SymBiotics (U.S. domestic)

[Pineapples4Puss]

I really don’t know what to do. The vials that I got that looked clean, I inspected extremely well, for probably a longer time then most would have. Part of me wants to trust that they are fine, but after seeing all these replies idk what to think anymore

I think even the vials with floaters are sterile just based on the chemicals in the brew as that’s what the alcohol is for.m unless I am wrong I remember seeing it in a thread in home brew. but it’s unacceptable and lazy to send product out like that.

I am very curious as to people who aren’t aware of this happening and are currently injecting.

If he hasn’t brewed since June and nobody came back with a miss piece of flesh yet I’m sure it’s ok for the most part, but do not underplay the mistake.

as of those with no floaters what is your plan? Toss? Refilter? Has anyone had medical issues as of now?

 

[Mdrock98]

I was wondering the same thing. I get that this is definitely an issue and is unacceptable, but has anyone actually gotten an infection or had a bad experience with his gear? Honestly, I do a brief glance of my vials, but I definitely don’t do a thorough inspection. Is there any way to tell how many people have already gone through vials with these floaters? I’m not trying to excuse this. I just have a hard time believing this was the very first floater in a vial and I don’t recall seeing any posts about people getting infections from sym’s gear.

I’m with you on this on a certain degree. Are we forgetting he been solid in the past for quite sometime..

 

[bigpoppachump2]

Really hoping for batch numbers and time frame as well. Hopefully Sym will chime in soon.



While highly unfortunate it seems that your opinion is that no one should pin gear from within the time frame even if it "appears clean". Especially not those with other health conditions or immune suppressed.

Not worth risking serious infection or other health issues.

For someone immunocompromised like yourself I would say ni especially. Someone else willing to be brave thats on them.

I'll let everyone in on a little secret. I'm almost ashamed to admit it since I'm supposed to be a vet here. I've been injecting at a minimum once a week for 8 years now and truth be told I got complacent and sloppy with my sterilization procedures before and up to iniection. Well I wound up with sepsis aka a blood infection that almost killed me. I injected that morning and by lunch I was shivering so badly that I left work to try and make it home. The fever and shivering to the point of paralysis got so bad that I pulled over on a major highway and called a ambulance which took many tries since I couldn't coordinate my fingers to perform the task. By the time the ambulance showed up I was completely paralyzed by convulsing and they took me out of the car frozen in the seated position. It was super scary not being able to breath and being on fire like that. And that was from using a clean needle fresh from the pack etc etc but maybe the surface I used wasnt clean enough or I didnt wipe thoroughly enough with my alcohol wipe idk but something was off and I almost paid with my life. So yeah I wouldn't touch syms shit with a 10ft pole and my opinion is neither should anyone else.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

But if it were me I would trash it. Some contamination can dissolve into the gear and be missed d by filtration I would think. If there is known crap showing up in the vials I would not feel all peachy about that gear, ever. It would wind up sitting in my sock drawer for years until I finally just tossed it.

0.22 microns is the same sized filter that all brewers and UGLs use. That’s the filter that’s in a zap cap that makes it totally sterile after they mix a batch.

 

[Mdrock98]

For someone immunocompromised like yourself I would say ni especially. Someone else willing to be brave thats on them.

I'll let everyone in on a little secret. I'm almost ashamed to admit it since I'm supposed to be a vet here. I've been injecting at a minimum once a week for 8 years now and truth be told I got complacent and sloppy with my sterilization procedures before and up to iniection. Well I wound up with sepsis aka a blood infection that almost killed me. I injected that morning and by lunch I was shivering so badly that I left work to try and make it home. The fever and shivering to the point of paralysis got so bad that I pulled over on a major highway and called a ambulance which took many tries since I couldn't coordinate my fingers to perform the task. By the time the ambulance showed up I was completely paralyzed by convulsing and they took me out of the car frozen in the seated position. It was super scary not being able to breath and being on fire like that. And that was from using a clean needle fresh from the pack etc etc but maybe the surface I used wasnt clean enough or I didnt wipe thoroughly enough with my alcohol wipe idk but something was off and I almost paid with my life. So yeah I wouldn't touch syms shit with a 10ft pole and my opinion is neither should anyone else.

Oh my god. Glad your ok.

 

[Blange89]

Any reviews on Sym’s primo such as pip or what not? As mentioned, gotta use a lot of it to see good results so to me it’s important that’s it’s smooth

I’m stocked up on primo for the next apocalypse and have a lot of another source’s who’s is in gso and also grabbed some from Sym who’s is in mct to compare but would be nice to see an actually review in this thread.

Of course I will compare and report back but it’s going to be a bit

Def has pip but totally tolerable. Nothing like dhb

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

I was wondering the same thing. I get that this is definitely an issue and is unacceptable, but has anyone actually gotten an infection or had a bad experience with his gear? Honestly, I do a brief glance of my vials, but I definitely don’t do a thorough inspection. Is there any way to tell how many people have already gone through vials with these floaters? I’m not trying to excuse this. I just have a hard time believing this was the very first floater in a vial and I don’t recall seeing any posts about people getting infections from sym’s gear.

Def has pip but totally tolerable. Nothing like dhb

you fucking guys talking about the primo still read a few pages back.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

That's the conundrum. The only ways to stay as safe is possible is the brew your own gear or filter all finished oils you buy yourself. Some guys actually do that and my hats off to them for taking that extra step to ensure their safety.

So when you refilter you obviously have to sterilize the vials before the oils go back in? I feel like most people will end up making it worse and finding new vials crimps etc is not worth it.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

So when you refilter you obviously have to sterilize the vials before the oils go back in? I feel like most people will end up making it worse and finding new vials crimps etc is not worth it.

