The War on Opioids - Time for Re-Evaluation..?

[z666z]

Substance abuse is not a permanent condition it can be overcome, but nobody on earth would ever recover if all you did was tell them “get stronger”.

The problem is people are looking at the drugs as the cause of the problem.

Instead of looking for the cause of wanting to do the drugs.

It's like depression. It doesn't just happen out of nowhere, it's very much environmental, it's the situation you find yourself in and that's the problem. Don't just label the depressed person and tell them to snap out of it. Figure out what about their lives is driving them to this state.

America has this incessant need to insist that we all are the same and we all want the same things in life and if you follow the recipe and click your heels together tree times you'll be in a constant state of bliss.

This narrow and shallow focus skips over the complexities of life and replaces it with the typical American answer.....would you like product A, B or C, because that is all America is, just a consumer workaholic death trap.

This many people with this many mental problems can't just be genetic, it has to be environmental, as we know there are other cultures that don't have our material wealth that aren't all strung out on drugs and whacked out of their brains going over the edge. We are living out of balance with our true needs, someone has sold us a huge pile of shit and no one has the courage to skid on the brakes.

 

[Bottom_Feeder]

The only solution is to end the drug war.

Manufacture all drugs inside of the country, verify quality and dose and then educate the public how to use them safely. All people to buy them without a prescription and with total privacy.

The drug war is pointless. A certain percentage of people in this county are addicts, it's thought that 2 out of every 100 people will become hardcore drug addicts. About 5 out of 100 will have a drug problem and about 12 out of 100 use illegal drugs occasionally.

You can't stop this percentage, it has held since the early 70's.

I suppose you'd have to give these people or young kids a reason for living. The American way of life with it's constant chaos and stress of stirring up shit and noise has people looking for an escape. The American dream as it is right now is a dream and mostly bullshit. People fall flat on their ass and they go to drugs or alcohol to cope.

Most of the problems that lead to drugs are environmental. Remove people from their miserable life circumstances and transplant them into a better situation and much of this drug stuff goes away because people actually have a reason to live.

I completely agree. Except the manufacturing solely within the USA. Drug prices are way too high within the US as it stands. Many generics manufactured out of country then add the 20,000% markup, it's ridiculous. Many raws for most drugs are manufactured out of country.

I read a article a few months ago that stated something along the lines of... For some drugs it was cheaper for the insurance companies to send people to mexico to get their medications. It included round trip bus fare, plane tickets, taxi's, and a cash reward (few hundred I think) for their troubles and time. their medications were waiting for them at the pharmacy when they arrived. And to say the system is not broken? People driving far out of their way to go to a hospital that is "in network" for a real emergency. Only to get a outrageous bill because their doctor was "out of network"? The entire system is broken, getting worse, and a complete failure.

War on drugs is a complete disaster and did nothing. Same as the DARE program.

Now to say "it's time for opioid reform"? This is the wrong question. Fix the root of the problem. Usually a close proximity grenade blast is not fixed with a band aid. At least within the USA anyways.

 

[Bottom_Feeder]

This is a simple minded opinion.

I used to be an addict. I do not suffer that affliction anymore. There is a solution, but it is not particularly intuitive. For me it took years of hard work overcoming mostly family and childhood issues before I was ready and able to quit.

It’s just way more complicated than “your weak bro”.

Take for example people who have panic attacks. The instinct after a panic attack is to isolate, which makes it worse. The solution is specific to everyone but usually it’s made of small steps and repeated exposure to stress over time. Not intuitive.

And while yes, substance abuse is a weakness, and makes you weaker, it’s not so simple as “your weak”. Substance abuse is not a permanent condition it can be overcome, but nobody on earth would ever recover if all you did was tell them “get stronger”.

Agreed and good for you man. stay stong

 

[Ninjaturtle2020]

You can still get prescribed opiates. I broke my collarbone and ribs October 2020. They prescribed me oxycodone for 8 weeks prior to surgery and then morphine after surgery.

I always tell them I'm allergic to acetaminophen. One time kaiser prescribed me vicoprofin which was pretty cool and rare.

 

[z666z]

I completely agree. Except the manufacturing solely within the USA. Drug prices are way too high within the US as it stands. Many generics manufactured out of country then add the 20,000% markup, it's ridiculous. Many raws for most drugs are manufactured out of country.

Quality control of product is what really matters. If an independent lab is able to verify contents, purity and dose. I could careless who manufactures it.

