mg per week, perhaps with HGH. I have had great success with primo in the past, even at 400-600mg per week, but more than a few indicate long-term usage at lower doses works equally well.

The other options are 200mg of deca or 100mg of tren hex/ethanate per week. The long-lasting metabolites of nandrolone have long been known to me, and I have never actually used deca nor npp. I used a lot of tren early on, and I'm not sure even at a low dose it's particularly wise at my age.

Needless to say, probably monthly blood work will be performed. Many studies I have read indicate the older you get, the more your bone marrow responds to androgens increasing red blood cell production. I don't want to be popping blood thinners any time I fly across the country.

I am leaning towards the primo option, unless anyone suggests it's folly. Any suggestions of other ancillaries, mitigating activities, or even telling me to shelve the idea are welcome. Remember, my primary goal here is to regain a youthful appearance only for the nest 2-3 years as I rebuild my professional relationships. My bodybuilding/beast days are over.

Opinions on non-AAS compounds are welcome: blood pressure med cocktails, metformin, vasodilators like labetalol or low dose Cialis, metformin, blood thinners for travel, aesthetic enhancing drugs I'm unaware of, etc. I'm open to all suggestions, just don't tell me to run a gram of primo a week or 100mg of tren ace a day!

Thank you to everyone for reading this, and I look forward to your responses!

Cheers!
Hey dude,

I can say a few things as not only have I gone through basically this scenario (and am still a work in progress myself) and a significant portion of my clients are this scenario or something similar.

Tons that could be said so I'll try to keep it brief-ish. Obviously some of this is individual and would be modified as well based on blood work and perception of accepted risk, etc. But in general terms:

Based on what you've said, before worrying about PEDs obviously step one would be dialing in your training/nutrition/etc., and taking steps to dial in joint health with a collagen and anti-inflammatory protocol etc.

But, assuming that's all dialed in etc, when it comes to PED use, I would initially attempt to assess or maximum tolerable dose of Test by titrating up while at maintenance or in a slight surplus.

After that, if a higher dose of AAS is needed, Primo would very much be the first option. Nandrolone would only be an option as a joint pain aid only A) if needed, B) everything else joint related is completely dialed in, and C) even then at a very low dose.

I am very big on minimum effective doses and hitting multiple pathways, etc. So, GH would be there from the start, as well as insulin sensitizers, things like Telmisartan for PPAR agonism and a myriad of other benefits, Injectable L-Car, Thyroid optimization as needed, The list goes on.

As far as orals in this situation, I am a huge fan of very low doses of Var for men our age. Outside of that, unless trying to get ready for a competition, Tbol and the occasional short run of Anadrol if really desired are the only other options I'd really consider.

It takes some work and nuance but it is very possible to do very safe and very effective, smart PED use for guys our age-ish trying to make a huge change or get back to where they were, with a focus on longevity, joint health, youthfulness, etc.

Obv there's a ton to discuss as far as training, nutrition, supplementation, optimizing sleep, antioxidants etc., but as far as PED use which is mostly what you're asking about that's the gist of it. Hope it's useful!
 
Test and Var are my go to AAS. I'll be 44 next month so im in the same situation you are. Test is about the safest thing you can do PED wise and your already on it for TRT purposes. I would increase the dose slowly for a few weeks and see if you make any noticeable changes in strength or body composition.

Once you've established a good test dose then adding in Anavar is a good option. You could run it low dose as mentioned above or run it 25-50/day for 5-6 weeks followed by going back to TRT dose/bloods a month after cessation of the var. It's really up to the individual and your tolerance and response to the drugs.

Hitting up the red cross before and after your run will eliminate the worry about high H&H counts. Do a double red donation. That's done every 112 days. They'll take 2 units of red cells and return the rest to you with added saline. Positive is it will lower your hematocrit by 3-7 points and you won't lose any blood volume. Can literally train the next day with no issues. I go twice a year. Once before my summer cycle in the spring and once in the fall once its over.

