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MG, never heard Scally and doc jim say that about PCT timing and long and short esters... That seems like too long to wait for each to for each (even though obviously bloodwork would determine best). Do you know their reasons why? Or where they said this?

I started PCT 4 weeks after my last injection on a test cyp cycle. I believe that is around the time where serum test levels have dropped down to around 300-500ng/dl on the dose I was taking and that is the point where the HPTA starts trying to return back to normal function.

I know Dr Scally has mentioned before that timing is important for HPTA recovery, and personally I would rather wait longer to make sure levels are low enough before introducing PCT meds.

 

[mghoward74]

MG, never heard Scally and doc jim say that about PCT timing and long and short esters... That seems like too long to wait for each to for each (even though obviously bloodwork would determine best). Do you know their reasons why? Or where they said this?

 

[mghoward74]

 

[mghoward74]

 

[mghoward74]

 

[mghoward74]

I talked to @Manny and he mentioned going to get bloodwork a month after his last pin of test e (I think) and his numbers were near 1000. If he would have started pct then or earlier he would have been screwed.

Even 2 weeks after his...his numbers were still high. Hopefully he can elaborate more on it....

Therefore, I was told by the experts (Dr. JIM & Sally), and manny's situation provided the evidence.

hope that helps @Marcus

 

[Boilermech]

I talked to @Manny and he mentioned going to get bloodwork a month after his last pin of test e (I think) and his numbers were near 1000. If he would have started pct then or earlier he would have been screwed.

Even 2 weeks after his...his numbers were still high. Hopefully he can elaborate more on it....

Therefore, I was told by the experts (Dr. JIM & Sally), and manny's situation provided the evidence.

hope that helps @Marcus

I just seen Scally say 3weeks for test E just the other day. I'll see if I can find it.

 

[Manny]

Hey guys. My labs were 7500 amd I needed to let them drop down for my dr. After a month they were still at 1000+ and I just went back on cycle, should have waited to get a lower lab then I would have been able to get dr rx % trt but I couldnt wait any longer. I wish I'd have thought of t.n.e but was new. Hope this helps

 

[Boilermech]

Hey guys. My labs were 7500 amd I needed to let them drop down for my dr. After a month they were still at 1000+ and I just went back on cycle, should have waited to get a lower lab then I would have been able to get dr rx % trt but I couldnt wait any longer. I wish I'd have thought of t.n.e but was new. Hope this helps

Were you on test E or C? Isn't half life around 7 days?
7500 after 1 week = 3750
3750 after 1 week = 1875
1875 after 1 week = 937
937 after 1 week = 468 or so
I'm not arguing just curious. I always finish with test prop and always start pct 5 days after last pin but I might have to get bloodwork done to see when I need to start from now on. Im sure everyone is probably different in this also but I've never had bloods done before I start pct so this might be my next experiment.
I also know for a fact just the other day Scally mentioned 3 weeks for enanthate, but as your bloods have shown 3 weeks would have been way to early. Of course the dosage is going to be the deciding factor. Because if I'm just running 500mg of test E then it would look more like this.
5000 after 1 week = 2500
2500 after 1 week = 1250
1250 after 1 week = 625
625 after 1 week = 312.5
This has been my thoughts, but you still being over 1000 after 4 weeks kindof screwed up my logic. Thanks a lot brother now I'm all confused, lol.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Hey guys. My labs were 7500 amd I needed to let them drop down for my dr. After a month they were still at 1000+ and I just went back on cycle, should have waited to get a lower lab then I would have been able to get dr rx % trt but I couldnt wait any longer. I wish I'd have thought of t.n.e but was new. Hope this helps

Wasn't that from Dunmas (however it's spelled) prop? That's impossible unless it wasn't prop.

 

[Marcus]

I talked to @Manny and he mentioned going to get bloodwork a month after his last pin of test e (I think) and his numbers were near 1000. If he would have started pct then or earlier he would have been screwed.

Even 2 weeks after his...his numbers were still high. Hopefully he can elaborate more on it....

Therefore, I was told by the experts (Dr. JIM & Sally), and manny's situation provided the evidence.

hope that helps @Marcus

Thank you MG!! Im going to look over all these links when I have some time at the end of my day. I think @Northern Nutrition mentioned that he starts PCT around 2 weeks after last pin (can't remember long or short esters) due to bloodwork. Thank you again brother

 

[Northern Nutrition]

I no longer require a recovery plan, but when i did i allowed 14 days for the ester to clear enough for me to begin a PCT when using enth or cyp. I recovered fine. Then i smartened up and dropped the long ester and began to include prop last two weeks in order to transition to PCT in 3-4 days, occasionally less.

 

[Manny]

Wasn't that from Dunmas (however it's spelled) prop? That's impossible unless it wasn't prop.

It was sust then cyp and prop. The prop was 250 a week and 500 of the sust. I ran out of sust after a couple weeks then switched to cyp

 

[Manny]

Were you on test E or C? Isn't half life around 7 days?
7500 after 1 week = 3750
3750 after 1 week = 1875
1875 after 1 week = 937
937 after 1 week = 468 or so
I'm not arguing just curious. I always finish with test prop and always start pct 5 days after last pin but I might have to get bloodwork done to see when I need to start from now on. Im sure everyone is probably different in this also but I've never had bloods done before I start pct so this might be my next experiment.
I also know for a fact just the other day Scally mentioned 3 weeks for enanthate, but as your bloods have shown 3 weeks would have been way to early. Of course the dosage is going to be the deciding factor. Because if I'm just running 500mg of test E then it would look more like this.
5000 after 1 week = 2500
2500 after 1 week = 1250
1250 after 1 week = 625
625 after 1 week = 312.5
This has been my thoughts, but you still being over 1000 after 4 weeks kindof screwed up my logic. Thanks a lot brother now I'm all confused, lol.

Just posted regarding jb this wasn't an end of cycle, my dr was freaked out because it was so high. Its in my log way back. Still have labs somewhere , can re post if guys want me to

 

[Boilermech]

Just posted regarding jb this wasn't an end of cycle, my dr was freaked out because it was so high. Its in my log way back. Still have labs somewhere , can re post if guys want me to

Ok so were you still taking anything during the 4 weeks when you were lowering it?

 

[Manny]

Ok so were you still taking anything during the 4 weeks when you were lowering it?

Tren a for 1.5 weeks then nothing

 

[Boilermech]

Tren a for 1.5 weeks then nothing

Ah ha! So it was test C or E in disguise as Tren. The truth finally comes out. Lol just kidding.

 

[Manny]

The tren was specd by a vip here.

 

[Boilermech]

The tren was specd by a vip here.

I was just messing with you brother. [emoji4]

 

[mghoward74]

Last night...Shoulders

Dumbbell press
1×65= 10 reps warm up
1×70= 10 reps
1×75= 10 reps
1×80= 5 reps

Dumbbell front raises
1×40= 10 reps
1×45= 10 reps
1×50= 10 reps

Dumbbell side raises
1×40= 10 reps
1×45= 10 reps
1×50= 10 reps

Rear deltoid smith machine
1×125= 10 reps
1×135= 10 reps
1×145 = 10 reps
1×155= 10 reps

Standing cable upright rows (no #'s)
6 sets, 10 reps

Hanging leg raises
2 sets, 25 each ( Abs cramping for 1st time)

Took me awhile to get this workout done....around a hour and half for some reason.

Going to run prop starting Friday or Sunday. I have 20 ml so maybe 1 ml a day for 14 days (700 a week)

Hope to push 375 before it's done. I'm probably going to do more bloodwork to see what my numbers are since doubling up on the dose, which should be around 6000 or so.