We all know the drug war isn't gonna end mostly because the powers that control this country want good little slaves that obediently do as they are told.

The government has one priority...control. They manage your perceptions with relentless propaganda to corral you into a narrow set of options. The last thing they want is you tripping balls only to have you realize that you no longer want to be subjugated to a set of priorities that serve the government and big business.

If people like to dabble in drugs, and many do then they might become more difficult to control and that's not gonna be good for the bottom line.

Opening up the senses to beyond our normal everyday reality is something your government is terrified. For thousands of years man has used plants to alter his perception of reality and yet now the government tells you under threat of violence that you can't do this because it conflicts with their priorities.

I'll be honest, people that smoke weed, use psychedelics, hallucinogens are easier to be around than some aggro guy all intense and uptight making himself an ass.

I mean if you can find a drug that takes you to a happy place and doesn't cause a bad trip(I've had a few too many of those), or gnarly side effects, then hell even me at almost 50 would love to stock up while supplies last.

 

[Ferret]

This is a simple minded opinion.

I used to be an addict. I do not suffer that affliction anymore. There is a solution, but it is not particularly intuitive. For me it took years of hard work overcoming mostly family and childhood issues before I was ready and able to quit.

You have piss poor genetics is the problem. Unfortunately we propagate weak people like you nowadays, and they go on to reproduce and make other weak people. Natural selection or Eugenics tends to take care of such weak links.

Childhood issues? My God, I never knew so many pussy's lifted weights.

It’s just way more complicated than “your weak bro”.

Take for example people who have panic attacks. The instinct after a panic attack is to isolate, which makes it worse. The solution is specific to everyone but usually it’s made of small steps and repeated exposure to stress over time. Not intuitive.

And while yes, substance abuse is a weakness, and makes you weaker, it’s not so simple as “your weak”. Substance abuse is not a permanent condition it can be overcome, but nobody on earth would ever recover if all you did was tell them “get stronger”.

they need their heads kicked in, is what they need. General Patton knew how to take care of wimps, he put a gun to their head.

 

[z666z]

You have piss poor genetics is the problem. Unfortunately we propagate weak people like you nowadays, and they go on to reproduce and make other weak people. Natural selection or Eugenics tends to take care of such weak links.

Childhood issues? My God, I never knew so many pussy's lifted weights.

they need their heads kicked in, is what they need. General Patton knew how to take care of wimps, he put a gun to their head.

Nietzsche said the same exact thing.

That some people have high energy and drive, and others have low energy and little or no drive. This can be traced back to their families and in someways Nietzsche was right.

Some people love to be surrounded by action at all times, they constantly want stimulation. Others need quite to recharge as they can't stand the constant unnecessary activity.

The problem is Nietzsche for all his talk about conquering the world his biography didn't match is words. He ended up living on a small pension while he went insane in the care of this sister.

George Patton ended up dying in a jeep wreck where he broke his neck and ended up paralyzed from the neck down dying a few days later.

There is room for both types of people. You don't want guys going around kicking in teeth, these people are usually morons that get off controlling others. What you do want is people that can take care of themselves and keep their hands to themselves. Mind their own business. If they do that, then they have done all they needed to do.

We don't want a bunch of hero's that treat people like dog shit as they claim they're saving the world. Those sorts of cunts need to fuck off.

 

[z666z]

We can sum up drugs and why society has been brainwashed to despise them quite simply.

Soldiers march a straight line to their deaths when they are clean and sober(after they have received years of brainwashing).

Soldiers become free range, undisciplined, unruly, and most importantly they start questioning if being in the army was such a bright idea while under the influence.

Drugs alter the masses ability to cooperate with systems that don't benefit them. In other words they're less likely to drop pants and let someone stick their dick up their ass in order to get a paycheck.

 

[Ferret]

We can sum up drugs and why society has been brainwashed to despise them quite simply.

I don't do drugs, and I definitely don't follow anyone.

Soldiers march a straight line to their deaths when they are clean and sober(after they have received years of brainwashing).

Soldiers are stupid to begin with, don't blame it on a lack of drugs. Bright people don't join the military.

Soldiers become free range, undisciplined, unruly, and most importantly they start questioning if being in the army was such a bright idea while under the influence.

So do workers on drug, thats why so many of society dregs are unemployed and being taken care of by peoples tax $'s.

Drugs alter the masses ability to cooperate with systems that don't benefit them. In other words they're less likely to drop pants and let someone stick their dick up their ass in order to get a paycheck.

