The MESO way

I won't tag bware since he already bid his goodbyes. But Threads like this are always funny. Times will change. Nothing is constant. This sentiment prevails everywhere. Richer older folks complaining about how everything has gone to shit, never truly appreciating how far things have come. Whether it being a wider acceptance of AAS and a better recognition that folks that use gear aren't raving musclebound anabolics-seeking lunatic-zombies (or whatever scare tactic has been used to scare folks off gear).
Instead they focus on people they feel are unworthy of whatever status has been bequeathed unto said target of dislike. You can almost hear the: "who the fuck is this newbie saying so much like he knows everything ?.."

Believe me, This sentiment exists everywhere. Since I've spent the larger part of my older years in academia, i can't but suspect a great deal of this angst resides in such sentiment.
The thing to ask when dealing with a "know it all" is whether is being said is correct or at least backed up with some sort of evidence. The best way to handle the situation is to counter/refute with our own evidence even if anecdotal or based on experience... and when it that fails, let it slide.
Time will always test all proclamations and predictions.

Instead we are reduced to ad-hominems about whether a poster doesn't have a life or that they talk too much, then spend extra time complaining about rude non-chinese vendors of china based UGLs. (of which I've always wondered whether some folks would be as displeased with chinese UGLs if they were domestic.. I digress)

Meso may have been a certain way, but the world is changing. knowledge base is increasing, more compounds being discovered. I would rather pick what useful info I can get, or position myself to benefit more from vendors because of exchanges, than waste time with questions about why whatsapp is slower than Gmail or why BTC is not moving as fast as ETH.

Finally, vendor threads are not MESO. There are hundreds of topics on MESO. Instead people hang around vendor threads, where emotions are usually testy and on edge, then come out to say the forum has gone to shyte. There's tons of old stuff people can pick from. When I finally joined this forum, some dude was talking about doing DNP and Reta. He was given sound advice, yet he did what he did. In the end, he is an interesting case study. Stuff like that keep me here. And occasional trashtalking on QSC thread.

I don't want to talk about QSC. We all know exactly why QSC is popular. It's the same reason shein is popular. Why Alibaba, Ali express and Temu sell massive amounts of products in the US. Everyone loves a good deal if the price is right. The best anyone can do is help review these goods to ensure the standards remain decent, otherwise pay people more money so they can shop at Macy's or Nordstrom.. instead of duking it out at the clearance rack at Burlington (where I tend to find good stuff too ;) )
 
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I guess if that's all you can say... The question that comes up is:

Are you fucking retarded mate? I mean nice transformation but I guess your brain rotted in the meantime.
Nice talking to you, not. You can go back to SST.

Bai
Thanks babe. This was the home forum though, so I’ll probably stick around for a bit.
 
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Hi Guac,

Thank you for this thread.
Quite timely, I think.

I will reply later on.
Just wanted to say that I think you are right, asking

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Why are standards different across sources

And saying

Everyone here is measuring off of a separate standard. Not much is uniform. Hence the Wild West nature.

Why are we selectively scrutinizing?


Everyone hated readalot for what he was doing, and still does. But is he not doing what exactly should be done? Or is he now doing too much?

I’ve just noticed a lot of hypocrisy lately.

Good you have gathered all this, here.
Have a good New Year's eve and see you later, when I have a bit of time...
 
You’re telling me QSC is a better source than axle? Wholeheartedly.

Axle had alt accounts to gain market share. Ok?

Cross contamination popped up once. Not the first source. Has this happened since?

Guac was found in compounds. As soon as it was caught, he admitted it and now every single test moving forward tests for Guac.


My point again. Why are we selectively scrutinizing?

QSC was under filling. And always has floaters. They became known as the source to “just filter it”. They’re one of the most popular sources here. If not THE most popular. And we want to talk about desperation? lol.


I’ve used axle multiple times without issue. I’ve had buddies use axle multiple times without issue.


My point being, any time axle had an issue. It was correctly timely. MESO harassed QSC for MONTHS, and they would even talk shit back while continuing to put out shit product and members still ate it up….:.
That’s why I wouldn’t buy from him. There is a shady dude behind that name. Shady dudes don’t just magically wake up one day and stop doing shady shit. It’s in his nature. He’ll go tits up sooner than later like all the sources of his ilk do.
 
You and BBBG sure like to exaggerate. Don't know why I still like you guys. Must be the internet charm and apparent heart in the right place. I can relate to the later.

I'd actually donate to watch you hit axle's page every day lol.
Here’s what I want you to do. Take the public BTC addy QSC uses and put it into memepool. Check out the balance and you’ll see why the people only want cheap gear. You can scream testing until you’re blue in the face and nothing will change.
 
