bigMoJo
Member
It's easy to critique and complain... it's hard to actually do something about it.
Readalot hasn't done anything easy. Maybe you don't agree, but you have to at least respect that. What have YOU done? Complain?
On the topic of "experience" vs "PubMed..." what's wrong with either? Do we remember what a bibliography is? How can any of us know, or verify, what experience a member has or shares? From pics? From what? Although, to be honest and fair-minded, I think most of us who are serious get the point about experience. Contrarily, serious research is based on presenting a collection of references, not necessarily "experience." But, this is a whole other topic.
The main issue of this thread is the problem(s) in the Underground. IMO the Underground is only a small part... there's just so much more to Meso. We have incredible members who take the time to really research and share what they've learned & experienced... cycles, drugs, meds, training, homebrew, etc. Those who don't see that, and focus on the Underground, are really missing out. Probably most do.
However, you're right about the problems with the Underground. The "culture" that proliferates now is counter to Meso's (old and new) values. We all see how many members are—whether deliberately or unknowingly—source suck-ups... sycophants. How did this happen?
With all the show-offs on Instagram and whatever social media, many want to imitate what they see, right? Guys training... shredded. Girls... half-naked... in shape. It's all over the place... worse than porn pop-ups 10 years ago. Everyone wants to be like what they see online.
With all it's instructional videos, YouTube has people thinking they're licensed electricians... certified professionals... whatever. Watch a couple of videos, get some online gear, now you're Mr. Olympia Chick-magnet. Right? But, we—who take this seriously—know that's a pipe dream... they don't. Right?
So, we get all these "members" who really aren't serious about our "lifestyle," but want the easy way to looking good and finally being "cool." I can't blame anyone for wanting that. But, that's what the Underground is saturated with.
Over the short period I've been here, I've seen many "members" embarrass themselves stressing out over an illegal package delivery from China. This is just one of many problems. We have to sit there and read through all the "crying." "My package says, 'customs inspection,' was it seized? Are the coming for me?" It's not the first time I've watched a wimp cry over poppycock... and obviously not the last. IMO, if you can't handle it, don't do it.
This brings me to my final point... it seems to me "crying" is accepted nowadays... or at least given credence. People cry about their jobs, cry about their relationships, and now, cry about "spam" on a forum. "Oh, I had to read through the spam." (*wah*) Really? Crying about spam? I bring this up because this is the "culture" that's permeating Meso. This is a steroid forum. Steroids are illegal. They're not for the faint-of-heart. But here we are... entertaining cry-babies, "Where's my package?" (*wah*).
"Grow a set!" "Man up!" "Rub dirt on it!" "Don't be such a p_ssy!" Where did all that go? Reddit? C'mon.
If we're going to do something about it... let's do it. Otherwise, we're all just crying.
Readalot hasn't done anything easy. Maybe you don't agree, but you have to at least respect that. What have YOU done? Complain?
On the topic of "experience" vs "PubMed..." what's wrong with either? Do we remember what a bibliography is? How can any of us know, or verify, what experience a member has or shares? From pics? From what? Although, to be honest and fair-minded, I think most of us who are serious get the point about experience. Contrarily, serious research is based on presenting a collection of references, not necessarily "experience." But, this is a whole other topic.
The main issue of this thread is the problem(s) in the Underground. IMO the Underground is only a small part... there's just so much more to Meso. We have incredible members who take the time to really research and share what they've learned & experienced... cycles, drugs, meds, training, homebrew, etc. Those who don't see that, and focus on the Underground, are really missing out. Probably most do.
However, you're right about the problems with the Underground. The "culture" that proliferates now is counter to Meso's (old and new) values. We all see how many members are—whether deliberately or unknowingly—source suck-ups... sycophants. How did this happen?
With all the show-offs on Instagram and whatever social media, many want to imitate what they see, right? Guys training... shredded. Girls... half-naked... in shape. It's all over the place... worse than porn pop-ups 10 years ago. Everyone wants to be like what they see online.
With all it's instructional videos, YouTube has people thinking they're licensed electricians... certified professionals... whatever. Watch a couple of videos, get some online gear, now you're Mr. Olympia Chick-magnet. Right? But, we—who take this seriously—know that's a pipe dream... they don't. Right?
So, we get all these "members" who really aren't serious about our "lifestyle," but want the easy way to looking good and finally being "cool." I can't blame anyone for wanting that. But, that's what the Underground is saturated with.
Over the short period I've been here, I've seen many "members" embarrass themselves stressing out over an illegal package delivery from China. This is just one of many problems. We have to sit there and read through all the "crying." "My package says, 'customs inspection,' was it seized? Are the coming for me?" It's not the first time I've watched a wimp cry over poppycock... and obviously not the last. IMO, if you can't handle it, don't do it.
This brings me to my final point... it seems to me "crying" is accepted nowadays... or at least given credence. People cry about their jobs, cry about their relationships, and now, cry about "spam" on a forum. "Oh, I had to read through the spam." (*wah*) Really? Crying about spam? I bring this up because this is the "culture" that's permeating Meso. This is a steroid forum. Steroids are illegal. They're not for the faint-of-heart. But here we are... entertaining cry-babies, "Where's my package?" (*wah*).
"Grow a set!" "Man up!" "Rub dirt on it!" "Don't be such a p_ssy!" Where did all that go? Reddit? C'mon.
If we're going to do something about it... let's do it. Otherwise, we're all just crying.