Yea, they are more likely to sit on their ass and do nothing productive.

 

[adamcarpenter]

You have piss poor genetics is the problem. Unfortunately we propagate weak people like you nowadays, and they go on to reproduce and make other weak people. Natural selection or Eugenics tends to take care of such weak links.

Childhood issues? My God, I never knew so many pussy's lifted weights.

they need their heads kicked in, is what they need. General Patton knew how to take care of wimps, he put a gun to their head.

That’s nonsense.

What does it take to make an exceptional horse? Or dog? Or daughter or son?

Proper training.

What does it take to make a temperamental horse, or dog, or daughter or son? Nothing. It’s the path of least resistance. It’s perfectly natural.

If in your worldview “everything is genetics”, your missing quite a lot of ingredients that make up life in earth.

It would be pretty stupid to call someone a pussy because they weren’t born knowing how to read. And you wouldn’t kick someone in the head to teach them would you?

 

[jJjburton]

You can still get prescribed opiates. I broke my collarbone and ribs October 2020. They prescribed me oxycodone for 8 weeks prior to surgery and then morphine after surgery.

I always tell them I'm allergic to acetaminophen. One time kaiser prescribed me vicoprofin which was pretty cool and rare.

Lol ill have to remember that

allergy to acetemphin lol

 

[jJjburton]

I don't do drugs, and I definitely don't follow anyone.

Soldiers are stupid to begin with, don't blame it on a lack of drugs. Bright people don't join the military.

So do workers on drug, thats why so many of society dregs are unemployed and being taken care of by peoples tax $'s.

Yea, they are more likely to sit on their ass and do nothing productive.

You know you take testosterone? Lol

so you do indeed take drugs.

 

[z666z]

I don't do drugs, and I definitely don't follow anyone.

So do workers on drug, thats why so many of society dregs are unemployed and being taken care of by peoples tax $'s.

Yea, they are more likely to sit on their ass and do nothing productive.

You've never tried any form of narcotic ever?

The employment problem in this country is much deeper than someone on drugs. It's said that about 70% of people don't like going to work. About 50% hate their jobs. About 60% of all jobs are what we call bullshit jobs, where there is no point in them even existing.

I've often compared going to work as that of a half way house. The purpose is so the government and society can keep tabs or records on you to make sure you're being an obedient well behaved slave.

If a person pays taxes and lets say 40% of their income ends up in the hands of the government that's about 36,000 hrs or 4500 days of work you gave to the government. That's what I call being a sucker, no matter what society thinks of those working or not.

A wise old man that I used to work with years ago told me if you want to save the world. Grab a lawn chair and watch the grass grow. This old mans favorite activity was laying in a kitty pool all day drinking beer, and for the record this man was a scientist.

Most of what we do is spinning our wheels needlessly, whatever you do, whatever you build it will be gone in a few hundred years and you will be completely forgotten.

It's been said that you can waste time at peace or stressed out, but no matter what you do you are wasting time, no matter what work, activity, or anything else you do.

 

[z666z]

You know you take testosterone? Lol

so you do indeed take drugs.

Performance enhancing drugs.

We're not in the narcotics camp even if the government would love to fool the public into thinking so.

 

[z666z]

That’s nonsense.

What does it take to make an exceptional horse? Or dog? Or daughter or son?

Proper training.

What does it take to make a temperamental horse, or dog, or daughter or son? Nothing. It’s the path of least resistance. It’s perfectly natural.

If in your worldview “everything is genetics”, your missing quite a lot of ingredients that make up life in earth.

It would be pretty stupid to call someone a pussy because they weren’t born knowing how to read. And you wouldn’t kick someone in the head to teach them would you?

The environment in which you raise kids has a huge impact on who they become.

Many people should never become parents. This is my problem with those on the Right Wing of politics. They view every child as a gift, without considering if they have moron parents that will mess everything up. Being a parent is serious business, arguably the most serious thing you can do in life.

There's a tendency for intelligent, calm parents to grow intelligent calm children. If you take this same kid and raise them in a chaotic home with abuse they can very easily end up ruined.

It's one of the tragedies of life being stuck with ill equipped parents as it can set off a lifetime of misery and repeat over and over with each generation.

I think it would be wise if we did have a system of eugenics where we sterilize people to keep them from having kids. Even though most people would consider this barbaric, the far worse thing is to bring another life into the world that will spend far more time suffering than enjoying the experience.

