Trw008
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You were suppose to say you we're sick and not respond for three days then say tomorrow you will give an answer.
Jk , props for quick issue resolution. What now is going to happen with all this mast that is off the shelf 'nomsayin
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You were suppose to say you we're sick and not respond for three days then say tomorrow you will give an answer.
Jk , props for quick issue resolution. What now is going to happen with all this mast that is off the shelf 'nomsayin
hotdog23
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Voltrader
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@Titanlabs Are you not at least labmaxing every batch of raws? This is the major concern here for me.
Unleashed
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Fire sale on Mast E/P real cheap!!
You know the answer to this question and it's a big fat resounding NO. He ofcourse will come here and say that they do, but that will also be a lie.
No one tests every batch, no one. Hopefully this will embarrass Titan into doing so.
Colt44
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Pretty sure it was rhetorical. I'd like to hear the excuse though.
See what had happened was....
See what had happened was....
vivame
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He won't say that he's labmaxing them, because he personally uses every product and can more accurately tell exactly what is in it.
agree 100%
Ozzy619
Well-known Member
He won't say that he's labmaxing them, because he personally uses every product and can more accurately tell exactly what is in it.
Regardless of using his own product it should still be labmaxed for quality control. Confusing one ester for another is a pretty big deal. You can only trust your supplier to a certain degree. Mistakes are bound to happen if there isn't a proper protocal set into place. That's why so many end users labmax their gear and why so many labs go under. No protocal means potential errors.
On that note, Im interested in what Titan has to say about this. I do think he is putting in an honest effort but I also want to see how this can be prevented in the future. Bump.
Beastmodenation1
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Alright guys, long day at work.
As far as the mast we do have, I am not going to sell anything that has compound identity being questioned. We will do further testing and I am trying to dig up some mass specs with friends since angus went under. If we cannot identify it with more certainty, then it will remain off our list.
As far as labmax, we have used it on some of our products but ran out of tests. I have used and tested my supplier many times so I did not have a reason to believe anything would be different this time. However, I realize that in this game nothing is ever certain until you test it.
This issue has made light of this and I am not going to provide any shitty excuses I do not have. We are here to provide good products and now we have one with an ambiguous identity. We will make it a point to implement higher quality control standards and lab max every product before sale. We are currently looking into higher standards of testing that we can feasibly get done with illegal products.
Furthermore, I have been using this mast prop for all of my contest prep. I don't care about mast E over mast P but test over mast would be a big fucking issue for me personally, and obviously everyone else.
I emailed my supplier and he said that I am an old client and he will always take care of me. He said he has never had an issue with the mast and assured me it was mast prop. No surprise there. He also offered to send me more samples for testing. If anyone has any testing resources, feel free to PM me.
A round of orders will go out tomorrow and I will send ship confirmations for those orders.
TL
As far as the mast we do have, I am not going to sell anything that has compound identity being questioned. We will do further testing and I am trying to dig up some mass specs with friends since angus went under. If we cannot identify it with more certainty, then it will remain off our list.
As far as labmax, we have used it on some of our products but ran out of tests. I have used and tested my supplier many times so I did not have a reason to believe anything would be different this time. However, I realize that in this game nothing is ever certain until you test it.
This issue has made light of this and I am not going to provide any shitty excuses I do not have. We are here to provide good products and now we have one with an ambiguous identity. We will make it a point to implement higher quality control standards and lab max every product before sale. We are currently looking into higher standards of testing that we can feasibly get done with illegal products.
Furthermore, I have been using this mast prop for all of my contest prep. I don't care about mast E over mast P but test over mast would be a big fucking issue for me personally, and obviously everyone else.
I emailed my supplier and he said that I am an old client and he will always take care of me. He said he has never had an issue with the mast and assured me it was mast prop. No surprise there. He also offered to send me more samples for testing. If anyone has any testing resources, feel free to PM me.
A round of orders will go out tomorrow and I will send ship confirmations for those orders.
TL
To add on, someone made a good point. Live and learn. Luckily this was not a major issue but made light of something that could become major. I trust my supplier enough to inject his products but the goal is to prevent things like this and continuously improve product control and quality.
We are and have been looking, like I said, for higher standards of testing besides lab max. We will update and keep you guys involved on the steps we are taking to further quality control.
***Also, I want to take the time to note that we will be changing payment options soon. We will be going more towards bitcoin and way from traditional methods of reload cards and money transfers although we are exploring how to keep options open for people. I will update on this throughout this week but I will say that we will be offering a discount across the board as an incentive for people to use bitcoin.
TL
We are and have been looking, like I said, for higher standards of testing besides lab max. We will update and keep you guys involved on the steps we are taking to further quality control.
