Its just, they wouldnt have otherwise, even people trying it once.
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The War on Opioids - Time for Re-Evaluation..?
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Lis
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I highly recommend kratom for anyone struggling with opiate or alcohol addiction.
daron_e
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Was with ya..right till # 9.
THERE is no doubt the plan is to kill anyone with older mentality. They definitely plan to kill a docs free will in terms of professional capacity.
IF yer referring to my starter post, then OK plenty of folks like pot. I like it honestly, but I can't take the heavy chest and lung shit at my age. But re-evaluate that and come back to me when you see one of your kids smoking and the havoc it brings on their lives... As they go from smart kids to imbeciles that don't give a shit about what matters...
No, its just no cool to demonize hydrocodone as a mode to basically opioid elimination. Especially when folks have real pain.... And you are not reading because the side avenues of other real dangers will not be undone. The drug distribution pathways which are born from all this closing of the legitimate opioid medical market. Today its loss of hydro, tomorrow its corruption with fent, the the next day its a designer drug making it into the can of spaghettios you just fed you child. There is no end to the error in all this...
They should have handled all this WAY more conservatively and this would have kept the damage in house. What has happened as a result is complete loss of control of illegal drug markets. It is regrettable but real. The overall REAL COST will stagger whatever bill the ERs were getting in hydrocodone visits. And the truth is the overdoses were stronger opioids...
Most importantly this was all enacted to strip away logic and reason from physicians and reset their reality base to a new control level not their own. that affects YOU in the future of you diagnoses as to how docs proceed with what protocols they are allowed to utilize in your diagnoses... Its just a mode to redesign implementation of health insurance protocol, allowed provider invoicing, and patient tolerance for service levels..
Ferret
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Easy way to end the drug war. The gov should lace random illegal drugs with poison. We could save Billions on the drug war, this would have a much greater success rate! or something that would kill your erections 
WHAT THE FUK DO YOU THINK THEY ARE ALREADY DOING..?!?!?!Easy way to end the drug war. The gov should lace random illegal drugs with poison. We could save Billions on the drug war, this would have a much greater success rate! or something that would kill your erections
When you finally figure out that EVERYONE utilizes some form or another of contraband, you will figure out what the real story is. And that you are just an ignorant jack ass... More like an grouchy E.R. Doc..
YOUR AVATAR PROVES YOUR IGNORANCE in that if you had any experience at all, you would know that those two sucking bitch-tongue HATE YOUR ASS just for being a male.. Their goal is to IMMASCULATE YOU, SUBJUGATE YOU TO THEIR DEMENTED WILL, and ULTIMATELY RENDER YOU AN IMPOTENT CUCK...
But what do I know...
Ferret
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(everyone is entitled to their opinion. Yours is noted!
)The majority refer to the drug war as narcotics. Excluding that definition, I know many people who are not on any form of "contraband"
I really have no use for people on narcotics, weed, or even alcohol.
Yea but Kratom maxes out on returns pretty quick without a beer to kick it up. And still its very limited. And while I will agree that I could see where it could become a nag not to have it once using it for a good while. The withdrawal is nothing to even hydrocodone. And hydrocode is basically INERT in terms of comparison to Oxy type opioids and heaven forbid someone stumbling into hydromorphone or stronger. (I cant speak with experience on Kratom as I don't have it available to use it on the reg)
You all know I am a huge hydrocodone advocate. I can speak from experience that you can be on 20mgs/day for very extended periods and the extent of the withdrawal is an afternoon of cool sweat on day three and then its forgotten with a simple beer. They just used it as a mode to enact all this insanity as it was the most commonly prescribed.. I miss it for weekend pain-free wind-downs.. I don't miss some of the apathy that accompanies. Still for seasoned users, it was actually a mode of pick me up via pain mitigation.. The proof of the lack of addictive properties is demonstrated CLEARLY in that I would NEVER pay a street price of 10 bux a pill for that shit when I used to get 90 for 10 bux. So its no crack in bottle by any means.. What's it been? 6 years? The only thing that has changed is the regularity of my alcohol consumption. Which has replaced it.. Never hammered. Just replaced..
Even considering traveling a city over in another state for Kratom, I have never made the trip. Its a matter of principle for me,
I would point out WHAT makes you any better frequenting an illicit steroid web site? Ceteris Paribus..?!?!?!?(everyone is entitled to their opinion. Yours is noted!