Nothing against HGH but i believe its best left for the pro's or under a doctors care. Especially for older men as you've gotta watch your blood sugar on the drug. A lot of men go down that rabbit hole and then wind up needing/wanting to add insulin to control sugars and adding IGF1 to the mix. That can quickly turn into pin cushion central harpooning your self multiple times a day. If you have experience with GH or a have run it with success in the past than maybe 3-4 I.U's a day would help recovery/well being?

Nandrolone's i'd stay away from IMHO. I dont like the recent studies on cardiac remodeling and LVH that's been shown with the drug. As someone whose dealt with injuries and currently dealing with tennis elbow i would LOVE to add deca/npp but i feel the risks outweigh the benefits. We're not 20 anymore and as you mentioned health/weallness and longevity is the name of the game.

I have no experience with mast or primo so i cant give any advice in that regard. The only other AAS i used were TBOL as a kickstart years ago and Boldenone. Bold was great for endurance but i cant say much else than that. Ran it at 600mg/600mg Test and really wasn't very impressed TBH. Not saying it doesn't have its place just didn't seem worth it to me.

Best of luck filling those suites out. Find your stride and take it slowly. You not only wanna look good this august but the following one as well!
 
You'll need to run something watery like test, dbol, deca etc... to quickly add water weight to your muscles and that'll let you fill your suits.

But the corollary to this is they will also fill your face with water and your facial aesthetics will be ruined by bloat.

Up to you if that's worth the trade off.
For me it's not. I'd consider a return to 220 lbs a goal for next August, not this one, one month is not enough time to really put on "dry" weight.
 
Hey dude,

I can say a few things as not only have I gone through basically this scenario (and am still a work in progress myself) and a significant portion of my clients are this scenario or something similar.

Tons that could be said so I'll try to keep it brief-ish. Obviously some of this is individual and would be modified as well based on blood work and perception of accepted risk, etc. But in general terms:

Based on what you've said, before worrying about PEDs obviously step one would be dialing in your training/nutrition/etc., and taking steps to dial in joint health with a collagen and anti-inflammatory protocol etc.

But, assuming that's all dialed in etc, when it comes to PED use, I would initially attempt to assess or maximum tolerable dose of Test by titrating up while at maintenance or in a slight surplus.

After that, if a higher dose of AAS is needed, Primo would very much be the first option. Nandrolone would only be an option as a joint pain aid only A) if needed, B) everything else joint related is completely dialed in, and C) even then at a very low dose.

I am very big on minimum effective doses and hitting multiple pathways, etc. So, GH would be there from the start, as well as insulin sensitizers, things like Telmisartan for PPAR agonism and a myriad of other benefits, Injectable L-Car, Thyroid optimization as needed, The list goes on.

As far as orals in this situation, I am a huge fan of very low doses of Var for men our age. Outside of that, unless trying to get ready for a competition, Tbol and the occasional short run of Anadrol if really desired are the only other options I'd really consider.

It takes some work and nuance but it is very possible to do very safe and very effective, smart PED use for guys our age-ish trying to make a huge change or get back to where they were, with a focus on longevity, joint health, youthfulness, etc.

Obv there's a ton to discuss as far as training, nutrition, supplementation, optimizing sleep, antioxidants etc., but as far as PED use which is mostly what you're asking about that's the gist of it. Hope it's useful!
This was a really great post. I appreciate it.

Diet is definitely in check - I went from a 550 square foot apartment to a 4,000 square foot house. My kitchen is bigger than my apartment was in Manhattan!

My progress has been acceptable, just not fast enough as I hoped. A decade ago, I would have been slamming 100mg each of test, tren and mast every other day, but I know that's a bad idea. I was able to keep a solid physique with only primo/test cycles for 5 years before covid. I didn't realize how much of that was maintenance as I stopped training for gains.

HGH looks to be at least $1,000 per month, probably $2,000. But if that means $50,000 in more income, I'm sold.