Ha, actually wasn’t even a jab at you personally but I see now you fall into that category lol. Seriously, wtf you got to talk about so much? Especially since you don’t even use UGLs or take anything but testosterone? It’s not like you can go around and answer many questions with no real world knowledge or experience unless you are just giving advice based on what you read on the internet.
This dude knows his shit ^^

In the old days trolls were exposed and ran off quick.
 
Axle? Lmao

Read the first 1 or 2 pages of his thread. He’s a fucking joke but newer members here are desperate for cheap gear. Do you want me to be readalot and spam his thread 5000 times a day? I don’t have that much free time on my hands.
Good to see you still around brother...yeah old Meso was great!

Happy New Year to you.
 
Here’s what I want you to do. Take the public BTC addy QSC uses and put it into memepool. Check out the balance and you’ll see why the people only want cheap gear. You can scream testing until you’re blue in the face and nothing will change.

Tried my best this year. Nothing? QSC did the testing and now what?

I assume you mean few care?

Fair enough.

 
Respectfully lol. Members of the group seem to hold this board as the holy grail of gear pages. “We won’t let that fly here” type shit.

Having now lurked other pages, in the last 2 years this place really just seems like one big shit show.

Why is MESO dominated by shit Chinese source that you guys constantly allow to fuck up. “Oh we told them”. But they still do the same shit and you guys treat these threads like the popular hang out , water cooler talk thread.

Also, MESO seems to be the only page where some bullshit, half ass, no name source is popping up. Why’s that here and no where else.

If we’re being real, GL and Stan carried this page. Now it’s just Stan and axle. Without them, the groups worthless.

Just seems to be some wild delusion going on. I’ve never so so many members ready to argue and it be completely meaningless. Seems like an echo chamber.
You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what MESO is about. It is NOT a source forum. But don't worry, most people can't wrap their head around this fact either.

You are clearly describing a "source forum" where you think certain good/popular/liked sources should "carry" the page and presumably the bad/unpopular/unliked sources should be "ran off".

And you are in good company in a community where most forums operate this way. And it has become the model for what most people expect when they go to a AAS forum.

Perhaps this article will help explain the "MESO way":

Distinguishing Between "Source Forums" and "Harm Reduction Forums"​

In the online anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS) community, forums often serve as hubs for information sharing, advice, and product discussions. However, not all forums are created equal. It is critical to distinguish between "source forums" and "harm reduction forums" to understand their purposes, strengths, and shortcomings.

What is a Source Forum?

A source forum primarily operates as a marketplace for AAS suppliers. These platforms focus on promoting certain suppliers while marginalizing others. The "good" or popular sources are celebrated, while "bad" or unpopular sources are ostracized or excluded.

In a source forum, moderators or administrators often exert top-down control over which sources are allowed to participate. This selection process typically involves subjective criteria influenced by the preferences of the forum’s leadership or majority user base. This centralized control often leads to:
  • Bias: Decisions about sources may be influenced by financial incentives, personal relationships, or user pressure.
  • Lack of Accountability: Bad sources can easily disappear or rebrand without being held accountable for poor practices.
  • Exclusion: New or unpopular sources often face unjustified barriers to participation, while dominant players are protected.
Source forums, by design, prioritize convenience over transparency, making them ill-suited for fostering trust or promoting safety within the AAS community.

What is a Harm Reduction Forum?
Harm reduction forums, such as MESO-Rx, take a fundamentally different approach. They reject the source forum model in favor of a more inclusive and accountability-focused framework. These forums emphasize transparency, consumer safety, and education over commercial interests.

Key features of harm reduction forums include:
  1. Inclusion of All Sources:
    Harm reduction forums welcome participation from all sources—good or bad, big or small, popular or unpopular. By ensuring that every source can be discussed, these forums create an environment where the entire marketplace can be scrutinized.
  2. Maximum Accountability:
    Rather than shielding favored suppliers, harm reduction forums expose all sources to public evaluation. Users can freely share their experiences, both positive and negative, ensuring that even bad actors are held accountable for their practices.
  3. No Top-Down Control:
    Unlike source forums, harm reduction forums relinquish administrative control over which sources can participate. This eliminates conflicts of interest, as no single person or group determines the “winners” and “losers.”
  4. Focus on Consumer Education:
    Harm reduction forums prioritize educating users about product safety, risks, and best practices. They aim to empower individuals to make informed decisions based on transparent information.
Why Harm Reduction is Better
The harm reduction model is essential for fostering accountability and improving safety in the AAS community. By allowing open discussions about all sources, harm reduction forums empower consumers to identify reliable suppliers and avoid dangerous products or practices.