Amazon has pre-sterile pre-capped pre-crimped vials. You just take the plastic dust cap off and inject into it thru a 0.20 micron syringe filter.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

Amazon has pre-sterile pre-capped pre-crimped vials. You just take the plastic dust cap off and inject into it thru a 0.20 micron syringe filter.

That was a fat spoon full. Thank you.I think this should be readily made known to everyone.. I can’t imagine the number of packs shipped out or vials used since the incident happened if he stopped brewing in JUNE. Thank god no infections. Good sign I guess.

 

[Akimopio]

Looks like I’m just gonna buy some sterile vials and transfer all of them using syringe filters. Minimize the risk as much as possible

 

[justanoob]

you fucking guys talking about the primo still read a few pages back.

This made me laugh, thank you.

 

[Akimopio]

Amazon has pre-sterile pre-capped pre-crimped vials. You just take the plastic dust cap off and inject into it thru a 0.20 micron syringe filter.

What’s the best source for the .20 filter? I found the vials on amazon but I don’t want to buy the wrong filters

 

[justanoob]

Amazon has pre-sterile pre-capped pre-crimped vials. You just take the plastic dust cap off and inject into it thru a 0.20 micron syringe filter.

Yeah I have never been spoon fed like this before but thank you for it. I honestly had no idea what you guys were talking about when you said re filter the product. I’m still unsure about using the vials that looked clean, and I’m also unsure if I’m going to re filter them if I decide to use them. I probably won’t get an answer but since you were in the spoon feeding mood, If you were in my shoes, what would you do?

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

What’s the best source for the .20 filter? I found the vials on amazon but I don’t want to buy the wrong filters

I can only find 2 ml vials?

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Looks like I’m just gonna buy some sterile vials and transfer all of them using syringe filters. Minimize the risk as much as possible

That was a fat spoon full. Thank you.I think this should be readily made known to everyone.. I can’t imagine the number of packs shipped out or vials used since the incident happened if he stopped brewing in JUNE. Thank god no infections. Good sign I guess.

^^^^ There you go @Tiredandhot

This jackass that thinks his opinions are the only ones that matter is helping guys by providing a REAL solution to this issue. I have nothing invested in it other than I care about this community. Do you know how many PMs I’ve answered on this same thing?

When you pop in and see me fighting with @Dianabol Skull Duster do you look at his post history? What has he done. Dude is a troll. Do you look at what @Connor 25257 has posted?

I’m not fighting just for the sake of fighting like CDNGuy. It actually was a kick in my balls that you saw it that way. I do all of this as a hobby because it interests me. I don’t get anything else out of it.

 

[bigpoppachump2]

0.22 microns is the same sized filter that all brewers and UGLs use. That’s the filter that’s in a zap cap that makes it totally sterile after they mix a batch.

We'll just have to settle on our views being different on this one. I ain't gonna fight on the matter, I may be overly cautious and off base but I've dealt with injection issues and they are far from cool. To me once contamination is confirmed its junk dont risk it. But to the person who wants to filter the gear and go for it that's totally on him and depending on the investment made I might understand but to the guy whos got 3 vials of test e for a first cycle to me that's a no brainer toss it.

 

[cochino]

I think certain hombres were too quick to crown this guy as the messiah. Look I get it. We all want a good UGL. they are not easy to come by, but sometimes we need to remind ourselves that what they are doing is illegal and they damn well know it. At the end of the day they don't care about you. No, they care about themselves, their family, the people that are close to them. It sickens me to some of you stop just short sucking their dicks. We have the power. We are the customers and we are always right even when we aren't. Realize these guys aren't mass producing and marking a product up at 10%. No, they're taking something that is dirt cheap to produce and turning in a tidy profit.
We have some members here that are trying to help and others that are selfish or just don't care. This is place is about harm reduction not sucking the sources dick. I saw enough of that in the TGI thread.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

We'll just have to settle on our views being different on this one. I ain't gonna fight on the matter, I may be overly cautious and off base but I've dealt with injection issues and they are far from cool. To me once contamination is confirmed its junk dont risk it. But to the person who wants to filter the gear and go for it that's totally on him and depending on the investment made I might understand but to the guy whos got 3 vials of test e for a first cycle to me that's a no brainer toss it.

Look it up in the home brew section. All brewers and UGLs use 0.22 micron filters. There’s no other magic to this. It’ll remove the fibers and also filter out bacteria. The stuff you get is filtered the same exact way.

 

[Connor 25257]

Also, I’m not choosing a side here. Because I can’t defend this huge mistake that has happened. But at the same time, looking through a lot of other UGLs, I see that a lot of them have had the same issue at some point or another. Some have recovered and kept a lot of their consumer base. Others, not so much. This doesn’t pertain to sym directly, but I was recently looking through the anabolic lab archive and saw that some labs had micro contamination in their vials when they were tested *not surprised that one of them was Hilma * but they seem to still have a lot of consumers! A lot of which, aren’t even from the United States. While this is a SERIOUS issue. I really hope that sym can pull through. Obviously I don’t fucking know the guy in real life. For all I know he could be the biggest money whore in existence. But from what I’ve seen and from past experience, I think he will try to get things right. *or at least I would hope* there will be people who no longer buy from him because of this, but I’m damn certain there will be people who still do. It’s going to depend on how this situation is handled.

ps: yea, I get it....I stay “dogging” on Hilma. Hate me for that if you will. Just judging off experience as well as some fucking goon off of a “what’s app” *big mike I think is his name* chat sells Hilma products. The dude is a moron, he was selling some bunk ass gear a while back under the name syntholan technologies *a Hilma sister company* and the gear was founded to be contaminated with floaters and completely bunk. Even the testosterone was not real. Although that does not pertain to sym.....I think it’s at the least a comparison to go off of *at least because of contamination, not a bunk product*