The majority refer to the drug war as narcotics. Excluding that definition, I know many people who are not on any form of "contraband"
I really have no use for people on narcotics, weed, or even alcohol.
I will also point out that most people don't go around advertising their vices..
But, seriously, if you "have no use for people on narcotics, weed, or alcohol", then what are you really. Because I guarantee you no one you know is that clean and perfect...
I hereby edit my speculation as to what you are. You are not only an ER Doc. You are a female of the species... Or just a loose liar. So which is it..?
Ferret
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Narcotics/pot is for people with weak minds. It does not make them productive, but makes them a burden on society.
You can usually spot em.
So you are saying everyone is on narcotics? I know a lot of people who don't do drugs or drink. Some people can handle life, honestly!
I hereby edit my speculation as to what you are. You are not only an ER Doc. You are a female of the species... Or just a loose liar. So which is it..?
KEEPING FOCUS ON THIS THREAD... This is about...:
1. The irrational and ill-planned removal of opioids from the US medical market.
2. The intentional destruction of the United States via creation of new more dangerous drugs and the creation of new indestructible distribution pathways.
3. The Subversive first step in turning M.D. internal psychology upside down and rendering them confused thus leading to broad stroke ultimate incompetence.
Just look at what is happening now. Pretty much Phase Two. Telling Docs they can't objectively treat Covid Patients. Its clear that age and time proven drugs like Ivermectin have a positive effect on the outcome of Covid patients, yet they sit back and tell docs to basically let their patients die. All while telling the ignorant public that Ivermectin is a crude "horse drug". Funny how they like to use that expression so readily with some other drugs that come to mind. Take a look at Africa, which has been the breeding ground from some crazy viral activity historically, and how are they doing with Covid.? Not so bad logistically and historically speaking. ANd WHY? Because half the country is on Ivermectin to combat diseases such as malaria for example.
WHATS THE COMMON DENOMINATOR TO ALL THIS...? A LOT OF People are dying. Got to make you stop and think...
1. The irrational and ill-planned removal of opioids from the US medical market.
2. The intentional destruction of the United States via creation of new more dangerous drugs and the creation of new indestructible distribution pathways.
3. The Subversive first step in turning M.D. internal psychology upside down and rendering them confused thus leading to broad stroke ultimate incompetence.
Just look at what is happening now. Pretty much Phase Two. Telling Docs they can't objectively treat Covid Patients. Its clear that age and time proven drugs like Ivermectin have a positive effect on the outcome of Covid patients, yet they sit back and tell docs to basically let their patients die. All while telling the ignorant public that Ivermectin is a crude "horse drug". Funny how they like to use that expression so readily with some other drugs that come to mind. Take a look at Africa, which has been the breeding ground from some crazy viral activity historically, and how are they doing with Covid.? Not so bad logistically and historically speaking. ANd WHY? Because half the country is on Ivermectin to combat diseases such as malaria for example.
WHATS THE COMMON DENOMINATOR TO ALL THIS...? A LOT OF People are dying. Got to make you stop and think...
FINAL CHARACTER SPECULATION REVISION...:
Female, ER Doc, YOUNG. Very young and little life experience. Cause the only ones that are not using some form of medication are the young and not yet traumatized by life stresses. You can sit in your bubble. And you can keep on lying.
And while NO I would say little to no one is on opioids. But if you want to go ahead and QUALIFY "Narcotics" into this equation. Then we can talk about amphetamines at this juncture. Which may in fact be a bigger problem than opioids were. And the world WILL STOP TURNING without ADDERALL.. You are probably already aware.. And where again do you sit on your THRONE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS...???
You are basically the proverbial pothead that calls everyone else stupid for their vice..
No you can't spot a pain patient on hydrocodone.
This is not a pissing contest. I'd like to hear some real solutions to the illegal drug trade and problematic consumption in the US. The use that has gone from a little risky, to a possible death ticket to would-be kids at college? How is it that you propose to shut down illegal fentanyl laced drugs which have grown magnitudes out of all this righteous ending of opioid prescribing..? How exactly are things better. These are POWERFUL forces that are taking up roots right here. On your street too.. Or soon enough. This is a serious matter.. More people jobless in an increasing technological future equates to more idiots becoming drug slingers, mules, and victims...
Bottom_Feeder
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It sure reads like a pissing contest.