The source forum model, on the other hand, creates a controlled and biased environment where bad actors can thrive in the shadows, and consumers are often left with incomplete or misleading information.

Challenges of Harm Reduction Forums

Despite their benefits, harm reduction forums face challenges. Without administrative control over participation, individual users or groups sometimes attempt to assert influence by forming their own informal “source forums” within the community. These efforts undermine the forum’s harm reduction mission by recreating the exclusionary practices of source forums.

Conclusion
The distinction between source forums and harm reduction forums is not merely academic; it reflects the core values and goals of a community. Source forums prioritize convenience, favoritism, and commercial interests, while harm reduction forums seek to maximize transparency, accountability, and consumer safety.

Forums like MESO-Rx stand apart by fostering a space where all sources can be evaluated and held accountable. This approach aligns with harm reduction principles, ensuring that the AAS community has the tools and information it needs to make safer, more informed decisions.
 
A few years back (5-7, idk), there were no sponsored sources on here. Everything fell in the underground (all UGL's & resellers). Not sure when that changed. That was a thing back then because other forums had paid/sponsored sources and they ban you if you talked against a source. On here, the members ran the show. Again, I was off here for a few years so dunno how/what happened or changed.
Why do you think there are "sponsored sources"?

MESO does NOT sponsor or endorse any source.

The forum remains neutral, focusing on its mission of education and harm reduction. It does not recommend or vouch for the quality, safety, or reliability of any particular source. On the contrary, it encourages members to speak out and hold all sources, and especially sponsors, fully accountable.

It is the sponsors that provide MESO with financial support to help the forum continue its operations. While sources may sponsor MESO, this does not grant them influence over the forum's policies, discussions, or endorsements.

I hope this clarifies any misunderstanding over misused terms sponsor and sponsorship.
 
My point is you guys let these china source get away with shit for quite some time.
define "you guys" ?

this board has been overtaken by the glp crowd from reddit and whatnot. you dont like qsc because of issues with their oils? you think the tirz and sema crowd really cares about that when they see testing for overfilled kits cheaper than any other source on here?

at a certain point some people just get tired and move on. the first few months of qsc being here, his thread was constantly being spammed by the same copy and pasted posts about why not to buy from him. was the intent to drive people away? yes, but it only served to constantly bump his thread up to the top of the page. would he be where he is today without those free bumps for his first year here? who knows

and youre talking about letting the chinese sources get away? why not go on about why the indian generic pct sources barely have tests for the hundreds of different items they offer? there are some things that people have come to accept.
 
define "you guys" ?

this board has been overtaken by the glp crowd from reddit and whatnot. you dont like qsc because of issues with their oils? you think the tirz and sema crowd really cares about that when they see testing for overfilled kits cheaper than any other source on here?

at a certain point some people just get tired and move on. the first few months of qsc being here, his thread was constantly being spammed by the same copy and pasted posts about why not to buy from him. was the intent to drive people away? yes, but it only served to constantly bump his thread up to the top of the page. would he be where he is today without those free bumps for his first year here? who knows

and youre talking about letting the chinese sources get away? why not go on about why the indian generic pct sources barely have tests for the hundreds of different items they offer? there are some things that people have come to accept.
QSC will never need a sponsorship because their thread is always at the top lol.
 
I understand entirely how all of it works. I’m not ignorant to it in the least.

My point is you guys let these china source get away with shit for quite some time. I’m very well familiar with axles past. Name a source who doesn’t have a past? Isn’t it up to us to hold them to a standard? Otherwise they continue to operate at the bare minimum. Axle cleaned up a lot since then. Things have been relatively quiet. And if he’s that bad, why’s he still here and not ran off?

Everyone hated readalot for what he was doing, and still does. But is he not doing what exactly should be done? Or is he now doing too much?

I’ve just noticed a lot of hypocrisy lately.
You know why sources get away with everything now a days? Because every source has dick riders,
You go into the qsc thread and try to hold them accountable, you get swarmed by 50 people calling you a retard, you go into optis thread and try to ask the most basic questions and you get people pushing down your throat wondering why your trying to ask these questions, THE MOST BASIC QUESTIONS.. its all tiring and honestly Im done trying. Its all worthless because people do not care and just dick ride because they think their on some friend level..
 
You know why sources get away with everything now a days? Because every source has dick riders,
You go into the qsc thread and try to hold them accountable, you get swarmed by 50 people calling you a retard, you go into optis thread and try to ask the most basic questions and you get people pushing down your throat wondering why your trying to ask these questions, THE MOST BASIC QUESTIONS.. its all tiring and honestly Im done trying. Its all worthless because people do not care and just dick ride because they think their on some friend level..
Yeah solid point. That’s human nature though. People develop a loyalty. Like that with everything.
 
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