 

[Ferret]

That’s nonsense.

What does it take to make an exceptional horse? Or dog? Or daughter or son?

Wrong.. they breed long lines of animals for specific traits. Race horses come from exceptional lines usually.

Best indicator of being a retard, is to look at your parents.

You may not like the truth, but genetics rule.

Proper training.

What does it take to make a temperamental horse, or dog, or daughter or son? Nothing. It’s the path of least resistance. It’s perfectly natural.

If in your worldview “everything is genetics”, your missing quite a lot of ingredients that make up life in earth.

It would be pretty stupid to call someone a pussy because they weren’t born knowing how to read. And you wouldn’t kick someone in the head to teach them would you?

I've seen fucknuts given everything and they don't succeed. Are you saying you could take a retard to Harvard, and turn them into a Dr? Just based upon environment? NOPE

And I've seen people born in a war zone, with NOTHING but newspaper to keep them warm in the winter, lost both parents, and come to the USA and become Soldier of the year, and then onto become successful in business and own their own yacht.

Funny people can accept physical traits are genetic, because they can see them. But your little brains have a hard time accepting personality, IQ, motivation, etc is Genetic.

We need eugenics. The current system is favoring the retards, who get on welfare, and grow like weeds with the Governments help.

PS: Don't bother replying, I don't give a shit what you think.

 

[adamcarpenter]

Wrong.. they breed long lines of animals for specific traits. Race horses come from exceptional lines usually.

Best indicator of being a retard, is to look at your parents.

You may not like the truth, but genetics rule.


I've seen fucknuts given everything and they don't succeed. Are you saying you could take a retard to Harvard, and turn them into a Dr? Just based upon environment? NOPE

And I've seen people born in a war zone, with NOTHING but newspaper to keep them warm in the winter, lost both parents, and come to the USA and become Soldier of the year, and then onto become successful in business and own their own yacht.

Funny people can accept physical traits are genetic, because they can see them. But your little brains have a hard time accepting personality, IQ, motivation, etc is Genetic.

We need eugenics. The current system is favoring the retards, who get on welfare, and grow like weeds with the Governments help.

PS: Don't bother replying, I don't give a shit what you think.

You’ve got the reading comprehension of a cardboard box.

 

[z666z]

I've seen fucknuts given everything and they don't succeed. Are you saying you could take a retard to Harvard, and turn them into a Dr? Just based upon environment? NOPE

And I've seen people born in a war zone, with NOTHING but newspaper to keep them warm in the winter, lost both parents, and come to the USA and become Soldier of the year, and then onto become successful in business and own their own yacht.

Funny people can accept physical traits are genetic, because they can see them. But your little brains have a hard time accepting personality, IQ, motivation, etc is Genetic.

We need eugenics. The current system is favoring the retards, who get on welfare, and grow like weeds with the Governments help.

PS: Don't bother replying, I don't give a shit what you think.

For me eugenics is for another reason. It's not so you can "succeed" as that is somewhat limited point of view and evolution doesn't care about what you accomplish in a given civilization other than that you reproduce and pass on your genes.

The philosophy of anti-natalism or even further efilism(life spelled backwards) is about the best explanation of why you shouldn't have kids at all, because even those most brilliant people will end up suffering. In some ways the smarter you are the more you look around at how everything is fucked up. Granted we have a consumer culture ran by psychopaths and they are supposed to be our shinning examples of what we are to strive for, but not in my case as it's a road to nowhere.

The issue at hand is that we have become so consumer oriented that we have lost our place in the history of evolution.

We have only existed perhaps no more than 200,000 years and we will be gone eventually. What humans accomplish on this 4 billion year old rock is of no concern for the planet or universe. The end goal of everything is total annihilation as there will be absolutely nothing left even down to the quantum state, space will just be this empty cold nothing.

If you sit down and think about the history of time and before time, we could be talking about trillions of years that have gone by since we came into existence of universes popping into existence and going out of existence.

You if you are on top of the world and have great power, that doesn't mean shit as you will be shaken off like the millions of corpses that you walk beneath your feet. The question is how can you live a life of reasonable comfort and get by this life with the least amount of suffering. That might seem like a cop out, but any other purpose is just wasted effort as we are only here because a meteorite hit this planet and eliminated 99.999% of all previous life forms and favored small mammals that eventually became us.