You want to hear a solution... make all and every drug legal for open trade. Reasonably tax any and all transactions. Keep the money out of big pharma and alow open trade for generics. Let a true "free market" decide fair value of illicit street drugs and pharmaceuticals. Leave drug patent laws in place for continual improvement and development of drugs and to recoup r&d costs. Keep DEA open to insure a FREE and FAIR market for LEGAL business, and quality control. Alone that would take money away from cartels and street pharmacists. Shift the DEA savings and Tax dollars to helping those who WANT help. Also to help persuade the general population to stop dehumanizing people with drug problems. Clean and pure drugs could be bought OTC.
Would be a huge shock to society. Many people don't like this idea. You think opioids are a issue? Look at fucking insulin and other life saving medications. Yes... opioids are a problem, and so are drug companies. You can't help someone who don't want to be helped. Would people die? yes.... Would they have died anyway? Probably, unless they wanted help and couldn't get it. A big influencer of the opioid epidemic was big pharma.... And they also sold them the drugs to try to get them off the shit too.
I don't think it's very common for a man to smoke a bunch of pot or consume a bunch of heroine, come home and beat his wife. He would either be balls deep in his refrigerator, or nodding out on his front porch. Now let's give that same man a bottle of jack daniels..........
The only solution is to end the drug war.
Manufacture all drugs inside of the country, verify quality and dose and then educate the public how to use them safely. All people to buy them without a prescription and with total privacy.
The drug war is pointless. A certain percentage of people in this county are addicts, it's thought that 2 out of every 100 people will become hardcore drug addicts. About 5 out of 100 will have a drug problem and about 12 out of 100 use illegal drugs occasionally.
You can't stop this percentage, it has held since the early 70's.
I suppose you'd have to give these people or young kids a reason for living. The American way of life with it's constant chaos and stress of stirring up shit and noise has people looking for an escape. The American dream as it is right now is a dream and mostly bullshit. People fall flat on their ass and they go to drugs or alcohol to cope.
Most of the problems that lead to drugs are environmental. Remove people from their miserable life circumstances and transplant them into a better situation and much of this drug stuff goes away because people actually have a reason to live.
Manufacture all drugs inside of the country, verify quality and dose and then educate the public how to use them safely. All people to buy them without a prescription and with total privacy.
The drug war is pointless. A certain percentage of people in this county are addicts, it's thought that 2 out of every 100 people will become hardcore drug addicts. About 5 out of 100 will have a drug problem and about 12 out of 100 use illegal drugs occasionally.
You can't stop this percentage, it has held since the early 70's.
I suppose you'd have to give these people or young kids a reason for living. The American way of life with it's constant chaos and stress of stirring up shit and noise has people looking for an escape. The American dream as it is right now is a dream and mostly bullshit. People fall flat on their ass and they go to drugs or alcohol to cope.
Most of the problems that lead to drugs are environmental. Remove people from their miserable life circumstances and transplant them into a better situation and much of this drug stuff goes away because people actually have a reason to live.
adamcarpenter
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This is a simple minded opinion.
I used to be an addict. I do not suffer that affliction anymore. There is a solution, but it is not particularly intuitive. For me it took years of hard work overcoming mostly family and childhood issues before I was ready and able to quit.
It’s just way more complicated than “your weak bro”.
Take for example people who have panic attacks. The instinct after a panic attack is to isolate, which makes it worse. The solution is specific to everyone but usually it’s made of small steps and repeated exposure to stress over time. Not intuitive.
And while yes, substance abuse is a weakness, and makes you weaker, it’s not so simple as “your weak”. Substance abuse is not a permanent condition it can be overcome, but nobody on earth would ever recover if all you did was tell them “get stronger”.
Drugs are used to break down our defenses and relax the need to guard ones self. It's what allows some people to be comfortable in their own skin. It's largely born out of the problem with people, families, friends, lovers, coworkers lacking the courage to have an undivided consciousness free from all forms of alienation that happens when you live your life in your own body without fear of criticism, instead of living outside of your body, which is what most people have to do on a daily basis to play societies assigned roles.
Until people are grounded and comfortable in their own skin, can be brutally honest with each other instead of trying to save face, then you will continue to have a need for drugs as they look for a substitute for what they really want, which is to live without ego, instead of the hollowness of how they are expected to live always projecting their best face.
Until people are grounded and comfortable in their own skin, can be brutally honest with each other instead of trying to save face, then you will continue to have a need for drugs as they look for a substitute for what they really want, which is to live without ego, instead of the hollowness of how they are expected to live always projecting their best face.
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