***Also, I want to take the time to note that we will be changing payment options soon. We will be going more towards bitcoin and way from traditional methods of reload cards and money transfers although we are exploring how to keep options open for people. I will update on this throughout this week but I will say that we will be offering a discount across the board as an incentive for people to use bitcoin.
TL
johnnyBALLZ
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You don't care about mast e over mast p but if it was test I'd be a big fucking issue for you personally???
I'm sure the guys running short esters with you mast p that start pct a lot earlier than someone running long esters would certainly FUCKING CARE..
How many HTPAs you think you could fuck up since that's not a big deal for you? How many customers could you force into early TRT asshole?? How many dicks can you not make work naturally anymore??
You mislabel you're shit because you're too lazy/cheap to test? Fuck you, you're worse than a scammer.. You're carelessness can fuck people's lives up.. But hey, "you don't care", not a "big fucking deal"..
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I'll choose my words wisely here as I have already been accused of wanting to see Titan fail (not true as that would result in members getting burned), as well as been accused of stirring up trouble for Titan undeservedly.
So instead of saying anything, I'll simply ask a question.
With the poor quality of Mast raws floating around, and the affordability of labmax tests, is there any excuse for any source not to be testing their raws before brewing it up?
So instead of saying anything, I'll simply ask a question.
With the poor quality of Mast raws floating around, and the affordability of labmax tests, is there any excuse for any source not to be testing their raws before brewing it up?
vivame
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There shouldn't be, but logistically I think these may be some of the reasons why most don't:
- Ordering large quantities of tests for a continuous time could cause unwanted attention for the UGL.
- After a large amount of passes without any fails, it could seem to be an unnecessary and semi-tedious step.
- Once a good relationship with the raw source, (like in TL's case,) one would tend to take their word that the batch is the same as the last one they ordered or it was already tested; but of course it is possible, if not probable that they are getting their stuff from a 'trusted' source. And so on...
- At some point a lab may be out of tests and behind on orders and can't wait on the test to show up.
noah_k
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I'm behind on the Titan thread and it's late as hell, so this is only addressing @vivame 's comment in general - not titan's specific situation.
Labmax tests are cheap, quick, simple and come in a bulk kit. This isn't lab orchestrated purity reading, it's just a simple binary test.
You only need to test once per raw order and UGLs presumably brew in large batches using large raw quantities as opposed to ordering grams (and new batches) frequently.
Being ignorant to labmax is a valid excuse for sources not from these parts. Now, labs are informed about it right from the outset.
Not testing given the ease and simplicity (hell, we do it ourselves with the tiny end product) because of "trust" to your raw supplier is not only invalid, it ultimately results in users paying the price. Often. Everybody knows that game where a good supplier goes bad, and the source points the finger. There's gotta be some kind of quality assurance either from the raw supplier's test results or the brewer or both. A labmax test by users is just a safeguard, it should expect to pass always as it's been sent out.
If they've agreed to do otherwise, that is negligence. You don't sell what you can't test (or guarantee has been tested) or stock.
As I understand it, this is not in the SCOC (presumably because it "goes without saying" the label should match the product). Perhaps it should be explicitly added for unestablished sources.
Labmax tests are cheap, quick, simple and come in a bulk kit. This isn't lab orchestrated purity reading, it's just a simple binary test.
You only need to test once per raw order and UGLs presumably brew in large batches using large raw quantities as opposed to ordering grams (and new batches) frequently.
Being ignorant to labmax is a valid excuse for sources not from these parts. Now, labs are informed about it right from the outset.
Not testing given the ease and simplicity (hell, we do it ourselves with the tiny end product) because of "trust" to your raw supplier is not only invalid, it ultimately results in users paying the price. Often. Everybody knows that game where a good supplier goes bad, and the source points the finger. There's gotta be some kind of quality assurance either from the raw supplier's test results or the brewer or both. A labmax test by users is just a safeguard, it should expect to pass always as it's been sent out.
If they've agreed to do otherwise, that is negligence. You don't sell what you can't test (or guarantee has been tested) or stock.
As I understand it, this is not in the SCOC (presumably because it "goes without saying" the label should match the product). Perhaps it should be explicitly added for unestablished sources.
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Hey fellas, im at work n its slow goin so i figured id check out this thread. whenever i check out a new lab i check the. the injec list and it helps me gauge professionalusm,dedication and work ethic a little. i think on that note my biggest red flag with any ugl is when they only carry short estered tren snd mast. you get double the vials for the same price obviously, and it shows they are all about making money and don't worrry much about accomodating customers. its cheap and lazy, no long estered exotics or even hybrids which are relatively straightforward to make. if i was gonna open up a hobby source to score quick cash for a while that would be my list right there. i mught even throw in somed bold cyp or ace,provi and test suspension even though its a pain in the balls. but I'm just a natural hard worker. id probably engineer ann apparatus to heat up my toilet bowl for those big 1000ml test p batches..
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