We are accidents of biology and chemistry. DNA is just a dumb molecule doing experiments, tossing shit out to see what works. There is no goal to it other than survival. It doesn't care if you sweep the streets or wear a $10K suit and tie to work. The necessity of survival is exploitation and parasitical......life is all about what "I get", producing a brain that shouts "I want, I want, I want" for no good reason other than a DNA molecule that controls everything about you.

What we see is pretty in front of our eyes, but all you have to do is scratch the surface, put a little nick on the fancy paint job and you realize life is little more than fools gold.....I can't see how any intelligent self aware person couldn't see that we haven't been sold a huge pile of shit.

 

[Bottom_Feeder]

You can still get prescribed opiates. I broke my collarbone and ribs October 2020. They prescribed me oxycodone for 8 weeks prior to surgery and then morphine after surgery.

I always tell them I'm allergic to acetaminophen. One time kaiser prescribed me vicoprofin which was pretty cool and rare.

I broke my sternum to the 4th rib (displaced). Broke ribs R- 4,5,7,9; R-3,4,5 that were evident. Slight tear in sternal clavicular joint. Severe knee sprain. Dual partially collapsed lungs. Damaged long thoracic nerve, spinal accessory nerve, another within the brachial plexus (cannot remember) ulnar nerve. Lost most function of upper trap right, seratus anterior, some function mid trap. Lost 80% use of shoulder (currently 25-30%). A jaw sprain somehow (TMJ)? lower back... something? severe knee sprain. Couldn't walk, stand, sit, lay, talk, sleep, eat, cry. Lost about 45 lbs in 6-8 weeks. Was down to about 150-160 lbs, 5'11". Previously lean, I stayed around 8-10% bf. Still can't squat or lift shoulder above 95deg angle to body. Got skinny as fuck and completely atrophied across that side.

Got a enough 5/325 oxycodone for 19 days. If taken as prescribed came to 1 pill every 6 hours. Kept going in to multiple doctors and kept getting same response, won't refill, ibuprofen and acetaminophen will do. Was talked down to by multiple doctors making me feel like some sort of addict. I kept going to the er because they would give me a long lasting shot. So I could actually sleep and walk around with a cane. That been said fuck this entire healcare system we have in the USA. Fuck this entire opiate control that did nothing but drive oplates underground and make heroin attractive. Fuck the war on drugs

Allergic to acetaminophen is a good one btw

 

[Ferret]

For me eugenics is for another reason. It's not so you can "succeed" as that is somewhat limited point of view and evolution doesn't care about what you accomplish in a given civilization other than that you reproduce and pass on your genes.

The philosophy of anti-natalism or even further efilism(life spelled backwards) is about the best explanation of why you shouldn't have kids at all, because even those most brilliant people will end up suffering. In some ways the smarter you are the more you look around at how everything is fucked up. Granted we have a consumer culture ran by psychopaths and they are supposed to be our shinning examples of what we are to strive for, but not in my case as it's a road to nowhere.

The issue at hand is that we have become so consumer oriented that we have lost our place in the history of evolution.

We have only existed perhaps no more than 200,000 years and we will be gone eventually. What humans accomplish on this 4 billion year old rock is of no concern for the planet or universe. The end goal of everything is total annihilation as there will be absolutely nothing left even down to the quantum state, space will just be this empty cold nothing.

If you sit down and think about the history of time and before time, we could be talking about trillions of years that have gone by since we came into existence of universes popping into existence and going out of existence.

You if you are on top of the world and have great power, that doesn't mean shit as you will be shaken off like the millions of corpses that you walk beneath your feet. The question is how can you live a life of reasonable comfort and get by this life with the least amount of suffering. That might seem like a cop out, but any other purpose is just wasted effort as we are only here because a meteorite hit this planet and eliminated 99.999% of all previous life forms and favored small mammals that eventually became us.

We are accidents of biology and chemistry. DNA is just a dumb molecule doing experiments, tossing shit out to see what works. There is no goal to it other than survival. It doesn't care if you sweep the streets or wear a $10K suit and tie to work. The necessity of survival is exploitation and parasitical......life is all about what "I get", producing a brain that shouts "I want, I want, I want" for no good reason other than a DNA molecule that controls everything about you.

What we see is pretty in front of our eyes, but all you have to do is scratch the surface, put a little nick on the fancy paint job and you realize life is little more than fools gold.....I can't see how any intelligent self aware person couldn't see that we haven't been sold a huge pile of shit.

Jesus loves you HAHA. But no one else does!