SymBiotics (U.S. domestic)

Meso's new source standards. If you brew floater gear dont worry, just tag it as semi-finished gear or better yet just say I'm not filtering it buy it if you want to.

Come back greyscale, venom and little bear labs we desperately need sources.
Suggest something then
 
Suggest something then
I would suggest using a different source.

He's come in here and apologized and that's pretty much it. He refuses to refilter but will allow customers to do it even though its clearly his fuck up.

He had members defending him and telling him everythings OK before he had a response. Its like an uncensored source board at times.

Everyone can obviously make their own choice but it stinks of desperation in here but he did apologize.
 
I suggest no one buy this crap.
That’s kinda the point who gives a fuck what he does if he clearly says it needs to be filtered and explains the situation if he’s being open about the situation and not being shady and lying what difference does it make if he’s selling it as a unfinished oil.. It’s an open board. It’s the service he is offering. Just stop buying it if you don’t like it. People saying that he shouldn’t be selling it okay then don’t buy it. Let someone else do it. If nobody does well there ya go. It’s literally beating a dead horse at this point for the sake of being dramatic. Move on with it. It isn’t standards of meso. Meso is simply the mediator between us and sym. Has zero to do with meso this place isn’t a source board, it just happens to have a place for sources To advertise. It’s up to the consumer to vet and keep em in place. Without orders sym doesn’t exist. Remember that.
 
As I’ve stated before, I’m speaking from personal experience with this source. I’ve had multiple orders with sym, I’ve also had order issues with sym which were always resolved immediately, he has up to date testing on every compound he offers. I’ve pinned plenty of his oils without any issues whatsoever. Comparing him to greyscale big bear and venom just isn’t accurate. I hate to seem like I’m defending him but I guess I am because I’ve only had good experiences with this source. I’m done with being A dickrider/shill for now. Hopefully this bullshit comes to a resolution soon
 
Sell the old stock labeled as “I fucked up” semi-finished. Basically like a factory outlet store, but with the added risk of it being something you inject. (Ok so not apples to apples with like the JCrew outlet, but you get the idea) Sell it at a 15% discount and include in every order new, unopened filters and vials. It’s not like he doesn’t have a shitload of those laying around anyway. He can keep from trashing his whole stock (a large percentage of which is likely still good) and buyers will knowingly take the risk. Harm reduction doesn’t mean keeping everyone from making mistakes, it means giving members all the information that’s available and letting them decide if they are willing to take a known risk. For many this idea won’t be attractive. Good, that’s their call. For others they may look at it like an easy way to get what they want at a lower cost and with a little more work and risk on their end. Let members decide. At some point whatever Sym does is going to be judged by the market here. We all know that he sold vials with floaters. It’s not a secret. It’s a known variable and that means buyers are better off today than they were 10 days ago.
 
I can't believe that people on Meso are actually suggesting that a source should knowingly sell contaminated gear.

Unreal. So much for the moral high ground.

No one has to buy it. I won’t but some people might want a discount to filter it themselves.
As I’ve stated before, I’m speaking from personal experience with this source. I’ve had multiple orders with sym, I’ve also had order issues with sym which were always resolved immediately, he has up to date testing on every compound he offers. I’ve pinned plenty of his oils without any issues whatsoever. Comparing him to greyscale big bear and venom just isn’t accurate. I hate to seem like I’m defending him but I guess I am because I’ve only had good experiences with this source. I’m done with being A dickrider/shill for now. Hopefully this bullshit comes to a resolution soon

To be fair big bear didn’t have any floaters, he would just forget to ship the pack lol.
 
Can’t and won’t disagree with you on either point. I think it’s sad that Meso has sunk to accepting the garbage we’ve been fed over this past year with sources.

Up here on the Canadian side we have a ton of good sources (some on Meso, some not).

I have a feeling that's partially because our notoriously hard-ass customs checkpoints make ordering internationally a crap-shoot. Lots of international suppliers won't even ship here because of the seizure rate, and if they do, no re-ship.
 
Up here on the Canadian side we have a ton of good sources (some on Meso, some not).

I have a feeling that's partially because our notoriously hard-ass customs checkpoints make ordering internationally a crap-shoot. Lots of international suppliers won't even ship here because of the seizure rate, and if they do, no re-ship.
Venom was by far the best
 
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Lol I had too
 
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