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foreveryoung said:
another 50mg today

much stronger morning wood and sexual thoughts than usual this morning

insomnia last night
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I do see the abuse potential as a huge problem with TRT - this came up in m_ob's thread too. I'm not saying you are abusing TRT or that you don't need it but your thought process and conflicted thought patterns are like those of an addict. Even after years of being off TRT that little voice is still calling to you.....interesting.
 
felt a little achy today, like a bit of muscle cramps in my calves when I didn't even do anything recently that would make them sore, I wonder if my estrogen is getting a little too low

might need to make a big decision in a hurry here, either stop the proviron and bounce back natural, or take the next huge plunge and start to add some test.....
 
foreveryoung said:
might need to make a big decision in a hurry here, either stop the proviron and bounce back natural, or take the next huge plunge and start to add some test.....
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You need to think long and hard about this. It's not a "quick decision".

If you choose to add testosterone you need to do that with the full knowledge and understanding that once you do that, you might not be able to recover your natural libido after "x" amount of time on testosterone. Or it might take months and months and months to recover your natural libido.

So once you are ON testosterone and you decide you want to go that route, that is a commitment.

It seems to me that after 5 years where you went natural, got your libido back, and lived like that for awhile, you just aren't happy with how you look, feel, and your libido.

If that's the case yeah. Go ahead and get back on TRT.

But it seems like you aren't doing it through a doctor, and you dont have a concrete gameplan.

It also seems to me like you are in a fragile state of mind right now ?

That could be me PROJECTING onto you but it seems like you are unsure.

Whatever you choose, weigh the pros and cons and make the best possible decision. Don't make a knee jerk decision ie EMOTIONAL DECISION and then regret it.

If you weigh the pros and cons and decide "yes, I would like to commit to TRT" then that's fine. There is no shame in doing that. But if you make an emotional decision and pinn yourself a bunch of times and then decide you dont want to commit to it, you are just chasing your tail in circles and it wont be good for you.

So think about it and make a good decision.

Either way there is no WRONG decision. It is making the best decision for you.


Gluck.
 
did a good frontload of cyp yesterday.... past the point of no return it seems

still took the proviron

aching in my shoulder, I wonder if the proviron caused low estrogen issues

extreme morning wood this morning
 
took a .25mg of arimidex today, plan to do that every few days or so because I would rather stay on top of estrogen in advance rather than wait

felt pretty good today, a bit more confidence, which might be a result of logical thought patterns, had a good workout too, although I have been working out hard for a long time now

brain is feeling more interest in girls, hasn't moved downward to spontaneous daytime erections or anything though, lol, that is always a goal in the quest for super libido
 
idmd said:
I do see the abuse potential as a huge problem with TRT - this came up in m_ob's thread too. I'm not saying you are abusing TRT or that you don't need it but your thought process and conflicted thought patterns are like those of an addict. Even after years of being off TRT that little voice is still calling to you.....interesting.
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The resident expert on TRT ^^^^^ [:o)]
 
newbie23 said:
The resident expert on TRT ^^^^^ [:o)]
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he does make a good point though, if one had never experienced the mania of being 3 or 4 times the normal high level of androgens their brain might be content to be perfectly normal, just like an addict that might always in the back of their mind crave the feeling of meth or cocaine for the rest of their lives even if they go clean for many years
 
I am just wondering how he has formed any opinion on what potential TRT could have, in any category lol

Its not really that big of a deal most newbies do it, I am sure I am guilty of it. What I have learned though is talking, researching or posting about something is one thing, actually doing usually surprises you, it is almost never as it seemed. This is what annoys me about people that form many opinions about TRT without ever actually even doing it, so I have to give him a terrible time until he realizes that.

I personally have taken higher dosages in the past but it doesn't call my name like a heroin or cocaine addict at all......... it is completely different than a rec drug. There is no immediate effect, so the idea of "jonesin" for a shot is foreign to me.

Thats just my opinion though :p
 
well, you are right that stretching his point to trt is a little silly, there is nothing addictable to the feeling you get off of normal levels from trt, in fact feeling normal without trt is a heck of a lot better and addictable than the feeling of normal test levels from trt

but there is something about having very high levels that takes it to a different level, and even moreso if adding strong androgens to the mix, this is a feeling that will always be remembered by those that have experienced it, especially those that lived it for an extended period
 
I was just thinking about it and I think this concept also extends to the situation for those guys that were extremely oversexed and super high libido through their 20's, and then when they got into their 40's life didn't seem the same anymore as their libido's had ruled so much of their waking life when they were younger, that constant overwhelming urge has left a psychological desire to reexperience it within them, so that a mellower non-critical desire doesn't satisfy anymore and there is a craving deep within to recapture that overwhelming libido that they had experienced for so many years when they were younger....... the overpowering libido they had experienced was so addictive that life seems boring and empty without it
 
foreveryoung said:
well, you are right that stretching his point to trt is a little silly, there is nothing addictable to the feeling you get off of normal levels from trt, in fact feeling normal without trt is a heck of a lot better and addictable than the feeling of normal test levels from trtbut there is something about having very high levels that takes it to a different level, and even moreso if adding strong androgens to the mix, this is a feeling that will always be remembered by those that have experienced it, especially those that lived it for an extended period
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Why do you say this?
 
I meant that going on to the hassles and unnatural feeling of trt just to eek out a few hundred more points in level test will always feel like a compromise as the positives are negated by the negatives, so in my opinion being at 325 natural is overall a better situation than being at 600 on trt for life.
 
took 25mg proviron last evening, good workout yesterday, eating very clean

shoulder still sore, must be an actual injury issue not related to hormones because the rest of me is ok this morning

extreme morning wood this morning

so fat zero acne, really hoping to find a strategy to keep it away before it gets started
 
foreveryoung said:
I meant that going on to the hassles and unnatural feeling of trt just to eek out a few hundred more points in level test will always feel like a compromise as the positives are negated by the negatives, so in my opinion being at 325 natural is overall a better situation than being at 600 on trt for life.
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In what ways does TRT feel unnatural to you? Was your libido better or worse on TRT? Was your recovery from exercise faster or just the same?
 
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