My plan before this was just to stick to 200mg of test and then add 100mg of Primo twice a week for 20 weeks. Maybe that plus 6 months of HGH will be adequate. I ran 3ius per day for 6 months in 2015 to deal with a shoulder injury, and it was amazing. But it may make sense to go to a doctor, and I can afford it.

Telmisartan I do take for blood pressure already, so that's set. I didn't have my thyroid checked, but I can get my own bloods done.

Thank you everyone for the positive comments regarding my primo plan, anavar as an option, as well as HGH. And also thank you everyone for the nandrolone concerns. I just wanted to make sure I was up to speed.


You'll need to run something watery like test, dbol, deca etc... to quickly add water weight to your muscles and that'll let you fill your suits.

But the corollary to this is they will also fill your face with water and your facial aesthetics will be ruined by bloat.

Up to you if that's worth the trade off.
For me it's not. I'd consider a return to 220 lbs a goal for next August, not this one, one month is not enough time to really put on "dry" weight.

Yeah I did think of this, but my facial structure is definitely in the 95th percentile, so I can't risk dbol at my age. Though I loved it with my first cycle.

I can buy two cheap suits and two expensive suits to tide me over. The days of wearing a suit to the office every day are gone. And getting back to 220 by next year is going to require meticulous discipline.
 
Other 40s guys:

Have you quit drinking and other intoxicants?

Do you use anything for energy that is not a CNS (i.e. amphetamine, analogues thereof, cocaine, etc.)?

Any other vitamin or peptide injections that are worthwhile and not dodgy gray market?

I'm additionally figuring out life not in Manhattan, so I don't even have the time to train crazy anymore. I've really found I just can't drink, which is probably for the best.

Still don't have peak energy like 2+ years ago, though TRT helped. Sort of unrelated. But I really appreciate the great contributions.
 
This was a really great post. I appreciate it.

Diet is definitely in check - I went from a 550 square foot apartment to a 4,000 square foot house. My kitchen is bigger than my apartment was in Manhattan!

My progress has been acceptable, just not fast enough as I hoped. A decade ago, I would have been slamming 100mg each of test, tren and mast every other day, but I know that's a bad idea. I was able to keep a solid physique with only primo/test cycles for 5 years before covid. I didn't realize how much of that was maintenance as I stopped training for gains.

HGH looks to be at least $1,000 per month, probably $2,000. But if that means $50,000 in more income, I'm sold.

My plan before this was just to stick to 200mg of test and then add 100mg of Primo twice a week for 20 weeks. Maybe that plus 6 months of HGH will be adequate. I ran 3ius per day for 6 months in 2015 to deal with a shoulder injury, and it was amazing. But it may make sense to go to a doctor, and I can afford it.

Telmisartan I do take for blood pressure already, so that's set. I didn't have my thyroid checked, but I can get my own bloods done.

Thank you everyone for the positive comments regarding my primo plan, anavar as an option, as well as HGH. And also thank you everyone for the nandrolone concerns. I just wanted to make sure I was up to speed.




Yeah I did think of this, but my facial structure is definitely in the 95th percentile, so I can't risk dbol at my age. Though I loved it with my first cycle.

I can buy two cheap suits and two expensive suits to tide me over. The days of wearing a suit to the office every day are gone. And getting back to 220 by next year is going to require meticulous discipline.
Glad it was helpful.

Like I alluded to, I think titrating up Test rather than just arbitrarily adding primo is a better option.

Anyway, it sounds like you're going pharma route for GH, which is fine if you can afford it, but FWIW my GH bill amounts to about $30-40 a month...
 
Test, Primo, GH. Maybe throw in some var if you want. I’m big on GH, and think it should be part of everyone’s stack, especially as you get older. If you’re worried about blood glucose then use metformin, which I use for that, and it has a lot of other benefits, along with telmisartan.
 
Can’t go wrong with the suggestions in this thread. OP, you’re not old and if you run even the most basic cycle and prioritize nutrition/training, your 40’s might just be your best look to date.

HGH at your age is where it starts to truly shine.

Good luck!
 
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